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If the best we can do is Carr, that's not a bad thing. He's put up some very [URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDe02.htm"]productive seasons[/URL]. He can give you B level QB play and with this defense that could take us pretty far.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276447]Just curious, how long do you give the drafted qb to develop. And if he fails?

You do realize that even befoee the DAN took over the team this organization has never developed a qb effectively. I dont know why but holding out hope they can finally do that borders on insanity.

Heath Schuler is asking for his football career back

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We drafted Kirk Cousins effectively.

Also a drafted qb would get about 3 years, maybe less if he's too immature to put in the work.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1276437]The 49ers gave a 2nd for Jimmy G. who is much better than Carr, trust me Carr is a choker.[/quote]

Jimmy G sucks

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[quote=rocnrik;1276438]Darnold, Carr,Wentz,Minshew, Winston ... which one of these would you pick ?[/quote]

Darnold, still on his rookie contract and was in a crap situation with the Jets. You could all so afford to draft one and groom to your liking.

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[quote=MTK;1276469]If the best we can do is Carr, that's not a bad thing. He's put up some very [URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDe02.htm"]productive seasons[/URL]. He can give you B level QB play and with this defense that could take us pretty far.[/quote]

The window is opening, but we shouldn’t be irrational in getting a QB. Yes poor front office QB decisions lead us here, making another poor one does not help.

So here would be my perimeters in a trade...

1. Derek Carr does not get an extension. He is under contract at 20 mill for both 2021 and 2022...let him play it out and as we get to see if he is a fit. Do not Alex Smith where we are still reeling from an already poor trade.

2. Under no circumstances do you give A first round pick for Carr. He isn’t worth it.

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[quote=mooby;1276470]We drafted Kirk Cousins effectively.

Also a drafted qb would get about 3 years, maybe less if he's too immature to put in the work.[/quote]

How would Kirk have done without RGIII in front of him, would not sitting have hurt or helped him?

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[QUOTE=mooby;1276470]We drafted Kirk Cousins effectively.



Also a drafted qb would get about 3 years, maybe less if he's too immature to put in the work.[/QUOTE]We drafted KC as an afterthought and he is still a divisive topic. But the vikings after 3 years with KC finished with the same record as us with 4 qb's.

But let's play out the draft a qb scenario:
So we draft a qb or two this year. We give him 3 years. Meanwhile our awesome dline gets older and we let 2 go due to contract. And at the end of 3 years we realize we still suck at selecting qbs and have zero to show for our dline.

That is as likely a scenario as our FO hitting on a qb not picked in the top10. And if we are trading to get into the top 10, I am just as content trading for a qb with known NFL ability that our coaching staff thinks they can succeed with.

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[quote=Chico23231;1276476]The window is opening, but we shouldn’t be irrational in getting a QB. Yes poor front office QB decisions lead us here, making another poor one does not help.

So here would be my perimeters in a trade...

1. Derek Carr does not get an extension. He is under contract at 20 mill for both 2021 and 2022...let him play it out and as we get to see if he is a fit. Do not Alex Smith where we are still reeling from an already poor trade.

2. Under no circumstances do you give A first round pick for Carr. He isn’t worth it.[/quote]

1. I wouldn't give him an extension right away either.

2. Someone would give up a first for him no question.

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Who would give up a first? Indy? What’s our competition for Carr?

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1276438]Darnold, Carr,Wentz,Minshew, Winston ... which one of these would you pick ?[/QUOTE]



The one i can try for a year and get rid of if he doesn’t pan out that doesn’t really cost us much. Wentz still intrigues me even though he had such an awful year.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1276481]Who would give up a first? Indy? What’s our competition for Carr?[/QUOTE]



Indy. Chicago? SF? New England?
Any other team that needs a quarterback is in good position in the draft.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1276353]“I’ve heard Washington and their brain trust love Justin Fields... I’ve heard he’s a leader and a high character kid.”

From Kevin Sheehan[/quote]

Woof.

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Falcons announced they're keeping Matt Ryan another year.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1276490]Falcons announced they're keeping Matt Ryan another year.[/quote]

Cap hit is too big to let him go, something like $49M

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1276474]Jimmy G sucks[/quote]

Carr is a choker, I’ve watched plenty of Raiders games, they want two 1st which they would turn around use them to try to trade for Watson. There’s a reason why the raiders want to move from Carr.

