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[quote=53Fan;534941]When you have as many needs as we have it's hard to address them all with really good players in one year. Plus I think we were thrown a curve with the whole JT thing. I think we've made some improvements but I don't think we're done yet.[/quote]

I think in the end we won't be able to address everything we need. I know it sounds bad, but that's just the reality. I mean look at Tampa Bay, they have a ton of cap money and they haven't acquired anyone. I don't know what are their needs, but with all that cap space, you'd imagine they acquire some big name free agent after releasing a whole bunch of their veterans. To be honest, I don't even know who is their current QB.

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... btw I've bought a ticket on the "draft Mack" train, but only if we can 1) trade down w/ the lions and get their 1st and 2nd round picks 2) draft Mack and a LB starter w/ those two picks. The only thing bugging me is it means we have to address LDE in FA and also IMHO a legit RT too. Daniels/Wynn can do the job @ DE by rotating, neither guy you'd want to stay in there three downs. RT is a tough call. I'm scared to death about going into yet another season w/ Jansen/Heyer for our only options. It never turns out well right? Jansen shouldn't even be considered a RT anymore... he can be an interior backup for one year until he's cut. Anyway I think we'd be wise to get a legit RT in FA, if not the draft, and let he and Heyer compete for the starter's spot. Let the best dude win :)

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I'm not even sure if Tampa knows who their QB is. :) We're probably just going to have to decide which position is the weakest with who we have right now. We need RT but could Heyer handle that position better than say Blades could handle OLB? But then again you don't want to pass up someone who you think would truly be outstanding at one of those positions. I don't think we'll be nearly as bad this year as some seem to think.

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[quote=Ruhskins;534944][B]I think in the end we won't be able to address everything we need.[/B] I know it sounds bad, but that's just the reality. I mean look at Tampa Bay, they have a ton of cap money and they haven't acquired anyone. I don't know what are their needs, but with all that cap space, you'd imagine they acquire some big name free agent after releasing a whole bunch of their veterans. To be honest, I don't even know who is their current QB.[/quote]

I don't want to give up hope yet Ruh. Again, Daniels/Wynn rotating fix the LDE problem for a year. Sure it's not what we all hoped for but it's a short term fix. That leaves o-line and LB. I mean maybe we get lucky and draft 2 starters in a trade-back scenario. Maybe we just get one standout at 13 in Oher, Rey and then we hope to hell we have a gem fall to us at the other position the way Hall and Dock fell to us. We're kind of on a lucky streak...

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[quote=The Goat;534961]I don't want to give up hope yet Ruh. [B]Again, Daniels/Wynn rotating fix the LDE problem for a year.[/B] Sure it's not what we all hoped for but it's a short term fix. That leaves o-line and LB. I mean maybe we get lucky and draft 2 starters in a trade-back scenario. Maybe we just get one standout at 13 in Oher, Rey and then we hope to hell we have a gem fall to us at the other position the way Hall and Dock fell to us. We're kind of on a lucky streak...[/quote]

Well that's what I meant, you've given a good example of an area that we wouldn't address, and just patch up for this year. And I think with AH, Carter, and Griff, we should be able to plug a decent player at LDE for the year (or like you said, rotate Daniels/Wynn). I think LB is a concern, as well as the offensive line. But if we don't need to address the DE this year,then we can focus on LB and the offensive line.

Although, we still have a ways to go (the period between now and the draft and the draft itself) before we can say whether or not things have been addressed.

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Glad to have you on the Mack train Goat. I look at it this way. Say we really want help at strong safety and our LT is a pretty good player nearing the end as an elite tackle. Jonathen Ogden is on the board, but there are some pretty good safties out there too. The best ones will be gone by the time you pick or have some questions about them but there are some others with some pretty good upside available later on. You can get by with the SS you have for at least one more year. Do you pass on Ogden even though he will be an all pro player who will make your line better for many, many years and take a pretty good safety because you want to improve that position right now? Or do you take a guy who will be the cornerstone of your line for years even though you could get by at that position for a while longer?

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... btw did Marcus sign somewhere cuz i'm not seeing him listed on the ESPN FA tracker.

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Daniels and Wynn are a fine one year solution at LE. Excellent even at vet min prices. But the pass rush then has to come in part from the linebacker position, where we currently sport HB Blades, who can't rush the passer, Rocky McIntosh, who can't rush the passer, and soon-to-be Khary Campbell, who can't really get on the field on defense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;534977]Daniels and Wynn are a fine one year solution at LE. Excellent even at vet min prices. But the pass rush then has to come in part from the linebacker position, where we currently sport HB Blades, who can't rush the passer, Rocky McIntosh, who can't rush the passer, and soon-to-be Khary Campbell, who can't really get on the field on defense.[/quote]

I heard about this kid Rey who can really rush the f'ing passer... :D

Seriously, I think a monster addition to LB shores up the defense assuming we stopgap LDE w/ Daniels/Wynn.

