Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;442091]We don't even know at this point what would escalate that 3rd rounder to a 1st. But it's safe to assume it would have to be some pretty significant triggers, so let's not act like two #1's would be a foregone conclusion.[/quote]

You know what's funny is that one of the triggers I believe rely on the Redskins having a Super Bowl year, e.g: hosting the NFC Championship game. If the Redskins are one player away from Super Bowl glory, like some would have you believe, and CJ is that player why wouldn't it be foreseeable that we would hit one of those tiggers.

You know that CJ is worth the compensation but not enough that you think that CJ will help Redskins to be a Super Bowl contender?

You're already agreeing that CJ is not going to help the Redskins to a Super Bowl contending run by counting out the possibility that next years number one pick is going to be safe.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;442084]A direct result of that this past season was that we were using Lorenzo Alexander as a pulling guard late in the season because he was the most effective pulling blocker we had on the roster.

Lorenzo Alexander is an undrafted rookie Defensive Tackle and we used him to fill a hole in our offense. The guy is an undrafted rookie that plays defense and he was the best product that we came up with to pull block on offense?

The depth on both sides of the ball is pathetic.[/QUOTE]

And to piggyback on that, there were times where we had to use Chris Cooley as an extra blocker -- because the line was ineffective -- instead of getting him out into the secondary where he needs to be.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;442087]See, I can live with this logic. Good post.[/QUOTE]

I agree, that's the only reason I can see to not give up one pick.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[QUOTE=KB24;442100]And to piggyback on that, there were times where we had to use Chris Cooley as an extra blocker -- because the line was ineffective -- instead of getting him out into the secondary where he needs to be.[/QUOTE]

So the answer to that problem would be to select a backup [B]first round [/B]offensive lineman?! What a waste of a first round pick!

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[quote=jdlea;442108]So the answer to that problem would be to select a backup [B]first round [/B]offensive lineman?! What a waste of a first round pick![/quote]

If we could get Albert, Chris Williams or Jeff Otah in the 1st, we'd be investing in a future franchise left tackle, something that is highly valued by teams. The tuna just signed one w/the 1st overall pick.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[QUOTE=freddyg12;442111]If we could get Albert, Chris Williams or Jeff Otah in the 1st, we'd be investing in a future franchise left tackle, something that is highly valued by teams. The tuna just signed one w/the 1st overall pick.[/QUOTE]

Not a one of them will fall to the 21st pick. We could possibly get Gosder Cherilus, but drafting a tackle to sit is a waste. A first round pick should be able to step in and make an impact, unless they're a QB. AND Jake Long is gonna play in Week 1.

Furthermore: If we're going to sit a tackle that we selected in the first round, why don't we get one in the 2nd or 3rd and let him develop? Or let Heyer develop?

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[quote=jdlea;442113]Not a one of them will fall to the 21st pick. We could possibly get Gosder Cherilus, but drafting a tackle to sit is a waste. A first round pick should be able to step in and make an impact, unless they're a QB. AND Jake Long is gonna play in Week 1.

Furthermore: If we're going to sit a tackle that we selected in the first round, why don't we get one in the 2nd or 3rd and let him develop? Or let Heyer develop?[/quote]

Our first round might not make an impact this year but a significant impact the next and the following years. The draft isn't so much who can play now but who you can develop for later.

That's why it's imperative that we get those young Redskins now and develop them into our system...so we don't have to wait any longer to be a competitive team.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

Not talking about the cap ramifications (I agree with Schneeds assessment), the trade absolutely makes sense. We would get first round talent for a first round pick. So the question is whether or not adding a third round pick is appropriate for a guarantee of attaining a pro-bowl caliber player with your first round pick.



I'll take that all day long.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

Dan Snyder has been too quiet for too long... He can't resist but cough some money to bring him into DC.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[QUOTE=jdlea;442108]So the answer to that problem would be to select a backup [B]first round [/B]offensive lineman?! What a waste of a first round pick![/QUOTE]

You could go with a guard who could spell Kendall and his arthritic knees or Thomas when he has his annual season-ending injury. Or you could get a pass-rusher to complement Andre Carter and take pressure off an offensive unit whose line has those age and injury problems with only one back-up.

[QUOTE=GoSkins!;442124]Not talking about the cap ramifications (I agree with Schneeds assessment), the trade absolutely makes sense. We would get first round talent for a first round pick. So the question is whether or not adding a third round pick is appropriate for a guarantee of attaining a pro-bowl caliber player with your first round pick.



I'll take that all day long.[/QUOTE]

What's the point of bringing in an elite wide receiver if the offense can neither run the ball nor give JC adequate protection when needed?

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[QUOTE=jdlea;442108]So the answer to that problem would be to select a backup [B]first round [/B]offensive lineman?! What a waste of a first round pick![/QUOTE]

I'd venture to guess that less than 20% of late 1st round draft picks make a meaningful impact in their rookie seasons. If you want an impact rookie with the 21st pick, be prepared to be disappointed.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

I've got to ask supporters of the trade offer for CJ a few questions. What are the chances that Chad would become a major de-stabilizing locker room force if he doesn't get enough balls thrown his way or we struggle to win games in 2008? Had Brandon Lloyd been put up Chad Johnson-like numbers during his tenture in D.C., would you have wanted him around?

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

Not exactly sure what you're askin. Are you asking if Brandon Lloyd's actions would have been acceptable if he put up numbers like Chad Johnson?

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;442166]Not exactly sure what you're askin. Are you asking if Brandon Lloyd's actions would have been acceptable if he put up numbers like Chad Johnson?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

First, do you think Chad Johnson would become a locker room problem if: (a) the Redskins do not win a lot of games in 2008; or (b) Campbell doesn't throw the ball Chad's way 5-6 times per game?

Second, would you have wanted the Redskins to retain Brandon Lloyd had he been a Pro Bowl caliber wideout?

Fairly or not, I was implying that Chad Johnson is a highly productive version of Brandon Lloyd. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted the Redskins to retain Brandon Lloyd even if he was putting up T.O. type numbers.

Re: Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)
 

Chad Johnson would be a nightmare for a brand new coach and a developing QB. Stick with the draft.