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[quote=over the mountain;615256]the sad part is JC isnt even throwing it on time when his first read receiver is open open.

ive posted on here a couple times that imo JC needs his first read to be open open for any passing play over 10 yds to click. apparently (atleast from this small sampling) shows that even when zorn calls a perfect play, the reciever runs a good route and JCs first read is open, he still doesnt get the ball out on time.[/quote]

I'm starting to think more and more that Campbell was the player that teammates, like Portis and Cooley, were calling out for not doing his job - after the first couple games of the season.

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Yes, whether or not CC is a good GM or not, you've got to agree that his analysis on CBS is "super smart."

I think a team could do alot worse than CC as their GM. I'd like to go younger for our GM, but just sayin.

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Campbell? We've a QB named Campbell? Oh yeah, that guy. He's still playing football?

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[quote=warriorzpath;615262]I'm starting to think more and more that Campbell was the player that teammates, like Portis and Cooley, were calling out for not doing his job - after the first couple games of the season.[/quote]

I kinda doubt it. Despite his struggles he's a hard worker and has the respect of his teammates. Hell, he and Cooley are practically best friends off the field, so I can't see Cooley calling him out.

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If we've got a guy named Campbell, they need to put him in. The guy they've got playing now isn't getting it done. Hey wait . . . . yeah, my bad.

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[quote=Mattyk72;615267]I kinda doubt it. Despite his struggles he's a hard worker and has the respect of his teammates. Hell, he and Cooley are practically best friends off the field, so I can't see Cooley calling him out.[/quote]

I can see why Campbell has friends on this team, but I'm not so sure about the respect part of this. They all watch, analyze, and discuss film together, so they know who's doing well or not. As a teammate, if my quarterback was the reason we weren't winning - I wouldn't respect him - even if he was my best friend.

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[quote=warriorzpath;615274]I can see why Campbell has friends on this team, but I'm not so sure about the respect part of this. They all watch, analyze, and discuss film together, so they know who's doing well or not. As a a teammate, if my quarterback was the reason we weren't winning - I wouldn't respect him - even if he was my best friend.[/quote]

I don't believe there are players walking around thinking that JC is the sole reason they aren't winning.

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[quote=Mattyk72;615277]I don't believe there are players walking around thinking that JC is the sole reason they aren't winning.[/quote]

He isn't the sole reason why, but when they're watching film - Zorn has had to say the same things that Casserly just said in that video in front of the whole team. He can sugarcoat it all he wants in front of everyone but if he's correcting Campbell with a number of plays, then that gets into the minds of the players.

I'm just saying there's really no way around that.

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[quote=over the mountain;615245][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM"]YouTube - Charlie Casserly Says Jason Campbell Is "Too Indecisive"[/URL]

charlie casserly's break down of JC . . . sounds like alot of us on here. the defense of JC is becoming indefensible imo.

go skins!![/quote]I've been one of the Campbell defenders, but wow, film doesn't lie. I trust film more than I trust numbers, and many of the instances that Casserly showed were EASY throws if the ball comes out on time. Perhaps Campbell will end up as a backup for a team running a Coryell-based downfield attack.

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[quote=warriorzpath;615282]He isn't the sole reason why, but when they're watching film - Zorn has had to say the same things that Casserly just said in that video in front of the whole team. He can sugarcoat it all he wants in front of everyone but if he's correcting Campbell with a number of plays, then that gets into the minds of the players.

I'm just saying there's really no way around that.[/quote]

Yeah I just don't think you always "lose respect" for someone if they aren't playing well.

By all accounts JC works hard on and off the field, so I'm sure he has a basic level of respect from his teammates for that. Sure he's not playing well and of course you have to start by looking at his play, but there are a bunch of other factors at work as well that is contributing to his poor play. It's not as easy as just pointing the finger at him alone.

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What I've said about Campbell all along is just now getting noticed by the rest of the people on this thread and the great charley casserly...It's about time people realize he is NOT the answer.

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Understanding the issues with Campbell why hasn't Vinny gone after Jeff Garcia who would be obvious fit?

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[quote]OAKLAND, Calif. -- Mark Sanchez had to apologize for his sideline demeanor again. This time, he was hot-dogging it. Literally.


