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[quote=irish;606077]Exactly, they have to keep the TE in to help this line block. This O line is terrible and I cant see the O getting better until the line gets better.[/quote]

i hard to analyse the offense if you suck in the trenches!!!!! DRAFT O-LINEMEN!!!!

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[quote=number21isabadman;606072]and you guys all wondered why the pundits all picked the redskins to finish last in the division[/quote]

Or why we were 4 point underdogs today.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;605999]so how many more games do we have to lose for you all to say that seasons over?[/quote]

Ummmm its already over.

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we arent that good peaple. i love my team always have and always will but we just aint that good. bad call or not

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[quote=Paintrain;606081]That's college. C'mon guys, it's basic football knowledge. This place is frustrating sometimes.[/quote]You're right about the halo, as far a "basic" knowledge I'm glad you had that one memorized.

However, the NFL rule states: "[COLOR=#00007f][FONT=Arial]This includes interfering with the ball, [B]the receiver,[/B] [B]or the receiver’s path to the ball."[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR]

halo or not, it was a bad call.

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With Dallas' victory in OT, Redskins now are back in last place in NFC East. At least we play a winless team next week. Oh wait, that didn't work out too well for us this week.

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We are the worst coached team in the NFL, and our QB cannot seem to take charge without pissing his pants during audibles. Sorry fellas I am an official JC hater now. CYA next week. Die hard since 1968.

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redskins will finish 5 and 11 if we are lucky...Zorn is out, hopefully Blache is out, Campbell is out, I wish I could say Cerrato and DS are out but they're going to stay...

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The way Campbell was shuffling around in the pocket multiple times when he had no pressure, fumbling the ball........taking sacks when he shouldn't have, giving up on plays WAY too early and checking down every friggin completion, I just cant believe that there are still supporters in redskin nation out there that thinks we can win with JC at the helm. He is a career backup QB. He has shown me absolutely nothing other than the fact that he can lean on his defense and other players to make plays. And Im sure his receivers get tired of him making his mind up about who he is throwing to before he even snaps the fucking ball. Hes been in the league for what, over 5 years? Cant read a defense to save his life. (Yes, having Zorn and the offensive line he has doesnt help matters any, but that doesnt give him a pass for time after time getting plenty of opportunities to show something people thinks he has, only to be let down.) I mean, Can you get any more AVERAGE than this guy?

And Manning still put up very respectable numbers with a subpar OLine, so does Big Ben, Every week, and Aaron Rodgers line blows goats, but he puts the ball up there and does something with it.

Like Ive said in previous posts, where is this bullshit loyalty coming from for Campbell, anyways? Dont you all as fans want a playmaker, a qb that reads, reacts and makes things happen, other than one that is indecisive and has minimal impacts on games? Dont you want a leader?

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[quote=47FAN;606091]we arent that good peaple. i love my team always have and always will but we just aint that good. bad call or not[/quote]

But we also aren't that bad, I say draft 3 OL, a RB and LB and this team will be ready.

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[quote=Twilbert07;606093]With Dallas' victory in OT, Redskins now are back in last place in NFC East. At least we play a winless team next week. Oh wait, that didn't work out too well for us this week.[/quote]

Ba Zing!

The Chiefs aren't a terrible team. They almost beat a mediocre Dallas team and hung around on a good Ravens team.

But I think we might win since we're playing at home.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606088]i hard to analyse the offense if you suck in the trenches!!!!! DRAFT O-LINEMEN!!!![/quote]

Some thing else about the OL. The Skins are supposed to be a zone blocking team, right? Zone blocking depends on OL with that are fleet of foot. Yet our OL are most certainly not. Would it be better just to go back to a standard blocking?

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I don't have a problem with the defense. I just wish they would keep teams in check more. Today I think they played better, but it was against a mediocre team. Offensively everything sucks.

O-line
JC's decision making
WR routes
Sellers blocking
Nothing to Cooley
Play calls
Zorn

All these things are the issues. It's not one thing. People want to point their finger at one thing and say that's it we should have addressed it, but you can't. Collins might make a small difference but not much of one. Sit Sellers and who takes his place? They changed up the O-line due to need with out success. Go ahead and fire Zorn now and you've come to the conclusion that the season is over. Who takes over? Who will be willing to take over. Are you going to let them bring in their own coaching staff? How long will their scheme take to understand? Will Sherm Lewis take over and can he help this team?

