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[quote=SmootSmack;649843]

Also, we might be adding Rick Dennison as OL coach, Bobby Turner as RB coach, and Jeff Goodman as Director of Pro Personnel, while Brown gets bumped up to Director of Player Personnel and Scott Campbell is shown the door. All very speculative at this point[/quote]

Who? Who? And who? And what's the director of player personel do? I thought you had a pro guy and a college guy and they both reported to the gm... Does the player guy oversee the pro guy and the college guy? So who would our college guy be? And what's wrong with Scott Campbell?

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[quote=Lotus;649878]Buges has meant a lot to our organization over the years. He deserves a dignified retirement.[/quote]

Yup well said

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On a side note. ;)

[url=http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/100104-kyle-shanahan-texans]Texans' Shanahan Ready to Join Dad | MyFoxHouston.com[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;649846]Totally serious. If they win would they get the bye? I think there are other NFC teams that have the bye and I don't think any were NFC East teams. Most likely they would have faced Dallas again. Why go out and play your hand? If they lose they knew they would get Dallas and would have more current film to study as to how they would be played. If they lose you don't think Dallas is going to say hey it worked lets just keep up the good work. Practice the same routine for the play offs and have the Eagles come out and stop everything your trying to do. Basically ensuring them a pass to the second round.

Yep I guess I'm just crazy. I most likely am wrong but I don't like either team. It will be funny if I'm right though. The Eagles come out and blast Dallas in the play offs. ;)[/quote]

That game was for the division and a first round bye. Philly got straight up pimp slapped.

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Good ole Wikipedia, First with the news, before its real!

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Shanahan]Mike Shanahan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[QUOTE]Michael Edward Shanahan (born August 24, 1952) is a current American football head coach. [B]Shanahan is the current head coach for the Washington Redskins.[/B] He led the Broncos to back-to-back Super Bowl victories in 1997 and 1998. His son is the Houston Texans Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan. [B]The Redskins are excited for his debut and are also excited to see what the new coach will do with the team.[/B][/QUOTE]
for a laugh look at his yearly win loss records

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;649893]Good ole Wikipedia, First with the news, before its real!

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Shanahan]Mike Shanahan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


for a laugh look at his yearly win loss records[/quote]

it's a lock snyder edited his page :)

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Oh you don't think Shanahan is in DC? LOL...

[url=http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/Shanahan-Arrives-in-DC-on-Redskins-Plane-80646392.html]Shanahan Arrives in D.C. on Redskins' Plane | NBC Washington[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;649878]Buges has meant a lot to our organization over the years. He deserves a dignified retirement.[/quote]

Absolutely. I saw the same thing Wolfskins saw and I hope they're correct.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;649844]someone asked why switch to a 3-4, it was rumored that Shanahan and his former DC where investigating that type of defense. Although Ryan is in year one of his contract, he may be fired along with mangini by holmgren to bring people that fit his mold[/quote]

I'd think that Zimmer would probably prefer to run the 4-3 which he did except for when Parcells had him go 3-4 in Dallas.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649881]Who? Who? And who? And what's the director of player personel do? I thought you had a pro guy and a college guy and they both reported to the gm... Does the player guy oversee the pro guy and the college guy? So who would our college guy be? And what's wrong with Scott Campbell?[/quote]

Dennison-current OL coach in Denver, was OC in Shanahan's last year. Before that I forget what he'd been doing

Turner-Been the RB coach in Denver I think for almost a decade

Jeff Goodman-Was the Assistant GM in Denver after a couple of years as Southeast Scout I believe. Young up and comer

Titles could change or be different. But the Player Guy generally focuses more on college, particularly the draft process. Sometimes they can be called Director of College Scouting for example.

Nothing wrong with Scott Campbell. It's becoming evident though that he's a good lieutenant but maybe not much more.

Still...all very speculative

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wasn't it scott campbell who found Horton in the draft?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;650226]wasn't it scott campbell who found Horton in the draft?[/quote]


Everyone is so pumped about Horton, I bet you forget his name in a couple years. Flash in the pan. He will be as meaningful as Zorn's 6-2 start.

