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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1357645]There have been a LOT of Total BUST with top QB picks .. I'm not even sure if it's 50/50 . Remember "Someone"thought Lance was the Guy in San Francisco that was a fail .. yea lucky they got Purdy to soften that blow , and to think every team in league passed on Purdy like 7 times before he was chosen last .. that tells me it's all a guessing game just like this coach search ..I actually could see Sam under different system/coaching being as good as some of these can't miss prospects.. you can't throw a rookie to the wolves in this league and expect good results.. One of these Top 3 Qb will fail you can bet on it ![/QUOTE]


I’d be willing to say 2 of the top 3 QBs fail and one of the later QBs excels.

The QB position is almost impossible to predict.

You draft them based on their potential and ceiling.

Even a “can’t miss” T Law is honestly avg as hell and has been his whole career so far.

Josh Allen comes in out of no where and is a top 5 QB. You honestly just never know


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[quote=rocnrik;1357645]There have been a LOT of Total BUST with top QB picks .. I'm not even sure if it's 50/50 . Remember "Someone"thought Lance was the Guy in San Francisco that was a fail .. yea lucky they got Purdy to soften that blow , and to think every team in league passed on Purdy like 7 times before he was chosen last .. that tells me it's all a guessing game just like this coach search ..I actually could see Sam under different system/coaching being as good as some of these can't miss prospects.. you can't throw a rookie to the wolves in this league and expect good results.. One of these Top 3 Qb will fail you can bet on it ![/quote]



Sure but go back and look at the QBs drafted by round:
[url]https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb[/url]

If you had a to choose a round in which you are going to find your franchise QB which round is it?

You are far more likely to find a good QB in the first than any other round.

Sure there will be busts but your odds on hitting are far better than later rounds. For every Brock Purdy you have to draft 20 Greg McElroys.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1357648]Sure but go back and look at the QBs drafted by round:
[url]https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb[/url]

If you had a to choose a round in which you are going to find your franchise QB which round is it?

You are far more likely to find a good QB in the first than any other round.

Sure there will be busts but your odds on hitting are far better than later rounds. For every Brock Purdy you have to draft 20 Greg McElroys.[/quote]

No doubt which at #2 you have to take QB

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Definitely 1 of my top 5 favorite drafts I've personally done:

2. Jayden Daniels - QB - LSU
36. Ennis Rakestraw Jr. - CB - Missouri
40. Tyler Nubin - S - Minnesota
67. Patrick Paul - OT - Houston
100. Junior Colson - LB - Michigan
102. Sataoa Laumea - OT - Utah
137. Drake Nugent - OC - Michigan
180. Nehemiah Pritchett - CB - Auburn
219. Clark Barrington - OG - Baylor

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We need to find the second coming of Tre’ Johnson (a healthy one) at G. He was an absolute animal when healthy, he mauled people.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1357634]Just finished JD tape. I’m all in. Dynamic athlete, duel threat with a very accurate arm. Arm strength is good enough, it’s not Drake maye level but it’s Caleb level.


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I've just about convinced my self that J Daniels should be our pick at #2. I'm no QB expert but I just don't see any negatives that would overcome the many positives he has. The other two possibles have more things about them that tend to erode my confidence in them. Perhaps I'll comment more on their plusses and minuses in a future post. Hopefully, you can stand to wait for my post without peeing your pants in anticipation.

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JD reminds me too much of RG3 as far as style of play. If it were up to me, I would take either Williams or Maye. B Johnson (if he is our next coach) will probably want more of a pocket passer but I will support whatever the powers at be choose.

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Worrying about Daniels being like RG3 is the same type thing Houston avoided by taking Stroud and not worrying about the OSU QB success in the past. I don't think they're that similar. Don't even think their running styles are that similar.

Really hoping we end up with him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1357782]Worrying about Daniels being like RG3 is the same type thing Houston avoided by taking Stroud and not worrying about the OSU QB success in the past. I don't think they're that similar. Don't even think their running styles are that similar.

Really hoping we end up with him.[/quote]

The RG 3 comparison is very fair.
Both slightly built Uber athletic QBs that win the Heisman trophy.

