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Philly is just cleaning house...McNabb, Westbrook, Sheldon Brown, Darren Howard, Shawn Andrews former Redskin Clemons. Times are changing up there.

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Yes we offered AH. It was mentioned half way through last nights discussions. Probably around page 20 somewere.

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At least Donovan will pull the trigger, JC is a little bitch when it coes to throwing the ball downfield.


CHeckdown, checkdown, throw away, throw away, fumble......

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[quote=Miller101;682906]I think this is a dumb move. Quarterback is not the issue with this team. Offensive line is. Campbell didn't have time to make any throws last year and our running backs got less then four yards a carry. Its pathetic! Our Offensive line is one of the worst in the league and we get a quarterback? Freakin dumb! Just dumb! This draft class is one of the deepest I've seen for lineman and yet we trade away one of those draft picks for an old man? Its dumb!

[B]Allen, Shanahan, and Haslett have blown up this team.[/B] They switch from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 and cut everybody that they could think of. And then get an old man for a quarterback? You only do that if you're team is pretty well set. You only do that if your defense is practically there, if your offensive line is practically there, you have a pretty good receiving corps and some pretty good running backs. Then adding an old salty veteran quarterback is a good thing. Then he'll get you over the hump and get you into the playoffs. Then he'll make your team better. But, now? We don't have any talent to beat anybody!!! Why in the heck would we do this now? Its stupid. We're rebuilding and We traded away two picks which we could use to build our team for an old guy that is not going to do much better :madani: ................................I need a beer!

One thing is for sure though. Danny still runs this team. Not the business side, but the players side. He still runs it. And Vinny does too! :doh:

This deal just reaks of Danny and Vinny working together........................I need to get drunk![/quote]

heaven forbid a new regime makes some drastic changes to a squad that went 4-12 in the previous year. :doh:

and the notion that danny is still working with vinny is a double :doh:

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Wtf?!?!

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[quote=Counter-Tre;681989]That is insane. I am in shock. I never thought it would happen.[/quote]
:screama:

Me too. I don't even know how to feel about it.

On the bright side, I talked to the BIGGEST, DIEHARD EAGLES FAN I KNOW this morning and she said "After 31 years, I've had enough". She has been a huge McNabb fan since her fellow Eagles fans acted like idiots when they drafted him...she rooted for him as an underdog. She's now going to support him on the Redskins and said she's had enough with the Eagles sabotaging their team. She mentioned trading Dawkins, letting Westbrook go, even this weekend with trading away 2 defensive starters in Chris Gocong and Sheldon Brown.

(Yes, she's a woman but actually one of the more knowledgeable football fans I know...she goes to Canton for vacations, seriously.)



I'm in shock. I have never been able to stand McNabb and think his best years are behind him as I was telling a Raiders fan on Friday (I thought for sure he'd go to Oakland).

I don't like giving up a 2nd-round pick for him because the O-line needs that pick.

However, I think I'd rather let the Shanahan/McNabb combo try to bring a Super Bowl than have us draft Bradford or Claussen and miss out on Okung. Now it looks like Okung is a lock for the #4 pick, which I love. If somehow Okung is not there at #4, we could trade down with a team like the 49ers and end up with 2 first-round picks to use on 2 linemen...because there are a lot of good ones available this year.



So, I'm at a wait-and-see. I am wondering if we should keep JC around, because McNabb doesn't play 16 games anymore. I don't want to rely on Rex Grossman.


I just pray this backfires on Philly, and I believe it will. You don't trade good players inside your division! I have no clue what they're thinking.

I even had a Steeler fan say they hope McNabb succeeds in Washington and he goes into the HOF as a Skin. Hey...if he finally gets his only Super Bowl win here...

Colt Brennan...nice knowing you. Thanks for the preseason memories.

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[quote=johno;682914]heaven forbid a new regime makes some drastic changes to a squad that went 4-12 in the previous year. :doh:

and the notion that danny is still working with vinny is a double :doh:[/quote]

I know right, changes to a 4-12 team! Say it ain't so!

Snyder didn't have anything to do with this at all. Or Vinny.

But I guess we have to get used to the fact there will always be a group of folks out there convinced that Snyder is somehow always involved despite what logic and reality says.

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[quote=skinsfan69;682911]Philly is just cleaning house...McNabb, Westbrook, Sheldon Brown, Darren Howard, Shawn Andrews former Redskin Clemons. Times are changing up there.[/quote]

Like Peter King said, the team had become stale and changes need to be made.

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Anybody else get the sense that this could be similar to the 98-99 season? We sucked in 98, then got a fairly successful veteran in Brad Johnson and won the division.

Different coaching situation obviously, but the QBs aren't all that dissimilar.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);682909]A true comparison of JC and the CURRENT form of DM is not a collection of all McNabb ever did, but a question of what they did with what they worked with. Can McNabb do better with what Campbell had?

J[B]ason's best receiver, Santana. NcNabb's? DeSean Jackson
Advantage to McNabb. His best receiver is younger, faster, and constantly broke away for 40+ yard gains.

#2 and 3 receivers. Jason had Randel el and two revolving knuckleheads who took turns TRYING to step up. Donovan had Jeremy Maclin and Avant.
Advantage McNabb. Those two guys stepped up whenever needed and made plays.
[/B]
Celek has more yards and touchdowns than Davis and Cooley combined, but Davis dropped a few that Cooley may have taken to the house. i would say that Cooley and Celek are on the same level if Cooley doesn't have to block all the time and can be used in the passing game. We'll call this a tie.

O-Line... Obviously advantage McNabb. Though not the best at run blocking, they pass blocked with the best of them.