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2 years in and giving up on Horton already?

I think he can become a Doughty type of player. Solid, not spectacular, but definitely the kind of guy you want on your team in terms of work ethic and effort.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;650226]wasn't it scott campbell who found Horton in the draft?[/quote]

I think it was more Jim Zeches (West Coast Scout) but in all honesty it was really former Redskins coach DeWayne Walker who said "check out this guy"

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So ESPN sent out a text from Schefter that says "Mike Shanahan summoned his agent to negotiate contract with Redskins"

Here is my question: Does this mean that there is a sticking point that the agent needs to work through, or is it just the final step of the process?

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Sounds like it means Shanahan is ready to go, now he's handing if off to his agent to handle the contract negotiations.

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So who will be our Special Teams coach?

Bobby April?

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[quote=Lotus;650294]So who will be our Special Teams coach?

Bobby April?[/quote]

Wouldn't that be something

Montag and Allen will meet this afternoon for all those wondering and concerned that Snyder isn't letting Allen do his job.

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[quote=SmootSmack;650298]Wouldn't that be something

Montag and Allen will meet this afternoon for all those wondering and concerned that Snyder isn't letting Allen do his job.[/quote]

Who's picking up Montag at the airport though? hmmmmm

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[quote=Mattyk;650300]Who's picking up Montag at the airport though? hmmmmm[/quote]

Well if it's Snyders limo then we know Snyders got his hands all over this! Why'd he even hire a GM? :blah:......j/k.

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[quote=SmootSmack;650298]Montag and Allen will meet this afternoon for all those wondering and concerned that Snyder isn't letting Allen do his job.[/quote]

I don't know that Heidi Montag counts as a HC candidiate. :)

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[quote=tryfuhl;650067]I'd think that Zimmer would probably prefer to run the 4-3 which he did except for when Parcells had him go 3-4 in Dallas.[/quote]

speaking of zimmer, profootballweekly just ranked him the 2nd best DC in the league. he would be a great addition here.

[url=http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/01/04/ranking-the-defensive-coordinators]ProFootballWeekly.com - Ranking the defensive coordinators[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;650300]Who's picking up Montag at the airport though? hmmmmm[/quote]

Schneed is...but he's taking his sweet ass time getting there

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[quote=Mattyk;650288]Sounds like it means Shanahan is ready to go, now he's handing if off to his agent to handle the contract negotiations.[/quote]
:goodjob: Dan!

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PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;650326]PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...[/quote]

What hole? No salary cap on coaches -- it's DS' money, and he can spend it any way he wants... Not a lot of resistance to hiring Shanahan on this site or anywhere around town. So who really cares about money for coaches?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;650326]PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, [B]we're deeper in the hole than ever[/B]...[/quote]


Why? That makes no sense. Will we not be able to ever hire a coach again?

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[quote=SmootSmack;650309]Schneed is...but he's taking his sweet ass time getting there[/quote]

LOL

Were you just trying to see if I was paying attention?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;650326]PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...[/quote]

Some of you guys kill me with the whinning, This guy is proven, he will make us a contender, his Offensive mine is never i question, has never been, he only has been out for 1 year, and you are worth whatever you can get.... any doubt that he knows how to make the best out of average players, Look a Cutler, he looks average now without Shanahan, mike bell is a back up in N.O. Clinton portis, has been solid, but never that top running back we thought he was at Denver.... Please let the man come in and do his magic.....