I’m a die hard LSU fan and have watched every game. I invite you all to watch both FSU vs LSU games he played. They are the best referral of Daniels game.
You can see how raw, and poor QB skills he has, and how much of a run first athlete he is in the first FSU game. You can see how much he matures over the first year, and becomes a better QB in the second game.

He lost both games. Not only that, he was our played at the position by FSU.

He is a 1 read and tuck it QB, just like RG3. Cannot diagnose presnap read and go through the route tree progressions. He has his hot read and tucks it 9/10 plays.

I understand the excitement, but must present the caveat emptor.

HTTR

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?2022[/url]
v=xg83OU1s5Hg&pp=ygUVamF5ZGVuIGRhbmllbHMgdnMgZnN1

2023https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifR3Qqjk66M&t=27s&pp=ygUaSmF5ZGVuIGRhbmllbHMgdnMgZnN1IDIwMjM%3D

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jky2-pfBE4M&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D[/url]

Auburn game 2023

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357783]The RG 3 comparison is very fair.
Both slightly built Uber athletic QBs that win the Heisman trophy.

I’m a die hard LSU fan and have watched every game. I invite you all to watch both FSU vs LSU games he played. They are the best referral of Daniels game.
You can see how raw, and poor QB skills he has, and how much of a run first athlete he is in the first FSU game. You can see how much he matures over the first year, and becomes a better QB in the second game.

He lost both games. Not only that, he was our played at the position by FSU.

He is a 1 read and tuck it QB, just like RG3. Cannot diagnose presnap read and go through the route tree progressions. He has his hot read and tucks it 9/10 plays.

I understand the excitement, but must present the caveat emptor.

HTTR[/quote]

I don't think you can sell a LSU (and Commanders) fan on Daniels either way. You've definitely watched way more his work than me, but I'm still on the train.

Also, FSU was way better than LSU, across the board. And Jordan Travis was a bad-ass college QB.

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Vs Alabama
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SybRHCDx_ac[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1357787]I don't think you can sell a LSU (and Commanders) fan on Daniels either way. You've definitely watched way more his work than me, but I'm still on the train.

Also, FSU was way better than LSU, across the board. And Jordan Travis was a bad-ass college QB.[/quote]

No sales here, my friend. Born in Bethesda Naval hospital, and raised in Henson, VA. I’ve live in NO and rooted for LSU since Katrina. Redskins till I die.

Only presenting the facts. I wanted Daniels to be the man, he is not.

Great kid, athlete, person. Far from an elite NFL QB.
It would be wise to trade out of the #2 for a Kings ransom

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357789]It would be wise to trade out of the #2 for a Kings ransom[/quote]

Thank you! I don't feel any of the QBs are worthy of a top 2 pick, and if we have any takers (which I have a keen idea there will be buyers) wanting our #2 pick then we should swap and load up on picks.

I don't wanna slide down too far in the first round, so hopefully it's a team in top 7.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357789]No sales here, my friend. Born in Bethesda Naval hospital, and raised in Henson, VA. I’ve live in NO and rooted for LSU since Katrina. Redskins till I die.

Only presenting the facts. I wanted Daniels to be the man, he is not.

Great kid, athlete, person. Far from an elite NFL QB.
It would be wise to trade out of the #2 for a Kings ransom[/quote]You make an interesting argument for not drafting Daniels. Who do you like at qb then at the 2 selection or a trade down? Daniels is bigtime for production in the SEC, but I do worry about the injury factor and if he can consistently hit NFL passes in tight windows with his arm strength. Not gonna lie. Maye's physical attributes appeal to me. Kid is supposed to have a cannon, is big, and can run. This draft and offseason is going to be fun. Could be seismic for this franchise.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357789]No sales here, my friend. Born in Bethesda Naval hospital, and raised in Henson, VA. I’ve live in NO and rooted for LSU since Katrina. Redskins till I die.

Only presenting the facts. I wanted Daniels to be the man, he is not.

Great kid, athlete, person. Far from an elite NFL QB.
It would be wise to trade out of the #2 for a Kings ransom[/quote]

100%

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357783]The RG 3 comparison is very fair.
Both slightly built Uber athletic QBs that win the Heisman trophy.

