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Good we need payne back next yr. Draft another DT this yr

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Let's not forget about Mathis coming back this year

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1338638]If they can get a 1st or high 2nd, I would, then draft his replacement.[/quote]

They did that with Phildrian Mathis

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They picked up Ridgeway as well. I think I would still rather try to trade Payne. Use that $19 mil for more pressing needs like the O-line and back 7 of the D, AND pick up another draft pick or two.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338647]They picked up Ridgeway as well. I think I would still rather try to trade Payne. Use that $19 mil for more pressing needs like the O-line and back 7 of the D, AND pick up another draft pick or two.[/quote]

Right between him and last years DL pic (Mathis) they should be able to fill the Payne hole; we are too rich in DL and poor in other areas. Need to spread the wealth

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Yet another typical couple days of being a Washington fan:

Saturday - Bezos not allowed to bid on Commanders

Monday - Washington Post: Dan Snyder and his attorneys demand that fellow NFL franchise owners/league "indemnify him against future legal liability and costs if he sells the team."

Tuesday early AM - Franchise tag placed on Daron Payne

Tuesday morning - ESPN: Disputed $55M loan at center of probe into Commanders


Credit to Ben Standig


Is it any wonder why the DC fan base has mostly left? I was sick of this shit 15 years ago…we still dealing with it

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[quote=Chico23231;1338652]Yet another typical couple days of being a Washington fan:

Saturday - Bezos not allowed to bid on Commanders

Monday - Washington Post: Dan Snyder and his attorneys demand that fellow NFL franchise owners/league "indemnify him against future legal liability and costs if he sells the team."

Tuesday early AM - Franchise tag placed on Daron Payne

Tuesday morning - ESPN: Disputed $55M loan at center of probe into Commanders


Credit to Ben Standig


Is it any wonder why the DC fan base has mostly left? I was sick of this shit 15 years ago…we still dealing with it[/quote]

Bout sums it up. Hard to keep up with 15 years of scandals and weak ass football. I literally can't believe Goodell and the other owners have protected him this long.

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[quote=Chico23231;1338652]Yet another typical couple days of being a Washington fan:

Saturday - Bezos not allowed to bid on Commanders

Monday - Washington Post: Dan Snyder and his attorneys demand that fellow NFL franchise owners/league "indemnify him against future legal liability and costs if he sells the team."

Tuesday early AM - Franchise tag placed on Daron Payne

Tuesday morning - ESPN: Disputed $55M loan at center of probe into Commanders


Credit to Ben Standig


Is it any wonder why the DC fan base has mostly left? I was sick of this shit 15 years ago…we still dealing with it[/quote]

Now you can add this: Tuesday afternoon - Rivera backtracked and said Howell isn't our starter.

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[quote=GridIron26;1338667]Now you can add this: Tuesday afternoon - Rivera backtracked and said Howell isn't our starter.[/quote]

I don't have any problem with his statement:

“He’s not our starter. He’s coming in as QB1 and he’ll get a chance to be the starter.”

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1338668]I don't have any problem with his statement:

“He’s not our starter. He’s coming in as QB1 and he’ll get a chance to be the starter.”[/quote]

That's what he's said from the start.

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Can't just anoint him.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338671]Can't just anoint him.[/quote]

I disagree. As a big fan of anointing people, I think Howell should be next in line. Did you see that dub against the Cowboys? Christ on a cracker what a performance. It wasn't even close! Who was the last Manders starter to beat the Cowboys by 3 scores? Crown his ass Ron.

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QB1 and starter aren't the same?

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[quote=GridIron26;1338667]Now you can add this: Tuesday afternoon - Rivera backtracked and said Howell isn't our starter.[/quote]

This is a nothing-burger and it is just coach-speak.

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[quote=GridIron26;1338674]QB1 and starter aren't the same?[/quote]

He's QB1 by default for now

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Not surprised, Ron has to win asap and SH has played 1 game. I wonder who they will bring in to compete


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It would be dereliction to say he's the starter. He's QB1 right now because he's the only QB. He will have one - maybe two other QBs to compete with, and he will have to win that competition to be named the starter.

Most of us hope he does because if he doesn't, then we are likely right back where we started.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1338674]QB1 and starter aren't the same?[/QUOTE]


Not really. QB -1 in February, before free agency, the draft, and camp even begin is nothing more than a designation. Week one starter wont be named until August.
It is Sams job to lose, but he could lose it.

Still an advantage for Sam. Would have to really be outplayed to lose the job.

If Richardson looks good throwing the ball at the combine alot of eyes are going to be on him, including our staff. Im rooting for Sam because of what Chief alluded to. It is just a pick we can use elsewhere if he balls out but I want the best possible quarterback out there week 1 and if Richardson looks great during all this hoopla and is there at 16 decisions would have to be made. Nothing wrong with having two good young quarterbacks on board.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1338678]Not surprised, Ron has to win asap and SH has played 1 game. I wonder who they will bring in to compete


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Wentz is available…..

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We now have over 27% of the cap going to the D line. It will be over 30 if they exercise Young's 5th year option.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1338683]Not really. QB -1 in February, before free agency, the draft, and camp even begin is nothing more than a designation. Week one starter wont be named until August.
It is Sams job to lose, but he could lose it.

Still an advantage for Sam. Would have to really be outplayed to lose the job.

If Richardson looks good throwing the ball at the combine alot of eyes are going to be on him, including our staff. Im rooting for Sam because of what Chief alluded to. It is just a pick we can use elsewhere if he balls out but I want the best possible quarterback out there week 1 and if Richardson looks great during all this hoopla and is there at 16 decisions would have to be made. Nothing wrong with having two good young quarterbacks on board.[/QUOTE]


Richardson is nowhere near ready to play NFL. We have to accept the fact that there is a small chance of drafting a rookie QB who can start this year. We aren’t in the position to draft the top QB in the draft and this year’s QB class isn’t exactly strong. If we are drafting for long term plans then I can understand the idea of drafting a rookie QB such as Richardson, but Rivera isn’t in the position to do that. He has to prove himself to the new owner, especially when he had mediocre seasons in the last 3 years.

