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[quote=ingibbswetrust;421724]I agree that we should be building through the draft (and that we don't need Briggs) but at a position like WR, I really feel this is a trade worth making. I've been struggling with this lately and I keep coming back to the cowboys getting TO and the lions drafting flop after flop at the WR position. The cowboys took a huge gamble on bringing TO to town and it has put their offense over the top. Just look at them without him over the last few games of this season, they were an average offense at best and with him they are 2nd best offense the NFL.

We're mediocore as is on the offensive side of the ball and I really feel if we could have CJ open up the vertical game and take double teams off of Santana it would open up things for Moss, ARE in the slot and cooley over the middle (and of course the run game).

Depending on what we have to give up, I think this is a risk worth taking. Even if we were to draft a WR, that's a huge risk when we could draft a dependable linemen. This would obviously be an expensive trade for us but at least we know what we're getting in return (which we didn't really with B. Lloyd) , which is a bonafide game changing consistent WR for the next 5 years.

That's my vote. HAIL.[/quote]The main point is though that the ability to trade for Chad Johnson directly conflicts with the ability to draft linemen.

A trade makes sense for the Redskins because this is the first year in a long time we won't be able to outbid the opposition on the FA market. With the cap room we have, we can still offer a fair market deal, but another team would find it no issue at all to match or exceed our deal, because they aren't limited by the cap. That's why we have interest in Johnson.

However, that still doesn't mean that we can aquire him cheaply. The price tag the Bengals want is a first and a third, or two seconds. Let's say that we can negotiate a lower price tag: say a second now, and a third next year. Well, we still have to address the following positions in the next two years: CB, C, G, DE, DT, but now we have one fewer first day pick to do it with.

Knowing this franchise, that likely means we neglect the offensive line another year, and our offense declines, despite Johnson's presence. Though we would still be competitive, we've made no net gain in 2008, and are down a 3rd round pick in 2009.

And that's all assuming we negotiate a more reasonable price...not something Danny's exactly known for doing.

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What I don't understand is how can people want CJ when he's so combustible. We've got a young qb with limited experience who is learning yet another system and a first time head coach. That's a challenging situation and we saw how CJ handles not being in a winning situation this past year. I just think it's a bad idea. Great talent, not a great fit on this team. If JG were still coaching, I'd say go for it, he can handle it. But Zorn, who really knows?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421715]NE went out and spent money on FA's last year. Yeah they came up one game short but I wouldn't be too upset with 18 wins.[/QUOTE]

Um if your only loss is in the Super Bowl? Not really!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;421715]NE went out and spent money on FA's last year. Yeah they came up one game short but I wouldn't be too upset with 18 wins.[/quote]

Yeah but they already had the pieces in place. We don't. They're already a SB contending team. I don't think we're on that level yet. When and if we get there, that's when you go out and get a Chad Johnson or a Lance Briggs. IMO you get the big FA's when you're a player or two away. I just don't think we're that type of team yet. That's where teams like us and SF don't get it and NE does.

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[quote=GTripp0012;421731]The main point is though that the ability to trade for Chad Johnson directly conflicts with the ability to draft linemen.

A trade makes sense for the Redskins because this is the first year in a long time we won't be able to outbid the opposition on the FA market. With the cap room we have, we can still offer a fair market deal, but another team would find it no issue at all to match or exceed our deal, because they aren't limited by the cap. That's why we have interest in Johnson.

However, that still doesn't mean that we can aquire him cheaply. The price tag the Bengals want is a first and a third, or two seconds. Let's say that we can negotiate a lower price tag: say a second now, and a third next year. Well, we still have to address the following positions in the next two years: CB, C, G, DE, DT, but now we have one fewer first day pick to do it with.

Knowing this franchise, that likely means we neglect the offensive line another year, and our offense declines, despite Johnson's presence. Though we would still be competitive, we've made no net gain in 2008, and are down a 3rd round pick in 2009.

And that's all assuming we negotiate a more reasonable price...not something Danny's exactly known for doing.[/quote]

I hope like hell we don't neglect the O-line.

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Mel Kiper just said on ESPN NFL show that it is a strong WR class coming out this year.

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[quote=Defensewins;421801]Mel Kiper just said on ESPN NFL show that it is a strong WR class coming out this year.[/quote]

Well according to WP link that was posted awhile back, they were talking about getting rid of McCardell (Why???) and possibly Caldwell? (I'm not sure. I don't remember) That would leave room to draft a WR. Plus Espy might be back this season, correct?

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if we do pick up johnson who will be our number 3 wr. Are we goin to put el in the slot like wes welker in NE. Id much rather pick up a roy williams for a second round pick. He's bigger then johnson, granted not as fast but, will be more of team player and not cost as much as johnson will. Can someone give me the downside to picking up williams over johnson?

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[quote=WaldSkins;421816]if we do pick up johnson who will be our number 3 wr. Are we goin to put el in the slot like wes welker in NE. Id much rather pick up a roy williams for a second round pick. He's bigger then johnson, granted not as fast but, will be more of team player and not cost as much as johnson will. Can someone give me the downside to picking up williams over johnson?[/quote]

There is no downside but it's been reported that Detroit is not interested in trading him unless they get an "overwhelming" offer for him.

And my guess is that ARE would be the slot receiver.

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the detroit press reported that he was available for a second round pick, i dont have the link to attach but the link can be found on one of these 21 pages.

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and yea johnson is not doubt a elite receiver, but why do the redskins need to reward a player who would like to come to this team just for the big pay day. Why do we need to blow up our payroll for this one player?

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[quote=WaldSkins;421820]the detroit press reported that he was available for a second round pick, i dont have the link to attach but the link can be found on one of these 21 pages.[/quote]
If we could get Roy Williams for a 2nd round pick, I think that's a no-brainer. But I'd need to see the link. Everything I've seen sounds like they are looking for a major deal to trade him.

[URL="http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/02/dont_expect_roy_williams_to_be.html"]Don't expect Roy Williams to be traded - Detroit Lions: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com[/URL]

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I voted no, only because of the potential attitude disruptions and the overpaid price the skins are likely to pay....I do agree that someone like him would be a good catch

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Marvin Lewis maintains the Bengals have no intention of trading CJ. That he's still under contract to the team.

What is the contract status of CJ, is still under contract with the Bengals or is he about to become an URFA? I'm curious that any talks of trade for him at this time is/or is not borderline flirting with the tampering rule

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CJ is under contract until 2011