I’m a die hard LSU fan and have watched every game. I invite you all to watch both FSU vs LSU games he played. They are the best referral of Daniels game.
You can see how raw, and poor QB skills he has, and how much of a run first athlete he is in the first FSU game. You can see how much he matures over the first year, and becomes a better QB in the second game.

He lost both games. Not only that, he was our played at the position by FSU.

He is a 1 read and tuck it QB, just like RG3. Cannot diagnose presnap read and go through the route tree progressions. He has his hot read and tucks it 9/10 plays.

I understand the excitement, but must present the caveat emptor.

HTTR[/quote]
Dude threw 40TDs and has poor QB skills?
You are oversimplifying the comparison because they both run.
You said it yourself, he matures over the year and becomes a better QB later in the year.
He has all the tools and is the only QB out of the top 3 that actually played his best last year.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357786][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jky2-pfBE4M&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D[/url]

Auburn game 2023[/quote]

If you meant this tape to illustrate your negative points about JD it doesn't. For example, numerous plays on this tape clearly show him going through his progressions in the pocket. Also, going into his final season, he became laser focused on improving some of the deficiencies in his game and his body in an effort to get ready for the pro game. His HC said that JD routinely beat him into the training facility every morning at 5:00 A.M. and he made great strides. This young man is very talented, smart, coachable, and dedicated to work hard to get better. He has a big upside to his game.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1357798]If you meant this tape to illustrate your negative points about JD it doesn't. For example, numerous plays on this tape clearly show him going through his progressions in the pocket. Also, going into his final season, he became laser focused on improving some of the deficiencies in his game and his body in an effort to get ready for the pro game. His HC said that JD routinely beat him into the training facility every morning at 5:00 A.M. and he made great strides. This young man is very talented, smart, coachable, and dedicated to work hard to get better. He has a big upside to his game.[/quote]

I have no questions about his work ethic, character, or elite athletic ability.
I’m telling you, as someone who has watched every game he played at LSU, You are getting RG3.
As long as you go into it with eyes wide open, not butterflies in your stomach and head in the clouds, then you have made an informed decision. But, like RG3 I don’t believe he will become an elite passer. He is a RPO quarterback who’s first instinct it his legs.

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[quote=jamf;1357797]Dude threw 40TDs and has poor QB skills?
You are oversimplifying the comparison because they both run.
You said it yourself, he matures over the year and becomes a better QB later in the year.
He has all the tools and is the only QB out of the top 3 that actually played his best last year.[/quote]

Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure. How many of those TDs were against Army, or Louisiana Monroe?

Oversimplifying, ok. I can except that. But so are you with your “40 TD” stat.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1357795]You make an interesting argument for not drafting Daniels. Who do you like at qb then at the 2 selection or a trade down? Daniels is bigtime for production in the SEC, but I do worry about the injury factor and if he can consistently hit NFL passes in tight windows with his arm strength. Not gonna lie. Maye's physical attributes appeal to me. Kid is supposed to have a cannon, is big, and can run. This draft and offseason is going to be fun. Could be seismic for this franchise.[/quote]

I would not take a QB at 2.
I would want to bend someone over the barrel and walk away with bookend tackles and a host of other picks/needs.

Draft a QB in 2nd or 3rd and maybe scrape Fields up for a song. He’s every bit as explosive as Daniels athletically, and probably as good a passer as well.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357783]The RG 3 comparison is very fair.
Both slightly built Uber athletic QBs that win the Heisman trophy.

I’m a die hard LSU fan and have watched every game. I invite you all to watch both FSU vs LSU games he played. They are the best referral of Daniels game.
You can see how raw, and poor QB skills he has, and how much of a run first athlete he is in the first FSU game. You can see how much he matures over the first year, and becomes a better QB in the second game.

He lost both games. Not only that, he was our played at the position by FSU.

He is a 1 read and tuck it QB, just like RG3. Cannot diagnose presnap read and go through the route tree progressions. He has his hot read and tucks it 9/10 plays.




I understand the excitement, but must present the caveat emptor.