Sanchez shook off the worst start of his young career by running for one touchdown and throwing for another, before taking time to munch on a snack in the closing minutes of a 38-0 victory over the Oakland Raiders on Sunday.


Sanchez was criticized last week for looking dejected on the sideline while throwing five interceptions in an overtime loss to Buffalo. He was happy enough after this performance that he was caught by television cameras trying to discretely eat a hot dog at the end of the blowout.

"I want to apologize for that," he said. "I wasn't feeling very good and didn't eat much before the game, so I was feeling a little queasy. Toward the end of the game, I probably should have eaten one of those bars or something, but someone offered [a hot dog], so I grabbed it and tried to be discreet about it, but obviously not discreet enough. So I shouldn't have done that, and it won't happen again."[/quote]

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[quote=over the mountain;615256]the sad part is JC isnt even throwing it on time when his first read receiver is open open.

ive posted on here a couple times that imo JC needs his first read to be open open for any passing play over 10 yds to click. apparently (atleast from this small sampling) shows that even when zorn calls a perfect play, the reciever runs a good route and JCs first read is open, he still doesnt get the ball out on time.[/quote]

I've been a big JC supporter on this site but watching that video it really cements one of the criticisms that I've had which is that he's way too robotic. You can almost see him thinking too much thru his reads and not, as Charley said, trusting his eyes. Even on some of his worst missed throws (the poorly thrown fades to Kelly vs. St. Louis and TB, the missed pass to Moss across the middle vs. KC) it's almost like he's fighting against himself to make throws because he's not sure. It'd be a shame to see his tools go to waste but I am afraid that's what is going to happen for him in DC.

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turn the page bring in Garcia!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;615311]turn the page bring in Garcia![/quote]

What's the point in bringing in a 39 year old who has never played under this variation of the WCO? If that's the case, why not bring in Dilfer who played under Zorn in Seattle?

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I agree with Casserly that Campbell is a square peg being forced into a round hole with the change to a WCO under Zorn. I've wondered how Campbell would have continued to progress in the Al Saunders system, for which his skills seem a much better fit. Joe Flacco is looking pretty damn good in that system with Cam Cameron and Saunders coaching him up.

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I heard Casserly on the Dan Patrick show this morning, and Casserly basically said the same thing: this offense doesn't fit with Campbell's strengths. He said that JC would be better in a downfield, play-action type scheme along with moving him around, rolling him out more.

One day, I think we'll look back and recognize that the first mistake that got this whole thing rolling downhill was the hiring of Jim Zorn as offensive coordinator. Going from a completely different offense apart from the one that Gibbs ran, which is why he spotted and selected Jason Campbell in the first place, and switching to a West Coast style offense may have set JC back immeasurably.

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[quote=over the mountain;615245][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM"]YouTube - Charlie Casserly Says Jason Campbell Is "Too Indecisive"[/URL]

charlie casserly's break down of JC . . . sounds like alot of us on here. the defense of JC is becoming indefensible imo.

go skins!![/quote]

Playcalling hasn't been the best but when you've got a QB that can't pull the trigger then you've got a bad offense. I don't think this is the best offense for JC but I remember Sonny saying that if you can play QB in the NFL then it doesn't matter what system you're in. In his 5 years here I don't think I've ever seen JC throw a ball before the wr comes out of his break.

On a side note Charley Cassery is so much sharper than Vinny C. that it's painful.

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[quote=Beemnseven;615321]I heard Casserly on the Dan Patrick show this morning, and Casserly basically said the same thing: this offense doesn't fit with Campbell's strengths. He said that JC would be better in a downfield, play-action type scheme along with moving him around, rolling him out more.

One day, I think we'll look back and recognize that the first mistake that got this whole thing rolling downhill was the hiring of Jim Zorn as offensive coordinator. Going from a completely different offense apart from the one that Gibbs ran, which is why he spotted and selected Jason Campbell in the first place, and switching to a West Coast style offense may have set JC back immeasurably.[/quote]

Gibbs brought in Saunders to "modernize" the offense so it was really the offense Saunders was running.

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that video was dead on target. sadly, i miss Casserly. we need him back.

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Campbell has been indecisive, and it's been one of the bigger reasons why the offense has struggled in this four game stretch.

