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[quote=Ruhskins;1249774]But the team that is trading for Williams will care about this, which in turn could affect the trade. No team is going to be stupid enough to trade him for a year's worth play.

I really think teams need to realize they are no longer dealing with Bruce Allen, and should compensate the Redskins if they want Trent. And Trent needs to have reasonable expectations regarding his contract with his new team. I still think the Redskins should hold out until they get reasonable compensation for Trent.

Honestly, both Trent and whatever teams are interested in him are up against the clock here. And both of them need to budge if they want this trade to happen.[/quote]

Agree 100% reasonable compensation he is a 7x Pro Bowler they don't come cheap.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1249785]Bingo! How much time is there in the second round? ....not enough time to agree on a contract[/QUOTE]His agent should be having contract talks with the likely players so that it can be finalized if the Skins tell him they have a deal.

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Trent won’t be traded UNTIL the First Round of the Draft is OVER. There are about 4-5 excellent OT prospects that will go in the first round. Then the OT talent starts to drop off significantly. That’s when teams who DIDN’T get one of these first rounders, start to look at Trent.

Trent is a known quantity and worth far more that a second or lower draft pick, many of which will bust out. However, the Redskins ARE NOT going to get a second round pick. I think they will end up getting a third and a fourth rounder. Or maybe a third rounder and a depth player / project player that RR or Kyle Smith likes.

Bruce Allen left us with this crappy situation. We could have got a first round draft pick last year, if Allen had one decent NFL brain cell in his body. Instead he made this personal and RR is just trying to salvage something from this mess. I thought Trent might come back to the Redskin’s this season, but there’s too much bad blood, Trent’s salary expectations are too high and finally Rivera doesn’t want discontented players on this team. So we’ll get a third and maybe a fourth round pick, save some bucks on the cap and finally move on from this bad situation.

Thanks for nothing Bruce!


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[quote=Warthog;1249804]Trent won’t be traded UNTIL the First Round of the Draft is OVER. There are about 4-5 excellent OT prospects that will go in the first round. Then the OT talent starts to drop off significantly. That’s when teams who DIDN’T get one of these first rounders, start to look at Trent.

Trent is a known quantity and worth far more that a second or lower draft pick, many of which will bust out. However, the Redskins ARE NOT going to get a second round pick. I think they will end up getting a third and a fourth rounder. Or maybe a third rounder and a depth player / project player that RR or Kyle Smith likes.

[B]Bruce Allen left us with this crappy situation. We could have got a first round draft pick last year, if Allen had one decent NFL brain cell in his body. [/B]Instead he made this personal and RR is just trying to salvage something from this mess. I thought Trent might come back to the Redskin’s this season, but there’s too much bad blood, Trent’s salary expectations are too high and finally Rivera doesn’t want discontented players on this team. So we’ll get a third and maybe a fourth round pick, save some bucks on the cap and finally move on from this bad situation.

Thanks for nothing Bruce!


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So you would have rather seen a situation where Bruce Allen does the right thing, which may have led him sticking around with the team?

I know it sucks what Bruce did and he was horrendous. But IMO his botching of this situation was one of the reasons he finally got canned. In short, I don't see the reason to beat this dead horse.

And speaking of Bruce, Trent and his agent need to also realize that they are dealing with a new, and respected regime (RR) and that he's not going to win the PR battle. As I said before, instead of bitching to the press, his agent needs to convince interested teams to give the Redskins proper compensation. Otherwise, his ass is going to sit for the 2020 season.

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Per Josina Anderson tweet:

"Just asked a top player on a team that needs an OT --which tackle their team should draft on Thursday. He told me Trent Williams, in a little bit more colorful language though. Lol."

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1249816]Per Josina Anderson tweet:



"Just asked a top player on a team that needs an OT --which tackle their team should draft on Thursday. He told me Trent Williams, in a little bit more colorful language though. Lol."[/QUOTE]GMs won't tho

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249819]GMs won't tho

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Mr. Thunder stealer.

Good to know that he's still held in high regards.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1249808]So you would have rather seen a situation where Bruce Allen does the right thing, which may have led him sticking around with the team?

I know it sucks what Bruce did and he was horrendous. But IMO his botching of this situation was one of the reasons he finally got canned. In short, I don't see the reason to beat this dead horse.

And speaking of Bruce, Trent and his agent need to also realize that they are dealing with a new, and respected regime (RR) and that he's not going to win the PR battle. As I said before, instead of bitching to the press, his agent needs to convince interested teams to give the Redskins proper compensation. Otherwise, his ass is going to sit for the 2020 season.[/QUOTE]


I agree that the Trent Williams mishandling was ONE of the reasons that Bruce Allen was fired. But not the biggest one:

1. Redskins averaged 10 losses per season over his 10 years as GM/ VP!

2. No serious HC candidate, including Rivera, was going to EVEN INTERVIEW with Snyder, unless Bruce Allen was fired beforehand.