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With our really impactful FA upgrades dwindling, I stick to my statements that our best route is to retain Alex Smith as the starter, who can only get stronger physically with another full offeseason, and roll with him as a mentor to a draft pick that will either take over later in 2021 when ready, or keep watching as Alex takes us to the playoffs again.

Carr and Wentz will cost too much for not enough of an upgrade. Darnold, Minshew, Mariota, Garappolo...nothing special with no track record of sucess. Smith and a early-round QB are the better route if we can't land a true franchise QB like Rodgers, Stafford or Watson, which we won't at this point..

And upgrade around whomever the QB will be...WR, O-Line and fill the few holes on D like LB.

I honestly think the secondary we were concerned about coming into last season really showed to be a strength. Fuller and Darby played great, Curl and a healthy Collins will be a good combo that we need to get on the field at the same time. Moreland and Everett made some plays too. Sure it could use upgrades, but it's not dire like it used to be. Aside from LB, we can and should concentrate on offensive upgrades.

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Odds for next season

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Hilarious that Dallas is at 11 and Philly 19. What disrespect to the WFT and NYG.

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Dallas ranked 11th shows that's a joke. Worst D in the league, no idea who the QB will be yet, and one of the worst salary cap situations in the NFL.

Texans, Eagles, Panthers, Bears, Vikings, Raiders, Giants, or Cowboys all have no reason to be ranked ahead of us.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276508]Hilarious that Dallas is at 11 and Philly 19. What disrespect to the WFT and NYG.[/quote]

Beat me to it, nether can win it's own division yet you have them placed higher than the team that did, it's stupid.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1276509]Dallas ranked 11th shows that's a joke. Worst D in the league, no idea who the QB will be yet, and one of the worst salary cap situations in the NFL.

Texans, Eagles, Panthers, Bears, Vikings, Raiders, Giants, or Cowboys all have no reason to be ranked ahead of us.[/quote]

I agree.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276508]Hilarious that Dallas is at 11 and Philly 19. What disrespect to the WFT and NYG.[/quote]

The love for Dallas is just unreal

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Dallas always overhyped. Always.

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[quote=MTK;1276514]Dallas always overhyped. Always.[/quote]

Isn’t this year like the 14th straight year they’ve won the Super Bowl??....oh wait....

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1276495]Carr is a choker, I’ve watched plenty of Raiders games, they want two 1st which they would turn around use them to try to trade for Watson. There’s a reason why the raiders want to move from Carr.[/quote]

Are you under the impression that Raiders games haven't been broadcast outside of the Bay area?

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Seeing a lot of reports that the Raiders want 2 First-Round picks for Carr.

No way.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1276525]Seeing a lot of reports that the Raiders want 2 First-Round picks for Carr.

No way.[/quote]

not a chance in hell. It's becuz stafford set the market now everyone thinks they can take advantage of that.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1276525]Seeing a lot of reports that the Raiders want 2 First-Round picks for Carr.

No way.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not sure they'll get that. While there are several teams that will have new QBs next year, I think the bulk of them will get their new QBs in the draft or via free agency. Aside from Deshaun, I don't see any other potential QB trade targets that are going to get at least two 1sts.

While I'd rather they fill the QB need via free agency, I wouldn't be too upset if WFT gave up #19 for Carr, but definitely not two 1sts.

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[quote=GridIron26;1276468]Yeah I'm in the same boat, I wouldn't oppose to trading for Carr as long as we are not giving up our 1st round pick.[/quote]

Supposedly, the Raiders want two first round picks for Carr. Hell no!

EDIT: I just noticed a couple posters above mentioned the Raiders wanting two first rounders for Carr.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/joe-theismann-trading-chase-young-picks-deshaun-watson-really-stupid[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1276510]Beat me to it, nether can win it's own division yet you have them placed higher than the team that did, it's stupid.[/quote]

Maybe but Vegas doesn't make stupid mistakes the betting public does. They know where money will go.

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Raiders haven't said anything about trading Carr. The 2 x 1st thing is press speculation. Even if they do move him, I wouldn't expect more than a 1st and even then that's a push.

The more I think about it, and see the costs associated (picks and contract) with trading for someone else's current starter, the more I'm coming back to bringing in someone like Fitz and drafting a QB. If Smith does try to go another season and doesn't retire/get cut, then maybe we can go with him early in the season, but I'd then expect a draftee to be taking over at some point.