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[quote=Schneed10;650332]LOL

Were you just trying to see if I was paying attention?[/quote]

Haha...no, just wanted to give you a shout out :)

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;650326]PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, [B]we're deeper in the hole than ever[/B]...[/quote]
why? Snyder is loaded to the gills, and has already proven he will spend money.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;650326]PFT was saying the rumor is MORE than $10 mil per year. That is just retarded money. And, unless we have to fire him "for cause," (thank you Al Davis) that money is all guaranteed. So if Shanny crashes and burns, we're deeper in the hole than ever...[/quote]

shanahan's teams have never been perennial contenders like Cowhers, but he's never "crashed and burned." his teams were generally "in the mix" in weeks 14-17. the big positive of signing shanahan to a large, garaunteed contract is we will have stability on offense for atleast 5 years. with that stability, hopefully we can develop a franchise QB and put points up on the board regularly.

in the worst-case scenario with shanahan, we're trading a perennial top 10 defense for a perennial top 10 offense. We'll also have a team run by someone who is an unquestioned leader.

I am still adamant that Cowher is a far superior coach to Shanahan and we should be doing everything possible to sign him instead. That said, locking Shanahan up for 5 years and making it next to impossible for Snyder to grow impatient and fire him early is "the next best thing." its certainly a step in the right direction.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650345]shanahan's teams have never been perennial contenders like Cowhers, but he's never "crashed and burned." his teams were generally "in the mix" in weeks 14-17. the big positive of signing shanahan to a large, garaunteed contract is we will have stability on offense for atleast 5 years. with that stability, hopefully we can develop a franchise QB and put points up on the board regularly.

in the worst-case scenario with shanahan, we're trading a perennial top 10 defense for a perennial top 10 offense. We'll also have a team run by someone who is an unquestioned leader.

I am still adamant that Cowher is a far superior coach to Shanahan and we should be doing everything possible to sign him instead. That said, locking Shanahan up for 5 years and making it next to impossible for Snyder to grow impatient and fire him early is "the next best thing." its certainly a step in the right direction.[/quote]

Cowher isn't that great... I don't see anyone beating down his door, to coach their team, what it took him 13 years to win a Superbowl, if the Rooney's wern't so patient, he would have been fired by any other organiztion, have anyone thought, outside of buffalo, no team has come running his way, all summer I have been hearing about teams that possilbly wanted Shanny. By the way Mike Tomlin did in two years what it took Cow-herd to do in 13, his staff is great, that's why some are still in Pittsburg..... if you put a great D, which is what we have, with a Shannahan offense, what you go is a year in and year out..... top 10 team. and maybe a couple of Superbowls?

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Not too much new here, but interesting speculation, nontheless:

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/01/05/mail/index.html?eref=sihp]Mike Shanahan will have hands full rebuilding Redskins - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=Nomad;650349]Cowher isn't that great... I don't see anyone beating down his door, to coach their team, what it took him 13 years to win a Superbowl, if the Rooney's wern't so patient, he would have been fired by any other organiztion, have anyone thought, outside of buffalo, no team has come running his way, all summer I have been hearing about teams that possilbly wanted Shanny. By the way Mike Tomlin did in two years what it took Cow-herd to do in 13, his staff is great, that's why some are still in Pittsburg..... if you put a great D, which is what we have, with a Shannahan offense, what you go is a year in and year out..... top 10 team. and maybe a couple of Superbowls?[/quote]

No one's beating down Shanahan's door either... except us. There are only two superbowl head coaches out there now and only two vacancies. Its not rocket science to understand whats going on...

As to records, Cowher's record is [U]vastly[/U] superior to Shanahans. Tomlin won a superbowl with a team built by Cowher. Just like Shanahan won a superbowl with a team built by his predecessor. Just like Gruden won one built by his. [B]Cowher's teams were in the playoffs 10 out of 15 years (66%). Shanahans were in 7 out of 16 (43.7%)[/B]

Its a "what have you done for me lately league," so how do these two stack up? [B]Cowher retired on his own after going 34-14 (0.708 winning percentage) in his past 3 years.[/B] Shanahan was fired with something like 21MM and 3 years left on his contract. He was ran out of town by one of the most patient owners in football. Why? [B]Shanahan's record in the last 3 years - 24-24 (0.500).[/B]