3. BA was widely considered one of the worst, if not, THE WORST GM in the NFL.

4. A USA Today poll of players and agents in 2017 or 2018 listed Bruce Allen as the most untrustworthy and worse GM to negotiate with in the NFL.

Not to be a wise guy but the four issues (listed above) with Bruce Allen are worth about 25,000 coffin nails in his Redskins career. And the Trent Williams saga and mismanagement was the final nail. Lol!


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[quote=Warthog;1249826]I agree that the Trent Williams mishandling was ONE of the reasons that Bruce Allen was fired. But not the biggest one:

1. Redskins averaged 10 losses per season over his 10 years as GM/ VP!

2. No serious HC candidate, including Rivera, was going to EVEN INTERVIEW with Snyder, unless Bruce Allen was fired beforehand.

3. BA was widely considered one of the worst, if not, THE WORST GM in the NFL.

4. A USA Today poll of players and agents in 2017 or 2018 listed Bruce Allen as the most untrustworthy and worse GM to negotiate with in the NFL.

Not to be a wise guy but the four issues (listed above) with Bruce Allen are worth about 25,000 coffin nails in his Redskins career. And the Trent Williams saga and mismanagement was the final nail. Lol!

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Getting rid of Williams is the last step to officially stepping into the future. Hopefully between the end of round 1 and the start of round 2, the trade is completed. I'm so disappointed in the whole situation. Trent is one of my favorite Redskins of all times. But him and his agent (the team, pre Rivera era, shares plenty of blame too) seem to be trying to make this end as shitty as possible. Once he's done playing, I still think he'll be one of my favorite players, but this ending sucks.

Petty side of me = Keep him unless we get a 1st or high 2nd, and if not, his ass can sit out another year, if he still won't play for us;
Reasonable side of me = If we can get any thing between the 2nd and 3rd, take it;
The over it side of me = Take any fucking pick we can get through the 5th round;
Every side of me = If we can't get a 5th, sorry Trent, you're sitting out or playing for us this year. Not just giving a hall of famer in your end of prime years.

I hope it ends somewhere between reasonable and over it.

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Minnesota seems interested, and I think there could be something with Cousins and Williams at play also. If they dangle Reiff or Harris (doubtful) that would be something worth monitoring. His new contract demands make this more challenging than it should be. Either way, just want it done. I will say this: the patience this franchise has exercised with Williams (for good and bad) has been incredible. They haven't given an inch. Amazing he still has strong value considering the mess the Skins and him have created.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1249829]Getting rid of Williams is the last step to officially stepping into the future. Hopefully between the end of round 1 and the start of round 2, the trade is completed. I'm so disappointed in the whole situation. Trent is one of my favorite Redskins of all times. But him and his agent (the team, pre Rivera era, shares plenty of blame too) seem to be trying to make this end as shitty as possible. Once he's done playing, I still think he'll be one of my favorite players, but this ending sucks.

Petty side of me = Keep him unless we get a 1st or high 2nd, and if not, his ass can sit out another year, if he still won't play for us;
Reasonable side of me = If we can get any thing between the 2nd and 3rd, take it;
The over it side of me = Take any fucking pick we can get through the 5th round;
Every side of me = If we can't get a 5th, sorry Trent, you're sitting out or playing for us this year. Not just giving a hall of famer in your end of prime years.

I hope it ends somewhere between reasonable and over it.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I agree. I really like Trent. The guy gave it his all when this team really sucked. He was a true hard-playing trooper and was well-liked and respected in the locker room, by the coaches and media. I’ve heard both sides of the story and tend to believe Trent more than Bruce Allen, because Allen was a disliked by everyone, not just TW. I believe Trent more than Bruce, but both of them are very tarnished by this event.

Allen never understood that you don’t have to be liked or loved as a GM, but if you’re not a total a-hole you can be respected. Allen was not liked, he did nothing good for Redskins football for a decade, he was petty and he subverted people’s careers he considered a threat. In the rarified world of the NFL, he was considered a poor manager. Since his removal, no sports media even wants to her his opinion. Fans in DC were ecstatic that he was fired. So good riddance to him.

I hope we can make this an amicable breakup between Trent and the team. We’re get a few draft picks and he will go to a new team. For one, I’m glad this I over, because this is just pure drag on this team. It’s just a bad distraction in a rebuilding year. Goodbye and good luck to Trent!


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[quote=Warthog;1249832]Yeah, I agree. I really like Trent. The guy gave it his all when this team really sucked. He was a true hard-playing trooper and was well-liked and respected in the locker room, by the coaches and media. I’ve heard both sides of the story and tend to believe Trent more than Bruce Allen, because Allen was a disliked by everyone, not just TW. I believe Trent more than Bruce, but both of them are very tarnished by this event.

