Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;801242]Not sure why you call Shanahan a QB developer. None of the QBs that him or Kyle have developed have become anything overly special. I mean take away Elway, and Shanny hasn't won a damn thing with his development projects. I mean this is really borderline pathetic in how we are looking at our "savior" in terms of reality to what he actually has done with Qbs. Mike Shanahan is a decent coach, and I do think he can get us to be a contender, but he is no genius at developing QBs. Orton is a good QB, but not sure he would lead us to a SB, much less John Beck. Same thing with Cutler, above average, but nothing like a Manning or Brady.[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk;801262]Elway also played some of his best ball with Shanahan. Sure Shanny didn't win SB's without Elway, but vice versa is also true.[/quote]

Elway wins 2 SB's under Shanny and none before says something right there as well as the Steve Young connection.

As for looking at some John Beck footage you might want to look at this too. Johnny's last full game, the 4th preseason game against Atlanta, sure it was preseason but his first drive was against the Atlanta starters while he was using both starters and second stringers. I will let the Video speak for itself.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009090352/2009/PRE4/ravens@falcons/watch]NFL Game Center: Baltimore Ravens at Atlanta Falcons - 2009 Preseason Week 4[/url]

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=gafinfan;801290][url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009090352/2009/PRE4/ravens@falcons/watch]NFL Game Center: Baltimore Ravens at Atlanta Falcons - 2009 Preseason Week 4[/url][/quote]

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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Beck looks like he has a hella quick release, and his drop is even faster. I like what I saw form Beck and if I would of seen these video's last year. I would of been calling for him to play the final 3 games.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

same here BUCKET. My bad on Beck looks like he's pretty good

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I hope I'm wrong on Beck, but I'm not sure I want to cash all our chips on a 30 year old who's barely played. I can't imagine we're putting this much faith in him. By we, I mean Kyle and Mike. But if that's the case, I hope he's Trent Green, not John Friesz.

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I don't really care for Beck,hes not the answer for our team.We really havn't had a good QB since J.T

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;801495]I hope I'm wrong on Beck, but I'm not sure I want to cash all our chips on a 30 year old who's barely played. I can't imagine we're putting this much faith in him. By we, I mean Kyle and Mike. But if that's the case, I hope he's Trent Green, not John Friesz.[/quote]

Oh come on, it'll be fun. And I'm actually kind of serious. I love the idea of going in with a talented underdog that is completely under the radar. He can move, put touch on his throws, anticipate routes, throw deep when he needs to, and he studies like a madman.

I'm picturing Marty Ball with a more creative passing attack. If we can go 8-8 with Tony Banks as our QB then we can certainly go 8-8 with John Beck running the Shanahan offense. Besides it's not like McNabb set the bar real high.

Of course I would prefer a rookie QB with tons of upside learning on the sidelines but you can't have everything. Though I still fear a repeat of the Wurrfel, Matthews, Ramsey carousel. Okay so my faith is a wee bit shakey sue me.

[quote=elindsay;801500]I don't really care for Beck,hes not the answer for our team.We really havn't had a good QB since J.T[/quote]

How can you overlook Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, and Brad Johnson?

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^ and even M Brunell

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I'm all in with the MS plan. Going to run with Beck in my Madden Franchise...on ALL MADDEN level!!! Take that!

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[quoteHow can you overlook Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, and Brad Johnson?][/quote]

Actually......we havent kept a good QB since I have been watching the team. In fact by stats ....JC was the closest thing to a long term QB we have had. That is just a cursory look at TD/ Int, Yards and Comp%

Rypien inconsistant at best - he only really had two good seasons out of six (not consecutive)

Williams, as much as I liked him, he was at the end of his career here.

Johnson was good his first year and average (to bad) his second.


Joey T was the last guy who put together 3 good seasons - but that was it...just three.

This is the site I used[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RypiMa00.htm]Mark Rypien NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I think what I am saying is we are due!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;801249]How many SBs do those guys have under Shanny? Also they played their best ball because of the system and how frigging stacked Denver was during that period in the weakest division in the NFL. ALso, look at the quality of guys you have mentioned. All from big schools, so they already had oodles of talent to begin with. Not saying Shanny isn't a QB developer Matty, just saying I don't think he is a guru. His system helps QBs to succeed, but the QBs he had, already had the tools. Now if he had won another SB or two, say with Plummer and was a serious contender for others, then I would go along with you and believe he was a "guru", but to me he just has a good system that is QB friendly.[/quote]

I think their lack of SB's had a lot more to do with other parts of their team not being up to snuff. Sure none of those QB's were all world but you can't deny what they did under Shanahan.

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At this rate McNabb is going to end up as a backup QB in Philly.

- For starters Arizona has virtually zero interest in McNabb, as we've been saying for months. Arizona is currently linked to Kolb and Bulger.

- Minnesota is interested but doesn't want to spend big money on a veteran QB after drafting Chris Ponder.

- Oakland is committed to Jason Campbell.

- Titans could be interested in bringing in a vet but like Minnesota they don't want to give McNabb a multi-year deal.

- Cincinnati. Seriously doubt it.

- 49ers claim they're serious about keeping Alex Smith and having Kaepernick develop behind him.

- Seattle wants Hasselbeck back and if they can't get him they're rumored to be targeting Kolb.

- Miami..........apparently they would rather have Palmer but this seems like it could be a match. Also hearing that they might like Young.

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I honestly could see 5 returning next year

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;801540]At this rate McNabb is going to end up as a backup QB in Philly.

- For starters Arizona has virtually zero interest in McNabb, as we've been saying for months. Arizona is currently linked to Kolb and Bulger.

- Minnesota is interested but doesn't want to spend big money on a veteran QB after drafting Chris Ponder.

- Oakland is committed to Jason Campbell.

- Titans could be interested in bringing in a vet but like Minnesota they don't want to give McNabb a multi-year deal.

- Cincinnati. Seriously doubt it.

- 49ers claim they're serious about keeping Alex Smith and having Kaepernick develop behind him.

- Seattle wants Hasselbeck back and if they can't get him they're rumored to be targeting Kolb.

- Miami..........apparently they would rather have Palmer but this seems like it could be a match. Also hearing that they might like Young.[/QUOTE]

The Titans are in a terrible QB situation and could prob use McNabb...other than that ur pretty much correct. Honestly the Redskins and McNabb could really help each other by staying put for one more year. Bu egos will get in the way.

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