In his past 10 years, shanahan made the playoffs 4 times. In three of those instances, they lost in the WILD-CARD ROUND. [B]In ten years, Shanahan's teams advanced past the wild card round ONCE. [/B] For comparison - Cowher's last 10 years - 2 AFC Division Game Losses. 2 AFC Championship Game Losses. 1 Superbowl Victory. [B]In the most recent 10 years, Cowher's teams made it to [U]atleast[/U] the 2nd round of the playoffs FIVE TIMES.[/B]

Based on their history, with Shanahan, we'll be in the playoffs less than half the time with a record that hovers a little above or below 500. With Cowher, we'd be in 2 out of every 3 years. Both are upgrades over what we had with Zorn. But if you want to compare the two, its not even close. Cowher is the vastly superior coach.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650345]shanahan's teams have never been perennial contenders like Cowhers, but he's never "crashed and burned." his teams were generally "in the mix" in weeks 14-17. the big positive of signing shanahan to a large, garaunteed contract is we will have stability on offense for atleast 5 years. with that stability, hopefully we can develop a franchise QB and put points up on the board regularly.

[B]in the worst-case scenario with shanahan,[/B] we're trading a perennial top 10 defense for a perennial top 10 offense. We'll also have a team run by someone who is an unquestioned leader.

I am still adamant that Cowher is a far superior coach to Shanahan and we should be doing everything possible to sign him instead. That said, locking Shanahan up for 5 years and making it next to impossible for Snyder to grow impatient and fire him early is "the next best thing." its certainly a step in the right direction.[/quote]

Cowher is "far superior" to Shanny? I don't know about that. In terms of notoriety, their marquee status, I'd say they're about even, with Shanahan getting the edge with two Lombardi trophies to Cowher's one. Cowher's team had the classic Super Bowl hangover -- Mike did it back to back, and that's tough to do no matter who your QB is.

If Shanahan is your "worst case scenario", I'd say you're in for quite a disappointment.

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[quote=Beemnseven;650376]Cowher is "far superior" to Shanny? I don't know about that. In terms of notoriety, their marquee status, I'd say they're about even, with Shanahan getting the edge with two Lombardi trophies to Cowher's one. Cowher's team had the classic Super Bowl hangover -- Mike did it back to back, and that's tough to do no matter who your QB is.

If Shanahan is your "worst case scenario", I'd say you're in for quite a disappointment.[/quote]


Just move on BHA is a Negative Nancy.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650374]No one's beating down Shanahan's door either... except us. There are only two superbowl head coaches out there now and only two vacancies. Its not rocket science to understand whats going on...

As to records, Cowher's record is [U]vastly[/U] superior to Shanahans. [B]Tomlin won a superbowl with a team built by Cowher. [/B]Just like Shanahan won a superbowl with a team built by his predecessor. Just like Gruden won one built by his. Cowher's teams were in the playoffs 10 out of 15 years (66%). Shanahans were in 7 out of 16 (43.7%)

Its a "what have you done for me lately league," so how do these two stack up? Cowher retired on his own after going 34-14 (0.708 winning percentage) in his past 3 years. Shanahan was fired with something like 21MM and 3 years left on his contract. He was ran out of town by one of the most patient owners in football. Why? Shanahan's record in the last 3 years - 24-24 (0.500).

Based on their history, with Shanahan, we'll be in the playoffs less than half the time with a record that hovers a little above or below 500. With Cowher, we'd be in 2 out of every 3 years. Both are upgrades over what we had with Zorn. But if you want to compare the two, its not even close. Cowher is the vastly superior coach.[/quote]

Wrong. Tomlin and Cowher won with teams built by Kevin Colbert, the general manager.

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[quote=Beemnseven;650381]Wrong. Tomlin and Cowher won with teams built by Kevin Colbert, the general manager.[/quote]

And Shanahan never won a thing with a team he built as defacto GM - the same thing he'd be here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650383]And Shanahan never won a thing with a team he built as defacto GM - the same thing he'd be here.[/quote]

Never said that he did.