Just a reminder that no ones career is defined by a notably poor stretch. When Donovan McNabb retires, people aren't going to remember that he quarterbacked the Eagles teams that lost to the Giants, tied the Bengals, and got blown out by and benched against the Ravens. Yet, all those things were true. They're just non-essential characteristics of who Donovan McNabb is.

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I agree that JC would likely be better off on another team/system . But , his deep ball accuracy is horrible , I think he needs to sit behind Peyton or Favre for a couple of years and relax , enjoy the NFL and hope when his time comes he looks great .

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[quote=budw38;615432]I agree that JC would likely be better off on another team/system . But , his deep ball accuracy is horrible , I think he needs to sit behind Peyton or Favre for a couple of years and relax , enjoy the NFL and hope when his time comes he looks great .[/quote]I think the best thing for Campbell's career is if someone (anyone) would just correct the glaringly obvious issues with our offense and he could pitch a very good second half of the season.

Of course, what you can't fix over an entire offseason, probably can't be fixed in two weeks.

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We're gonna rally up and kick off in that Philly A$$!!!!!!!! Lets have a little positive attitude!!! Im tired of all this negativity!!! We are supposed to lose!!! But what if we win?? Itl be a shocker!! And thats why they play the game!!! Cant wait! Lets do this!! COme on Defense----Defense----Defense!!! Capital punish!! Make the feathers fly!! I still think Lewis will pull out some old Tecmo Bowl plays!!!

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;615438]We're gonna rally up and kick off in that Philly A$$!!!!!!!! Lets have a little positive attitude!!! Im tired of all this negativity!!! We are supposed to lose!!! But what if we win?? Itl be a shocker!! And thats why they play the game!!! Cant wait! Lets do this!! COme on Defense----Defense----Defense!!! Capital punish!! Make the feathers fly!! I still think Lewis will pull out some old Tecmo Bowl plays!!![/quote]

That's what's up!

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[quote=SouperMeister;615320]I agree with Casserly that Campbell is a square peg being forced into a round hole with the change to a WCO under Zorn. I've wondered how Campbell would have continued to progress in the Al Saunders system, for which his skills seem a much better fit. Joe Flacco is looking pretty damn good in that system with Cam Cameron and Saunders coaching him up.[/quote]

Didn't he run "a version" of the West Coast offense in College? Seemed to do well enough there.

Maybe he's just confused because he's been in six different systems since he's been a pro...

There are a myriad of reasons the Redskins stink right now. Campbell may not be playing perfectly, but he's hardly the main reason for the 2-4 record.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613626]hater is just as dumb as kool aid drinker[/quote]
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I hope everyone watched the BANG cartoon - flawed execution - it is hilarious!

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[quote=Buster;615199]Wow, I had NO IDEA Campbell was the person calling the stretch-left plays inside the 10 and running the ball in passing situations. I bet he's also the reason we're not trying fade routes to our tall WRs too!

Golly gee willikers...thanks for helping us understand this complipl...complloc...this hard football stuff! Glad someone here has fancy book-learnin'!


I'll update the stats again after the MNF game. Cutler laid another 3-interception rotten egg in the Bears' 45-10 beatdown by the Bengals and Sanchez was again mediocre as the Jets used the running game to the tune of 316 rushing yards to beat the Raiders.[/quote]

lol u mad

contrary to popular belief you don't have to score TD's just inside of the red zone... a few of these big passes that he's missing or never seeing could easily get us a score in the hands of thomas, kelly, etc

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;615453]Didn't he run "a version" of the West Coast offense in College? Seemed to do well enough there.

Maybe he's just confused because he's been in six different systems since he's been a pro...

There are a myriad of reasons the Redskins stink right now. Campbell may not be playing perfectly, but he's hardly the main reason for the 2-4 record.[/quote]

According to his Auburn's coach they altered the West Coast to suit JC's strengths

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81397a02&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Redskins' Campbell in tough spot following coaching shakeup[/url]

"Borges isn't buying that Campbell can't run the scheme because the West Coast system is what he ran at Auburn when Campbell blossomed. However, Borges said he tweaked the offense to take advantage of the powerful run game and Campbell's big arm. So, instead of dinking and dunking horizontally and relying on timing and receivers to make yards after the reception, Borges implemented more play-action and vertical passing.