There is just a lot of questions if we are going to scrap everything prior to the break. Atleast if you scrap things at the break the new HC has 2 weeks to impliment something. Or tweek what we already have. I feel if DS wants to do something I would look at firing Hixon and bring in an NFL proven WR's coach, speak with Buges as to why the O-line is not getting it done. Is it the blocking scheme, piss poor players, etc. etc. Maybe it's time to let him go and bring in a more WCO knowledgable O-line coach.

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So do we go with modular changes? I dare somebody to continue with the only 3 losses deal, come on right now. People talk about because of the fans being impatient we can't tear down and rebuild... what are the fans going to do? Go to the Ravens? We don't need those type of fans.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;606097]But we also aren't that bad, I say draft 3 OL, a RB and LB and this team will be ready.[/QUOTE



we need alot more than ol lb and rb. like coachs qb

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;606046]Zorn's press conference is awful. He said he didn't know whether a call would be 4th and 2 or 5 or 7 etc, and so he had to wait, he can't call multiple plays and say pick one that fits???[/quote]
dude completely plays off of the sheet

there's no situational calling

this isn't even a horrible excuse for it.. it's horrible when they say it worked once so they let it sit there as that

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no qb? no question about rb and lb[/quote]

I think that if Campbell was protected that he could be a better player.

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[quote=Hijinx;606099]Some thing else about the OL. The Skins are supposed to be a zone blocking team, right? Zone blocking depends on OL with that are fleet of foot. Yet our OL are most certainly not. Would it be better just to go back to a standard blocking?[/quote]
This is what I keep wondering. Buges teaches and is more knowledgable with the man-to-man blocking scheme. WCO's usually utilize a more zone blocking scheme. Could some of our problems be the zone blocking and not having a more knowledgable O-line coach and players who are not suited for a WCO style of scheme?

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last year of contract? to me doesnt deserve a new one

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Record 2-3

Games left that we will not be at least 7 point underdogs:
Chiefs & Raiders

We will be lucky to finish 5-11.

Game review should be fun

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[quote=Gmanc711;606078]

Props to our defense today though. They were directly responsibile for 14 of our 17 points...

I cannot say enough bad things about our offense though.[/quote]

exactly, people want to fault a play making cb for a single whiffed tackle in the whole game though

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arent there modern offenses? no huddles? qbs who can call plays to how they feel the game is going? zorn your sheet is too small...your haircut too slick

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[quote=Mechanix544;606096]The way Campbell was shuffling around in the pocket multiple times when he had no pressure, fumbling the ball........taking sacks when he shouldn't have, giving up on plays WAY too early and checking down every friggin completion, I just cant believe that there are still supporters in redskin nation out there that thinks we can win with JC at the helm. He is a career backup QB. He has shown me absolutely nothing other than the fact that he can lean on his defense and other players to make plays. And Im sure his receivers get tired of him making his mind up about who he is throwing to before he even snaps the fucking ball. Hes been in the league for what, over 5 years? Cant read a defense to save his life. (Yes, having Zorn and the offensive line he has doesnt help matters any, but that doesnt give him a pass for time after time getting plenty of opportunities to show something people thinks he has, only to be let down.) I mean, Can you get any more AVERAGE than this guy?

And Manning still put up very respectable numbers with a subpar OLine, so does Big Ben, Every week, and Aaron Rodgers line blows goats, but he puts the ball up there and does something with it.

Like Ive said in previous posts, where is this bullshit loyalty coming from for Campbell, anyways? Dont you all as fans want a playmaker, a qb that reads, reacts and makes things happen, other than one that is indecisive and has minimal impacts on games? Dont you want a leader?[/quote]

Nuf said my friend, could not have said it any better, 4th year and still looks lost. Has anyone seen Chase Daniels?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;606105]no qb? no question about rb and lb[/quote]

I think that if Campbell was protected that he could be a better player.[/QUOTE]

Which is why Mack would have made sense.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;606097]But we also aren't that bad, I say draft 3 OL, a RB and LB and this team will be ready.[/quote]

great post...I can hear Vinny saying this before the draft next year...