[B]Allen never understood that you don’t have to be liked or loved as a GM, but if you’re not a total a-hole you can be respected.[/B]Allen was not liked, he did nothing good for Redskins football for a decade, he was petty and he subverted people’s careers he considered a threat. In the rarified world of the NFL, he was considered a poor manager. Since his removal, no sports media even wants to her his opinion. Fans in DC were ecstatic that he was fired. So good riddance to him.

I hope we can make this an amicable breakup between Trent and the team. We’re get a few draft picks and he will go to a new team. For one, I’m glad this I over, because this is just pure drag on this team. It’s just a bad distraction in a rebuilding year. Goodbye and good luck to Trent!

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In bold is so true. But he's gone. We're hours away from getting Chase with defensive minded coaches and other multiple 1st round picks in the front 7.

We have a solid draft this year we're a decent to solid team. Another solid draft/FA we're in the hunt.

Rivera is a great HC. We were very fortunate to land him. Kudos to Dan on that one. We can all shit on Dan, and it would be beyond warranted, but he got the right man for the job this time.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249833]In bold is so true. But he's gone. We're hours away from getting Chase with defensive minded coaches and other multiple 1st round picks in the front 7.

We have a solid draft this year we're a decent to solid team. Another solid draft/FA we're in the hunt.

Rivera is a great HC. We were very fortunate to land him. Kudos to Dan on that one. We can all shit on Dan, and it would be beyond warranted, but he got the right man for the job this time.[/quote]

Rivera is a slightly better than .500 head coach with a losing playoff record so I'm not sure great is the adjective I'd use to describe him. Time will tell if he's the right man for the job but as long as Snyder is in charge nothing will really change.

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JMO RR has learnt from his mistakes. Belichick's was not as good as RR at his first HC spot.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1249857]JMO RR has learnt from his mistakes. Belichick's was not as good as RR at his first HC spot.[/quote]

Belichick went 36-44 in four years with the Browns, with only one winning season.

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RR is the best all around coach we have had since Joe Gibbs 2. I believe he has the right mindset to work with, not against DS, and doesn't want power as much as he wants to win, so he can focus on winning during the season and simply offer guidance in the off-season. This year is a little different with the upheaval of the front office, but going forward, I think his goal is to build a solid foundation/core and then create sustainable success.

Can it happen under DS, no one knows, but imo RR is the right man to prove it can.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1249861]RR is the best all around coach we have had since Joe Gibbs 2. I believe he has the right mindset to work with, not against DS, and doesn't want power as much as he wants to win, so he can focus on winning during the season and simply offer guidance in the off-season. This year is a little different with the upheaval of the front office, but going forward, I think his goal is to build a solid foundation/core and then create sustainable success.

Can it happen under DS, no one knows, but imo RR is the right man to prove it can.[/quote]

Shanahan > Rivera

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1249864]Shanahan > Rivera[/quote]

Shanahan was a better pure coach but he was more power focused. My point was to be a successful coach with the Redskins you can't want all the power, which Shanahan did, because it will end in chaos. Joe Gibbs understood that and was content to work within the constraints of DS' personality and quirks (putting it nicely). Rivera seems like the same personality as Joe Gibbs. He has a fire and passion, but it's solely focused on winning, not who gets the credit. So I expect his run here to be less chaotic, less divisive, and more productive than Shanahan's.

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Speaking of Bruce, has any media outlet even talked to the guy? Has anyone heard a peep out of him? It's like when Vinny left you knew no one would ever hire him to be in their front office. It's the same thing w/ Bruce. He's done in the NFL.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1249861]RR is the best all around coach we have had since Joe Gibbs 2. I believe he has the right mindset to work with, not against DS, and doesn't want power as much as he wants to win, so he can focus on winning during the season and simply offer guidance in the off-season. This year is a little different with the upheaval of the front office, but going forward, I think his goal is to build a solid foundation/core and then create sustainable success.

Can it happen under DS, no one knows, but imo RR is the right man to prove it can.[/quote]

I agree with all this. RR appears to be the right guy among the available candidates and we are lucky to have gotten him imo. And I was def a Shanahans > Snyder/rg3 fan

We’ll see, it’s the honeymoon but 6-10 is def on the table for year 1. Year 2? It has to be 8-8 or 9-8 if they add that extra game

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RR is absolutely the best coach we have had since Joe Gibbs ! This team was a dumpster fire .. we all said worse in the league .. so to get Ron to coach was indeed a great move .. not sure we could have done any better. I’m super excited about the draft and the next season .. I have realistic expectations and looking at the long term plan

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I am not ready to jump on to the "RR is our saviour" train.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249883]I am not ready to jump on to the "RR is our saviour" train.[/quote]

Nor am I. But I’m riding the “he was the best available option at the movement” train.