HTTR[/quote]

Well, if I my eyes are not deceiving me, I saw him make a beautiful slide after a long run. Something RG3 never, ever learned. So no, not at all like RG3.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1357802]Well, if I my eyes are not deceiving me, I saw him make a beautiful slide after a long run. Something RG3 never, ever learned. So no, not at all like RG3.[/quote]

You got me 🤷🏻*♂️👌🏻😂

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It all depends on what we can get to trade down .. if we are talking Extra 1st , this years 2cnd & 3rd then we gotta do that ..All the QB except Williams are reaches at the number 2 pick .. One of them will bust and the other will be average at best . When we can take 10 year pro bowl tackle and with extra pick solidify the O line for years ..( get 3 very low risk top starters for one player that is a 50/50 chance of not working out . I would take that and draft a Bo Nix in the 2cnd/3rd round .. we have options ( maybe bears don't draft Williams and he is there ) I realize all picks are Risk however it seems QB is the hardest to get right ..

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RG3 also came into the league with two defective knees.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357799]I have no questions about his work ethic, character, or elite athletic ability.
I’m telling you, as someone who has watched every game he played at LSU, You are getting RG3.
As long as you go into it with eyes wide open, not butterflies in your stomach and head in the clouds, then you have made an informed decision. But, like RG3 I don’t believe he will become an elite passer. He is a RPO quarterback who’s first instinct it his legs.[/quote]

But he is coachable and he learns fast. RGIII and his father actually met with the Skins HC and [U]told[/U] the man which plays RGIII would not run.

I also noticed that JD was learning to get what he could out of a scramble and then slide or run out of bounds. RGIII couldn't even learn how to slide properly.

JD throws a gorgeous deep ball and he looks to be an accurate passer on other routes. With his work ethic and talent, I think he can become a top passer.

He may remind you of RGIII now but in time he may surpass what RGIII could have become.

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[quote=rocnrik;1357804]It all depends on what we can get to trade down .. if we are talking Extra 1st , this years 2cnd & 3rd then we gotta do that ..All the QB except Williams are reaches at the number 2 pick .. One of them will bust and the other will be average at best . When we can take 10 year pro bowl tackle and with extra pick solidify the O line for years ..( get 3 very low risk top starters for one player that is a 50/50 chance of not working out . I would take that and draft a Bo Nix in the 2cnd/3rd round .. we have options ( maybe bears don't draft Williams and he is there ) I realize all picks are Risk however it seems QB is the hardest to get right ..[/quote]

Agree almost 100% :biggthump

Williams is not worthy of 2 overall either.

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It will be fascinating to see what we do at 2. The options will be high. I do think there is a good chance that we WILL be offered a king's ransom for that selection. Issue with that is who is our qb going forward? Talent drops significantly after Williams, Daniels, Maye. Don't wanna trade for Fields at all. Roll with Howell which I doubt this new regime does? Safest bet is to take Maye. He has all the physical skills. Basically a Justin Herbert who can run. Kid was a 5 star coming out of hs. Uber talented. Less risk with him than Daniels. Bigger and stronger arm.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1357810]But he is coachable and he learns fast. RGIII and his father actually met with the Skins HC and [U]told[/U] the man which plays RGIII would not run.

I also noticed that JD was learning to get what he could out of a scramble and then slide or run out of bounds. RGIII couldn't even learn how to slide properly.

JD throws a gorgeous deep ball and he looks to be an accurate passer on other routes. With his work ethic and talent, I think he can become a top passer.

He may remind you of RGIII now but in time he may surpass what RGIII could have become.[/quote]
Every thing you say here is fair, and I applaud your optimism.

For me, it boils down to this. Jayden Daniels is not a ready made NFL QB. By your own optimistic opinion, you think he may someday mature to be.

Now ask yourself this, is a project QB worth the #2 pick. Before you answer this, know that the #2 pick MUST BE a slam dunk. (Think how whiffing on Chase Young instead of picking Herbert or Tua sunk our ship as opposed to steep rising of fortunes)

Now, assuming that you see the logical fallacy of project QB at #2 is a huge gamble, but the VALUE of trading some other poor bastards that are enamored with said pick. That pick is Uber valuable, and can be parlayed into multiple high value picks that can immediately rebuild our team in a new and favorable position.

Just my 2 cents. HTTR

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so what? never draft a QB?

there's never really a super fire pick. Aaron Rogers fell to 26, purdy was last, ryan leaf flamed out, peyton started 1-15.