... we've spent so much money there I'm tempted to just say f it and go all the way. We have to get the best possible FA at OT in that case but we haven't even heard anything brewing...

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[quote=The Goat;534978]I heard about this kid Rey who can really rush the f'ing passer... :D

Seriously, I think a monster addition to LB shores up the defense assuming we stopgap LDE w/ Daniels/Wynn.

... we've spent so much money there I'm tempted to just say f it and go all the way. We have to get the best possible FA at OT in that case but we haven't even heard anything brewing...[/quote]OT market:

Player, age

J. Runyan, 35
T. Thomas, 34
Marv. Smith, 31
M. Tauscher, 32
Oli. Ross, 34
Br. Gorin, 31
J. St. Clair, 32

That's pretty much why Willis stood out.

If I put Jansen on this list, he'd be between Marvel Smith, and Tauscher, so most of those guys wouldn't start for us anyway. Runyan might even retire, and he was Jansen's [I]predecessor[/I] at Michigan, so he's old as dirt.

On a two year deal, Marvel Smith makes sense for us. But that doesn't eliminate the need to land a tackle at thirteen exactly.

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And my Suggs idea makes the defense elite (Hayesworth + Suggs + Carter = top 3 pass rush, even given Blache effect), but it also means the best we can hope for in this draft is a third round Center who can push Rabach in camp, and then we wouldn't pick again til the second round next year. So tackle, still an issue in that scenario.

Basically, I don't see an out for Vinny here. Either the defense has depth, or the offense has depth, and we go into the season hoping for great health on one side of the ball or the other. I have no predictive power to recommend one direction over the other now.

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The sad thing is, Blades + McIntosh + Fletcher actually make an above average LB corps. The problem, outside of lacking any competant depth, is that Blache will just send 6+ man blitzes, which won't put any pressure on the QB unless Haynesworth beats his double team right off the snap (in which case, the blitzers were basically not needed anyway).

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[quote=GTripp0012;534977]Daniels and Wynn are a fine one year solution at LE. Excellent even at vet min prices. But the pass rush then has to come in part from the linebacker position, where we currently sport HB Blades, who can't rush the passer, Rocky McIntosh, who can't rush the passer, and soon-to-be Khary Campbell, who can't really get on the field on defense.[/quote]

They should move Chris Wilson to OLB

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[quote=SmootSmack;535008]They should move Chris Wilson to OLB[/quote]

Great idea, Ive always wondered why the havent tried that with him before..He has both the size and the speed

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[quote=SmootSmack;535008]They should move Chris Wilson to OLB[/quote]

This idea is actually good one, but I doubt Redskins re thinking of same thing though..

This is just a thought, it's pretty much only logic explanation I could think of why Redskins are not pursuing a LB in free agency: perhaps Blache is planning to use corba packages often for this season? We would not really need a starting LB if we plan to use corba packages often?

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[quote=SmootSmack;535008]They should move Chris Wilson to OLB[/quote]

That's ****ing interesting man, that's ****ing interesting.

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[quote=GridIron26;535050]This idea is actually good one, but I doubt Redskins re thinking of same thing though..

This is just a thought, it's pretty much only logic explanation I could think of why Redskins are not pursuing a LB in free agency: perhaps Blache is planning to use corba packages often for this season? We would not really need a starting LB if we plan to use corba packages often?[/quote]

yeah i could see this too. Horton/Landry are about the same size as a lot of the FA LB left on the market. But I wonder who plays deep in this scenario... if Moore is really progressing I could see him as the center fielder while Horton/Landry play headhunters further up.

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[quote=GridIron26;535050]This idea is actually good one, but I doubt Redskins re thinking of same thing though..

This is just a thought, it's pretty much only logic explanation I could think of why Redskins are not pursuing a LB in free agency: perhaps Blache is planning to use corba packages often for this season? We would not really need a starting LB if we plan to use corba packages often?[/quote]

I don't think that's the explanation. Unless we make "cobra" our base defensive package (which would not be smart at all), we're going to need a starting caliber OLB. Even then we'd still want a guy capable of starting on the outside. I think we could still make a play for Crowell.

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[quote=GMScud;535062]I don't think that's the explanation. Unless we make "cobra" our base defensive package (which would not be smart at all), [B]we're going to need a starting caliber OLB.[/B] Even then we'd still want a guy capable of starting on the outside. I think we could still make a play for Crowell.[/quote]

I agree, but what else explanation is there when Redskins appears are not pursuing anybody on FA? I guess we should wait until draft to see what Redskins' plans are..