"As much as we threw that underneath stuff, we could get it downfield," Borges said. "He could make all the throws; short, intermediate, deep. When he played in 2004, he played lights out. This kid threw almost 70 percent of his passes complete. What's phenomenal about it, his completions were over 10 yards an attempt. That's just not done. He's accurate. Matt Leinart won the Heisman at a 66 percent completion rate with a lower yards-per-catch."

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Wow at this point people are still defending Campbell? Amazing.

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First off, lets count up his dumb ass decisions during games. Then lets look at the amount of times hes fumbled. Now, the interceptions, and while we are at it, how many fucking times does he have to bitch out and throw the fucking ball to the redskin fans in the stands??? Ya, our fans can catch better than Kelly and Randel El, but its not a completion.

Ok, now for this overblown statistic, which anyone who has actually watched the games this year can attest to. I guarantee that at least 35% of JC's passes are checkdowns, because he doesn't want to throw the ball downfield.......Checkdown, Checkdown, Checkdown, Checkdown.........JC is nothing more than an above average career backup, and its time these idiots running the team recognize this and start moving in another direction so our team can take a step towards achieving greatness, cause I can tell you right now, with JC at the helm, do not expect playoffs, and if you ever expect him to win a super bowl, you are just plain smoking some fuckin crack.

Oh, I forgot.......Why don't I ever see JC yelling at his team???? Getting pumped up????Getting his team motivated?????? Being a leader?????

I'll tell you why, cause he is a timid little pussified boy who cant take charge of a team, and you cant be timid in the NFL and be a leader. Bottom line.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;615453]Didn't he run "a version" of the West Coast offense in College? Seemed to do well enough there.

Maybe he's just confused because he's been in six different systems since he's been a pro...

There are a myriad of reasons the Redskins stink right now. Campbell may not be playing perfectly, but he's hardly the main reason for the 2-4 record.[/quote]In college players get 10 yards open, defensive schemes aren't typically as advanced, etc

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[quote=Zerohero;615471]Wow at this point people are still defending Campbell? Amazing.[/quote]

Not necessarily defending him, but I'm not going to agree with those that think he is the reason why this team is 2-4 though.

Right now this whole organization is a joke, and the problems are much greater than the starting quarterback.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;615504]Not necessarily defending him, but I'm not going to agree with those that think he is the reason why this team is 2-4 though.

Right now this whole organization is a joke, and the problems are much greater than the starting quarterback.[/quote]I'm done. I've been a Campbell apologist for the last 2 years. He lost me on the check down when he had Moss for a TD on the pump and go. Casserly's right. Campbell leaves huge plays on the field by checking down too early. Even worse, he has reverted to the fumbling turnover machine that he was two years ago. The protection has been adequate tonight. There have been plays to be made. I'm FINALLY willing to admit that Campbell probably never had "it".

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[quote=SouperMeister;615936]I'm done. I've been a Campbell apologist for the last 2 years. He lost me on the check down when he had Moss for a TD on the pump and go. Casserly's right. Campbell leaves huge plays on the field by checking down too early. Even worse, he has reverted to the fumbling turnover machine that he was two years ago. The protection has been adequate tonight. There have been plays to be made. I'm FINALLY willing to admit that Campbell probably never had "it".[/quote]

McNabb left the same play on the field and he has been in the same offense for years. 6 sacks, no running still, and ARE turnover but JC is to blame.

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[quote=Green1;616597]McNabb left the same play on the field and he has been in the same offense for years. 6 sacks, no running still, and ARE turnover but JC is to blame.[/quote]

JC IS TO BLAME. Steve Young on ESPN and the other analysts puts the focus on his bad game.

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[quote=warriorzpath;616606]JC IS TO BLAME. Steve Young on ESPN and the other analysts puts the focus on his bad game.[/quote]

No running game. The Entire Oline needs replacing. So what is the answer T. Collins don't make me laugh

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[quote=warriorzpath;616606]JC IS TO BLAME. Steve Young on ESPN and the other analysts puts the focus on his bad game.[/quote]Steve Young was trying to blame the tip at the line INT on Campbell. Unfortunately, he couldn't think of a word long enough to defend that position.