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Smith won't be back.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1276524]Are you under the impression that Raiders games haven't been broadcast outside of the Bay area?[/quote]

Have you watched every game or just a few here and there?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1276532]Maybe but Vegas doesn't make stupid mistakes the betting public does. They know where money will go.[/quote]


Oh really? Lets look at last year's Vegas predictions:

2020 Super Bowl odds to win:

New England Patriots 7-1
Kansas City Chiefs 8-1
New Orleans Saints 9-1
Los Angeles Rams 11-1
Philadelphia Eagles 14-1
Los Angeles Chargers 15-1
Cleveland Browns 15-1
Chicago Bears 19-1
Green Bay Packers 19-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 19-1
Dallas Cowboys 25-1
Minnesota Vikings 30-1
Houston Texans 30-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 31-1
Seattle Seahawks 32-1
Atlanta Falcons 32-1
Baltimore Ravens 32-1
San Francisco 49ers 36-1
Tennessee Titans 40-1
Carolina Panthers 50-1
Indianapolis Colts 60-1
New York Jets 60-1
Denver Broncos 70-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 70-1
Buffalo Bills 80-1
New York Giants 80-1
Detroit Lions 80-1
Oakland Raiders 100-1
Washington Redskins 100-1
Arizona Cardinals 110-1
Cincinnati Bengals 150-1
Miami Dolphins 170-1


2019:

Tm Super Bowl Odds W/L O-U Record
▼
Baltimore Ravens +4000 8.5 14-2 (over)
San Francisco 49ers +4000 8.0 13-3 (over)
Green Bay Packers +2000 9.0 13-3 (over)
New Orleans Saints +1000 10.5 13-3 (over)
Kansas City Chiefs +600 10.5 12-4 (over)
New England Patriots +400 11.5 12-4 (over)
Seattle Seahawks +2000 9.0 11-5 (over)
Buffalo Bills +10000 7.0 10-6 (over)
Houston Texans +5000 8.5 10-6 (over)
Minnesota Vikings +2000 9.0 10-6 (over)
Tennessee Titans +8000 8.0 9-7 (over)
Los Angeles Rams +1400 10.5 9-7 (under)
Philadelphia Eagles +1200 10.0 9-7 (under)
Dallas Cowboys +2000 9.0 8-8 (under)
Pittsburgh Steelers +1800 9.5 8-8 (under)
Chicago Bears +1200 9.0 8-8 (under)
Oakland Raiders +20000 6.0 7-9 (over)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers +10000 6.5 7-9 (over)
Denver Broncos +8000 7.0 7-9 (push)
Indianapolis Colts +8000 7.5 7-9 (under)
New York Jets +6000 7.5 7-9 (under)
Atlanta Falcons +3000 8.5 7-9 (under)
Jacksonville Jaguars +2500 8.0 6-10 (under)
Cleveland Browns +2000 9.0 6-10 (under)
Arizona Cardinals +30000 5.0 5-10-1 (push)
Miami Dolphins +50000 4.5 5-11 (over)
Carolina Panthers +5000 8.0 5-11 (under)
Los Angeles Chargers +2000 10.0 5-11 (under)
New York Giants +20000 6.0 4-12 (under)
Detroit Lions +8000 6.5 3-12-1 (under)
Washington Redskins +30000 6.0 3-13 (under)
Cincinnati Bengals +20000 6.0 2-14 (under)

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1276540]Have you watched every game or just a few here and there?[/quote]

Just a few here and there.

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Odds are not predictions in the true sense.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1276532]Maybe but Vegas doesn't make stupid mistakes the betting public does. They know where money will go.[/quote]

I disagree , they think they can make the betting public do what it is they want them to do.

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Rivera said that the [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-says-washington-not-hurry-find-franchise-qb"]team is not going to force themselves to find a QB this offseason[/URL], which is a relief to me. Yes we now have an opportunity to become a team that has great opportunity to enter playoffs and possibly SB but we need to be careful to not mortgage our future for a short-term goal.

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I think Ron has shown he likes to be aggressive but he also has a limit. They went big on Stafford and Cooper but ended up losing out once the stakes got too high. I'm perfectly fine with that approach.

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[quote=GridIron26;1276547]Rivera said that the [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-says-washington-not-hurry-find-franchise-qb"]team is not going to force themselves to find a QB this offseason[/URL], which is a relief to me. Yes we now have an opportunity to become a team that has great opportunity to enter playoffs and possibly SB but we need to be careful to not mortgage our future for a short-term goal.[/quote]

Good to hear