If you don't have a QB and do nothing to get a QB, you're guaranteeing another tanked season. And I doubt your odds of hitting go up by waiting until the 2nd or 3rd round.

Rebuilding without a plan at QB isn't great, and there's no guarantees we'll be in a better position to get "the guy" next year.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1357881]Every thing you say here is fair, and I applaud your optimism.

For me, it boils down to this. Jayden Daniels is not a ready made NFL QB. By your own optimistic opinion, you think he may someday mature to be.

Now ask yourself this, is a project QB worth the #2 pick. Before you answer this, know that the #2 pick MUST BE a slam dunk. ([B]Think how whiffing on Chase Young instead of picking Herbert or Tua sunk our ship as opposed to steep rising of fortunes)[/B]

Now, assuming that you see the logical fallacy of project QB at #2 is a huge gamble, but the VALUE of trading some other poor bastards that are enamored with said pick. That pick is Uber valuable, and can be parlayed into multiple high value picks that can immediately rebuild our team in a new and favorable position.

Just my 2 cents. HTTR[/quote]

you are using too much hindsight in that statement, find a pre draft report of CY that didn't say he wasn't the best thing ever, everyone was all over his jock

We didn't pick Tau or Justin because ownership was in love with Haskins

Justin might have done well here, maybe. Tau has risen because of his current head coach, i am pretty sure Tau been a bust under RR

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[quote=That Guy;1357914]so what? never draft a QB?

there's never really a super fire pick. Aaron Rogers fell to 26, purdy was last, ryan leaf flamed out, peyton started 1-15.

If you don't have a QB and do nothing to get a QB, you're guaranteeing another tanked season. And I doubt your odds of hitting go up by waiting until the 2nd or 3rd round.

Rebuilding without a plan at QB isn't great, and there's no guarantees we'll be in a better position to get "the guy" next year.[/quote]

I don't think anyone's saying that, but if the consensus at Commies Park is that none of the top 3 qb's are worth a top 2 pick then look at backup plans like trading down, etc. I'm sure there's a qb they are bound to like in the draft. I'm starting to lean in this direction too - all of them have flaws, but some are fixable and some aren't. Whatever Peters and co. decide I trust them.

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[quote=mredskins;1357918]you are using too much hindsight in that statement, find a pre draft report of CY that didn't say he wasn't the best thing ever, everyone was all over his jock

We didn't pick Tau or Justin because ownership was in love with Haskins

Justin might have done well here, maybe. Tau has risen because of his current head coach, i am pretty sure Tau been a bust under RR[/quote]

That's a key, do you have a QB whisperer on staff (or incoming...) that can get the best out of one of these guys. Mahomes and Reid, Brady and Bilichick, Walsh and Montana/Young, Gibbs and N.E. One. It doesn't matter how talented they are, if they are poorly coached they'll fail.

Johnson got a damned good season out of Goff, despite everyone having written him off once LA traded him. If he comes here, hopefully he can do the same, whoever we pick up.

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I'll be shocked if they don't take a qb at 2.

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I want Storm Duck on my wall, I need Storm Duck on my wall.

2. Jayden Daniels - QB - LSU
36. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. - LB - Clemson
40. Tyler Nubin - S - Minnesota
67. Christian Haynes - OG - UConn
100. Sataoa Laumea - OT - Utah
102. Drake Nugent - OC - Michigan
137. Dallin Holker - TE - Colorado State
180. Cedric Johnson - EDGE - Ole Miss
219. Storm Duck - CB - Louisville

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I have a question. When you don't pick Daniel's at number two where does he usually fall to?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1357969]I have a question. When you don't pick Daniel's at number two where does he usually fall to?[/QUOTE]


Usually top 10

I just did five different mocks. He went 1 to Chicago, 8 twice to ATL, 15 to Tampa, and 3rd to NE. The closer it gets the more I am hoping, no praying, that we trade back into the top 10 somewhere and still get him.

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I can see a scenario like that unfolding, maybe for Daniels, and maybe for another QB the new regime may be enamored with.

That would be pretty sweet actually, to load up on picks and still get the QB you want.

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Traded back with ATL here, got an extra pick and their 1st and 2nd next year…..
Took Daniels at 8.

Traded down again later and got another extra pick.


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