The only FA QB I would start over Howell is Garoppolo. If we can sign him then great, we have a new starter. If we could trade for Rodgers, then we have a new QB (I don’t like this idea but I can see Rivera going for it). If not one of those twos, it’s Howell. There is no other better option. Simple as that.

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[quote=MTK;1338669]That's what he's said from the start.[/quote]

I mean I think it's a fair take on every position on every team, but it's definitely a reasonable position for a 2nd year guy, with 1 start.

As a Howell sunshine pumper, I still never felt differently. I just don't want to trade away picks to try to upgrade. Sign a couple guys, draft a couple guys, or 1 of each, and let all 3 compete.

I think he's good enough, that you can bring in competition thru FA and the draft, without losing picks. And he will beat those guys out.

Basically, next year, I think Howell will be a top 20 NFL QB. That's an improvement over 2022, and he will only get better, with still 2 more rookie year costs after 2023.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1338690]I mean I think it's a fair take on every position on every team, but it's definitely a reasonable position for a 2nd year guy, with 1 start.

As a Howell sunshine pumper, I still never felt differently. I just don't want to trade away picks to try to upgrade. Sign a couple guys, draft a couple guys, or 1 of each, and let all 3 compete.

I think he's good enough, that you can bring in competition thru FA and the draft, without losing picks. And he will beat those guys out.

Basically, next year, I think Howell will be a top 20 NFL QB. That's an improvement over 2022, and he will only get better, with still 2 more rookie year costs after 2023.[/quote]


I agree with this

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[quote=punch it in;1338684]Wentz is available…..[/quote]

I hope Wentz catches on somewhere. Obvious choice is Carolina. The hit job done on him by Indy was wrong. Wentz is a good guy and all, he just can't play QB very well and is probably best suited as a back-up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1338693]I hope Wentz catches on somewhere. Obvious choice is Carolina. The hit job done on him by Indy was wrong. Wentz is a good guy and all, he just can't play QB very well and is probably best suited as a back-up.[/quote]

If he wants to continue as a strictly back-up QB, he will definitely be able to play somewhere. I don't think he's a top 32 QB, but he's a top 64 QB.

He's made a ton of coin tho. If I was in his shoes, I'd retire. I think we just paid him like 28 million for 1 year. Say taxes are half. You put that 14 million in a basic savings account, you're Gucci forever. That doesn't even take into account all the money he made before 2022.

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Wentz could be done, if Reich doesn't want him I don't see who else will

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[quote=MTK;1338706]Wentz could be done, if Reich doesn't want him I don't see who else will[/quote]

He needs to be

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[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/2/28/23618662/the-washington-commanders-announce-several-coaching-changes-nfl"]Commanders announce several coaching changes[/URL]

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@granthpaulsen
Sources: Bobby Engram is being hired as the Commanders’ WRs coach.

Eric Bieniemy makes an important hire to his developing staff. Engram was a good NFL player before getting into coaching. He previously coached WRs and TEs in Baltimore and was on Wisconsin’s staff last year.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338685]We now have over 27% of the cap going to the D line. It will be over 30 if they exercise Young's 5th year option.[/quote]

The Dline is our team identity right now and where the talent is, I don’t mind it.

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[quote=MTK;1339034]@granthpaulsen
Sources: Bobby Engram is being hired as the Commanders’ WRs coach.

Eric Bieniemy makes an important hire to his developing staff. Engram was a good NFL player before getting into coaching. He previously coached WRs and TEs in Baltimore and was on Wisconsin’s staff last year.[/quote]

That name takes me back to my younger days. I like former NFL players as position coaches.

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[quote=Chico23231;1339037]The Dline is our team identity right now and where the talent is, I don’t mind it.[/quote]

I don't mind the D-line being the strength of the team, but as is, it doesn't allow a lot of resources to be invested in other important units, such as the O-line, which arguably cost this team several wins last year. If you can't score, it doesn't matter how great your D-line is.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1339039]That name takes me back to my younger days. I like former NFL players as position coaches.[/QUOTE]


I hate that in your younger days I was already a gray haired middle aged dude with a gut.

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[quote=punch it in;1339057]I hate that in your younger days I was already a gray haired middle aged dude with a gut.[/quote]

I got 40 coming up hot as fuck in June.

I was 27 when he retired, so not really that young, but a lot younger than I am now lol.

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Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter
Coach Ron Rivera met with John Matsko this morning and informed him the team is moving in a different direction with the OL coaching job, source confirmed

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339430]Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter
Coach Ron Rivera met with John Matsko this morning and informed him the team is moving in a different direction with the OL coaching job, source confirmed[/quote]

Likely an EB driven move

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339430]Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter
Coach Ron Rivera met with John Matsko this morning and informed him the team is moving in a different direction with the OL coaching job, source confirmed[/quote]

Wow. Little surprised

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Washington released RB JD McKissic and tendered a qualifying offer to S Jeremy Reaves. Both moves have been expected tho ideally they’d like to sign Reaves to a multi-year deal. Team announced the moves.

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[quote=Chico23231;1339448]Washington released RB JD McKissic and tendered a qualifying offer to S Jeremy Reaves. Both moves have been expected tho ideally they’d like to sign Reaves to a multi-year deal. Team announced the moves.[/quote]

Same about McKissic's injuries because when healthy....

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Damn, McKissic ditches the Bills to come back to us. Then we cut his ass the next year. The business of football gives zero fucks.