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[quote=sunnyside;1249884]nor am i. But i’m riding the “he was the best available option at the movement” train.[/quote]


facts

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Per ESPN Trent to Cleveland " close"........working on a contract?

[B]ESPN Update ....trade to Cleveland "on the table"[/B]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1249890]Per ESPN Trent to Cleveland " close"........working on a contract?

[B]ESPN Update ....trade to Cleveland "on the table"[/B][/quote]



Please please please PLEASE be true ....

Solves two problems for me ..

As a Skins fan -- this would finally give us resolution to the Trent Williams nightmare

As a Louisville Cards fan -- it would seemingly take Mehki Becton to Cleveland at the 10th pick off the table. The only thing worse would be if he winds up on the Cowboys.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1249865]Shanahan was a better pure coach but he was more power focused. My point was to be a successful coach with the Redskins you can't want all the power, which Shanahan did, because it will end in chaos. Joe Gibbs understood that and was content to work within the constraints of DS' personality and quirks (putting it nicely). Rivera seems like the same personality as Joe Gibbs. He has a fire and passion, but it's solely focused on winning, not who gets the credit. So I expect his run here to be less chaotic, less divisive, and more productive than Shanahan's.[/QUOTE]


What is the difference between Shanahan wanting “all the power” and the current “coach-centric” structure with Rivera having all the power. It’s the same thing.

The fact that things were divisive and chaotic here under shanahan had nothing to do with shanahan and everything to do with bruce Allen and a Diva QB - two proven failures who undermined the coach at every opportunity.


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1249897]What is the difference between Shanahan wanting “all the power” and the current “coach-centric” structure with Rivera having all the power. It’s the same thing.

The fact that things were divisive and chaotic here under shanahan had nothing to do with shanahan and everything to do with bruce Allen and a Diva QB - two proven failures who undermined the coach at every opportunity.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]There is a huge difference from Shanny's approach and RRs at least in this miniscule time slice we have. I am making judgements off what i perceive their individual temperaments are and what I perceive as their interaction with DS. I do agree BA being gone makes RRs situation seemingly better, but even without BA I believe Shanny and Danny would have imploded. I don't see that same personality friction at play with RR.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1249890]Per ESPN Trent to Cleveland " close"........working on a contract?



[B]ESPN Update ....trade to Cleveland "on the table"[/B][/QUOTE]I hope hope hope this happens AND WE GET DECENT compensation. Doesn't have to be great but something better than a ham sandwich

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[quote=Irrefutable;1249890]Per ESPN Trent to Cleveland " close"........working on a contract?

[B]ESPN Update ....trade to Cleveland "on the table"[/B][/quote]

Odell was in the conversation per Rap but could have been just talks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249900]Odell was in the conversation per Rap but could have been just talks[/quote]

Fuck Odell!! Plus he’s Trent’s buddy.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1249903]Fuck Odell!! Plus he’s Trent’s buddy.[/QUOTE]TBH I'd take him with Rivera

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[quote=SunnySide;1249884]Nor am I. But I’m riding the “he was the best available option at the movement” train.[/quote]

Agree. He was the best the Skins could do at the time. He was a decent coach who was never able to get a talented Carolina team over the top. Hopefully he can get the Skins back to competitive.

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Not sure how much of a difference it makes but we should also bear in mind that he had a GM over him in Carolina , first Dave Gettlemen then a guy who has let their roster degrade somewhat.... if RR is choosing his guys here it should be different, for better or worse

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[quote=irish;1249912]Agree. He was the best the Skins could do at the time. He was a decent coach who was never able to get a talented Carolina team over the top. Hopefully he can get the Skins back to competitive.[/quote]

3 straight division champs and a SB appearance with a 15-1 record, I think we'd all take that

I think he's better than decent, he's a quality coach

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[quote=MTK;1249923]3 straight division champs and a SB appearance with a 15-1 record, I think we'd all take that

I think he's better than decent, he's a quality coach[/quote]

people forget how good those Panthers teams were.. On O and D

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249925]people forget how good those Panthers teams were.. On O and D[/quote]

Cam Newton was the Kryptonite.

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Keim - The Bucs offered OJ Howard for Trent 2 months ago and it was turned down"

EDIT: Trent needs to pass a physical and that was the hangup

WTF

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249927]Keim - The Bucs offered OJ Howard for Trent 2 months ago and it was turned down"

WTF[/quote]

It should have been turned down. OJH isn't nearly equivalent value for TW. Also, it is very doubtful that he would have been the answer for us at TE based on his ho-hum NFL performance so far.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249927]Keim - The Bucs offered OJ Howard for Trent 2 months ago and it was turned down"

WTF[/quote]

When did he say that, I haven't seen that tweet in his timeline?