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[quote=GridIron26;535063]I agree, but what else explanation is there when Redskins appears are not pursuing anybody on FA? I guess we should wait until draft to see what Redskins' plans are..[/quote]

Maybe they're happy with Sinclair (I hope not)? Maybe they feel like they can move the 13th pick for multiple 1st day selections and address both tackle and LB? Maybe they bring back Marcus? Maybe they move Chris Wilson to OLB? I have no idea.

There are a number of possible explanations, but IMO overusing the "cobra" package isn't one of them.

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[quote=GridIron26;535063]I agree, but what else explanation is there when Redskins appears are not pursuing anybody on FA? [B]I guess we should wait until draft to see what Redskins' plans are[/B]..[/quote]

"If" we are not going to make any more moves in FA as far as OL/DL with our available cap we should at least bring in Hunter. I Promise this is the last time I bring him up but he's one way to upgrade both O and D at the same time. Hope we have a plan and a little luck in the draft.

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[quote=44ever;535067]"If" we are not going to make any more moves in FA as far as OL/DL with our available cap [B]we should at least bring in Hunter. I Promise this is the last time[/B] I bring him up but he's one way to upgrade both O and D at the same time. Hope we have a plan and a little luck in the draft.[/quote]
Hey 44ever, does my quoting you count as me bringing him up. I know I said I would drop it eventually, but maybe I can just keep quoting you and vice versa, that way neither of us break our promise :) (would be nice to have him :()

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;535069]Hey 44ever, does my quoting you count as me bringing him up. I know I said I would drop it eventually, but maybe I can just keep quoting you and vice versa, that way neither of us break our promise :) (would be nice to have him :()[/quote]

Ha ha. Feel free to use it whenever necessary:)

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[quote=GMScud;535066]Maybe they're happy with Sinclair (I hope not)? Maybe they feel like they can move the 13th pick for multiple 1st day selections and address both tackle and LB? [B]Maybe they bring back Marcus? Maybe they move Chris Wilson to OLB? [/B]I have no idea.

There are a number of possible explanations, but IMO overusing the "cobra" package isn't one of them.[/quote]

Both of these options could really help our d. The only caveat is both Wilson and Marcus are better suited to play WLB for us. I think unless we spend a high draft pick on a stud LB Rocky is the best cover guy in the group and it's always seemed to me our SLB gets stuck in cover situations more often.

... Wilson has perfect size for an NFC East WLB i just wonder how quick he is and whether he can shed blockers. I think he's very well liked by the d coaches too.

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[quote=The Goat;535083]Both of these options could really help our d. The only caveat is both Wilson and Marcus are better suited to play WLB for us. I think unless we spend a high draft pick on a stud LB Rocky is the best cover guy in the group and it's always seemed to me our SLB gets stuck in cover situations more often.

... Wilson has perfect size for an NFC East WLB i just wonder how quick he is and whether he can shed blockers. I think he's very well liked by the d coaches too.[/quote]

I agree. I think Wilson would fit nicely at the Will spot size-wise, and Rocky is definitely the best coverage LB we have. I would prefer that he stay at the Sam spot.

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[quote=GMScud;535062]I don't think that's the explanation. Unless we make "cobra" our base defensive package [B](which would not be smart at all)[/B], we're going to need a starting caliber OLB. Even then we'd still want a guy capable of starting on the outside. I think we could still make a play for Crowell.[/quote]

I'm just sort of curious to see why would you think that it wouldn't be smart move to make cobra as our base defensive package? To me, it sounds like another version of 3-4 defense but faster?

Here's another news; [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/redskins_make_contract_offer_t.html"]Redskins Make Contract Offer to Daniels - Redskins Insider[/URL]

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[quote=GridIron26;535127]I'm just sort of curious to see why would you think that it wouldn't be smart move to make cobra as our base defensive package? To me, it sounds like another version of 3-4 defense but faster?

Here's another news; [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/redskins_make_contract_offer_t.html"]Redskins Make Contract Offer to Daniels - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

Well, it couldn't be a 3-4 because we'd still have 4 down lineman on the line of scrimmage, regardless of the three safeties in the game. Also, you said we wouldn't need another starting LB if we ran primarily cobra. So it couldn't be a version of a defense that uses 4 LBs if we're only fielding 2. We'd have 5 DBs in the game at all times with cobra as well. So it's really a 4-2-5.

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[quote=GridIron26;535127]I'm just sort of curious to see why would you think that it wouldn't be smart move to make cobra as our base defensive package? To me, it sounds like another version of 3-4 defense but faster?

Here's another news; [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/redskins_make_contract_offer_t.html"]Redskins Make Contract Offer to Daniels - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

Finally some real news... nice find GridIron. Daniels can't be our full-time guy cuz of age and wear and tear so I'm curious who we pair up to rotate w/ him. Thinking more now it's Buzbee cuz he's already on our roster and I'm not sure there's enough cap room to sign a second LDE, but honestly that situation scares the shit out of me. Buzbee is coming off a major injury as well and besides hasn't proven squat.