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[quote=tmandoug1;606111]Nuf said my friend, could not have said it any better, 4th year and still looks lost. Has anyone seen Chase Daniels?[/quote]

do believe hes under the tutelage of the great brunell

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[quote=53Fan;606112]I think that if Campbell was protected that he could be a better player.[/quote]

Which is why Mack would have made sense.[/QUOTE]

Thank you!!

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[quote=tryfuhl;606103]dude completely plays off of the sheet

there's no situational calling

this isn't even a horrible excuse for it.. it's horrible when they say it worked once so they let it sit there as that[/quote]
That's cause Zorn is a "Cookie cutter" HC. Because he has not coached and called plays before he is going off of a play sheet and what it says he should do in any given situation. It's nice to have that as a guide but any really good experienced HC will only use that once and a while. Zorn is afraid to stray from the sheet. It's his security blanket. He can go to DS and Cerrato and say see my sheet says it's supposed to work which is why I called it.

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[quote=Paintrain;606081]That's college. C'mon guys, it's basic football knowledge. This place is frustrating sometimes.[/quote]
is it? my fault, never been a big college fan.. thought that nfl had that too

you wouldn't be so frustrated if we could perform

really you're nitpicking at the least thing that you can

re-focus your issues

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[quote=doughtydoubter;606110]arent there modern offenses? no huddles? qbs who can call plays to how they feel the game is going? zorn your sheet is too small...your haircut too slick[/quote]

Dude you could run the wishbone to the wildcat and [U][B]if you do not block[/B][/U] you do not move the ball.

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There are no words to express the degree of disappointment. Pitiful, just pitiful.

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[quote=SBXVII;606100]I don't have a problem with the defense. I just wish they would keep teams in check more. Today I think they played better, but it was against a mediocre team.[/quote]

I agree that the defense played better, but still giving up a fifteen point lead and allowing 18 points in a quarter and a half is bad. Especially for as good as our D is supposed to be. Carolina made some offensive adjustments and we didn't respond.

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Can't wait for GTripps analysis.........

"We sucked."

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At this point I would look to make a trade or look for some experience at OL, maybe Runyan if he's available?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606108]Record 2-3

Games left that we will not be at least 7 point underdogs:
Chiefs & Raiders

We will be lucky to finish 5-11.

Game review should be fun[/quote]

For sure. Our second half schedule is so brutal compared to the current stretch. I put the over under on games I'll stop watching at halftime at 4.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;606121]I agree that the defense played better, but still giving up a fifteen point lead and allowing 18 points in a quarter and a half is bad. Especially for as good as our D is supposed to be. Carolina made some offensive adjustments and we didn't respond.[/quote]


UMMMMMMMMMMMMM they were on the field all day, and the points they gave up were because of offense and special teams,,,,,watch the game dude.

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i say we boycott the skins...im not giving dan another dollar in tix, merchandise or hotdog sales till something is done

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[quote=tmandoug1;606086]Please stop blaming the loss on the refs, it makes you look little league![/quote]

WHAT!?!? Little league? WTF is little league?! the refs made a blantlanty bullshit call that led to eight points for our opponent. And its "little league" to say that? Its not little league its holding the officiating crew accountable for their actions! Its telling the NFL that they have a real problem with bad calls. Have you ever heard, "Let the players play the game"? This game wasn't decided by players. It was decided by officials. Thats bullcrud! Thats wrong! Thats fixed! Its alot of things. But, it sure as heck ain't....................."little league".

What the heck is "little league"?

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If it wasn't for the Defense today you can scratch 14 points. This offense is just sad.

SOUP and Zorn are a package deal and will both be gone. Zorn already has one foot out the door, the next one will follow before months end.

And yes the O-Line needs a major overhaul!

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;606121]I agree that the defense played better, but still giving up a fifteen point lead and allowing 18 points in a quarter and a half is bad. Especially for as good as our D is supposed to be. Carolina made some offensive adjustments and we didn't respond.[/quote]

Dont forget that the D did not them once and special teams/ bad ref call gave the ball back to Carolina in the red zone. Hard to come up with back to back stops when the other team starts at the 12.