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[quote=GMScud;535136]Well, it couldn't be a 3-4 because we'd still have 4 down lineman on the line of scrimmage, regardless of the three safeties in the game. Also, you said we wouldn't need another starting LB if we ran primarily cobra. So it couldn't be a version of a defense that uses 4 LBs if we're only fielding 2. We'd have 5 DBs in the game at all times with cobra as well. So it's really a 4-2-5.[/quote]

Right, I guess I should have used "another version of defense".. But I still don't see why it would not be good idea? All it does is to add speed to our defense, although it probably would not work well when we play against teams w/ bruising running backs such as NYG w/ Jacobs.. Other than those teams, I think it would work out really well for us..

I agree with you, Goat.. However I am not sure about Buzbee; I'm hoping that we will have a chance to get look at Wilson and Rob Jackson.. Although they primarily are pass rushers but it just can't be THE reason why they are still on roster list..

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[quote=GridIron26;535127]I'm just sort of curious to see why would you think that it wouldn't be smart move to make cobra as our base defensive package? To me, it sounds like another version of 3-4 defense but faster?

Here's another news; [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/redskins_make_contract_offer_t.html"]Redskins Make Contract Offer to Daniels - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]Pfft. I want more news on guys who AREN'T signing here!

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[quote=GridIron26;535142]Right, I guess I should have used "another version of defense".. But I still don't see why it would not be good idea? All it does is to add speed to our defense, although it probably would not work well when we play against teams w/ bruising running backs such as NYG w/ Jacobs.. Other than those teams, I think it would work out really well for us..[/quote]

Were Chris Horton and Kareem Moore so stellar in their rookie seasons that you want to use them in a 3 safety package all the time? Horton looks like a player for sure, but we play Marion Barber, Brian Westbrook, and Brandon Jacobs a combined 6x a year. I'd rather not have 5 DBs on the field against those guys.

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[quote=GMScud;535146]Were Chris Horton and Kareem Moore so stellar in their rookie seasons that you want to use them in a 3 safety package all the time? Horton looks like a player for sure, but we play Marion Barber, Brian Westbrook, and Brandon Jacobs a combined 6x a year. I'd rather not have 5 DBs on the field against those guys.[/quote]

I think we would need more speed on our D when playing against Westbrook.. Guess we would have to agree to disagree

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Won't be surprised if Levi Jones becomes a FA after the draft... if worst comes to worst and we weren't able to get an OT he might be a nice option at RT and I doubt he would command big money.

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[quote=The Goat;535298]Won't be surprised if Levi Jones becomes a FA after the draft... if worst comes to worst and we weren't able to get an OT he might be a nice option at RT and I doubt he would command big money.[/quote]

that'd be surprising... and that move would definitely prevent him from getting top dollar, but he's still good enough to get real money.

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[quote=That Guy;535311]that'd be surprising... and that move would definitely prevent him from getting top dollar, but he's still good enough to get real money.[/quote]

I don't know that it should surprise anyone... Cinci is in desperate need of a healthy dominant LT to protect Carson Palmer and at pick 6 they will get to choose from 2 or maybe 3 of the top OTs in this year's draft. Why pay Jones a hefty sum to be a backup LT or even move to RT after the draft?

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[quote=The Goat;535320]I don't know that it should surprise anyone... Cinci is in desperate need of a healthy dominant LT to protect Carson Palmer and at pick 6 they will get to choose from 2 or maybe 3 of the top OTs in this year's draft. Why pay Jones a hefty sum to be a backup LT or even move to RT after the draft?[/quote]

I think you're giving the Cincy front office too much credit, although after the bad draft they had last year maybe they have learned.

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[quote=The Goat;535298]Won't be surprised if Levi Jones becomes a FA after the draft... if worst comes to worst and we weren't able to get an OT he might be a nice option at RT and I doubt he would command big money.[/quote]

Yeah I've heard he'll probably be cut too

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Giants sign Safty C.Brown..............



[B]Giants | Financial details of C. Brown's contract
[/B]Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:19:03 -0700

Mike Garafolo, of The Star-Ledger, reports New York Giants S C.C. Brown signed a one-year deal worth $1 million in base salary with $300,000 guaranteed. Brown also received a $400,000 signing bonus and a $50,000 workout bonus. His $150,000 roster bonus is prorated for each game he is active and he will receive $400,000 if he plays in 75 percent of the defensive snaps. Brown's total cap number is $1.6 million.

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sorry giantone, never heard of him :)

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[quote=The Goat;535298]Won't be surprised if Levi Jones becomes a FA after the draft... if worst comes to worst and we weren't able to get an OT he might be a nice option at RT and I doubt he would command big money.[/quote]

I thought he was a solid tackle. Why would Cinci be letting him go? If he becomes available, wouldn't he be the best tackle on the market??