HB!? without Portis, Advantage McNabb. People feared Westbrook and planned a whole week around him. Nobody plans for Betts, ha ha ha! (I'm so glad he's gone)

Coaching staff... bwa ha ha ha ha!!! I wonder who gets the advantage there!?! Zorn... really? HA! The man was a worse coach than he was a quarterback, and that is saying a lot since i think 70 or 80% of his seasons he didn't throw more TDs than INTs. Loser. His playcalling was abysmal and his locker presense was about as strong as that of a back-up kicker. Hip Hip Hooray my @$$.

Offense... McNabb was in a system that he had been in for over a decade. It's a version of the west coast that he's used to get to 5 championships... FIVE!!! Jason was using a crappy version that was easily figured out by opposing defenses and was NOT geared toward him or his existing receiving corps. They didn't even utilize the TE fully until Cooley was hurt. And THAT was mainly Jason saying "Screw these guys, i'd rather watch Fred Davis catch a short one than see Kelly drop a long one.
Advantage McNabb

Now with as good of a tight end, a better coach, better receiving core with a younger and faster star receiver, better pass blocking, better running back, in a familiar/better offense with a better coaching staff... How much better did Donovan do?

Not much.

So, if he was here, how many hits could he have taken? Would he have been around for the saints game? He sucked against them with his better team, but no, Todd Collins probably wouldn've played because McNabb would've been injured again. take a look at how many full seasons he's played in the last few years.

Honestly, How much better did Donovan do in his far better situation than Jason? They almost did the SAME!?!?![/quote]

Yeah but who did he have before them?? not counting the one yr he had T.O McNabb only had stopgap players to throw to and still got his team to NFC Champ games. Just sayin.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);682909]A true comparison of JC and the CURRENT form of DM is not a collection of all McNabb ever did, but a question of what they did with what they worked with. Can McNabb do better with what Campbell had?

Jason's best receiver, Santana. NcNabb's? DeSean Jackson
Advantage to McNabb. His best receiver is younger, faster, and constantly broke away for 40+ yard gains.

#2 and 3 receivers. Jason had Randel el and two revolving knuckleheads who took turns TRYING to step up. Donovan had Jeremy Maclin and Avant.
Advantage McNabb. Those two guys stepped up whenever needed and made plays.

Celek has more yards and touchdowns than Davis and Cooley combined, but Davis dropped a few that Cooley may have taken to the house. i would say that Cooley and Celek are on the same level if Cooley doesn't have to block all the time and can be used in the passing game. We'll call this a tie.

O-Line... Obviously advantage McNabb. Though not the best at run blocking, they pass blocked with the best of them.

HB!? without Portis, Advantage McNabb. People feared Westbrook and planned a whole week around him. Nobody plans for Betts, ha ha ha! (I'm so glad he's gone)

Coaching staff... bwa ha ha ha ha!!! I wonder who gets the advantage there!?! Zorn... really? HA! The man was a worse coach than he was a quarterback, and that is saying a lot since i think 70 or 80% of his seasons he didn't throw more TDs than INTs. Loser. His playcalling was abysmal and his locker presense was about as strong as that of a back-up kicker. Hip Hip Hooray my @$$.

Offense... McNabb was in a system that he had been in for over a decade. It's a version of the west coast that he's used to get to 5 championships... FIVE!!! Jason was using a crappy version that was easily figured out by opposing defenses and was NOT geared toward him or his existing receiving corps. They didn't even utilize the TE fully until Cooley was hurt. And THAT was mainly Jason saying "Screw these guys, i'd rather watch Fred Davis catch a short one than see Kelly drop a long one.
Advantage McNabb

Now with as good of a tight end, a better coach, better receiving core with a younger and faster star receiver, better pass blocking, better running back, in a familiar/better offense with a better coaching staff... How much better did Donovan do?

Not much.

So, if he was here, how many hits could he have taken? Would he have been around for the saints game? He sucked against them with his better team, but no, Todd Collins probably wouldn've played because McNabb would've been injured again. take a look at how many full seasons he's played in the last few years.

Honestly, How much better did Donovan do in his far better situation than Jason? They almost did the SAME!?!?![/quote]

I couldn't agree more with you man! McNabb is done by week six! Its going to be his ribs! Campbell is going to be so pissed off that he's gone already so we're going to have Rex Grossman step up.....................LOL!

He's going to throw seventeen interceptions by the third quarter! And as if thats not enough he's going to fumble the ball eleven times! Mark my words He's going to be so scared of getting hit that he will just start throwing the ball away.

Teams will like him so much that they will gameplan, not to kill him, but to hit him. Just hard enough to make him fumble or throw it up there.................................Man, I need to get drunk.

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RT @darrellgreen28: My respect for #Redskins is at all time (post Gibbs glory days) high. I believe again. Can't wait to see how it unfolds.

only posting for interest, not agreement.

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[quote=johno;682914]heaven forbid a new regime makes some drastic changes to a squad that went 4-12 in the previous year. :doh:

and the notion that danny is still working with vinny is a double :doh:[/quote]

Well said, I dont understand how people didnt expect the roster not to be completely blown apart. 4-12 campaign and a period before of mass inconsistencies at every position on the field...these guys never won us a thing and were grossly overpaid. Shanny and Bruce are going to want "their guys", so IMO so far, so good. My only hope besides a trade now for JC, icing on the cake would be Portis and that contract to be cut after camp.

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Adam_Schefter

McNabb has 3rd-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks (83-45-1, .647) behind Manning (119-59, .669) and Brady (88-25, .779).

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[quote=johno;682914]heaven forbid a new regime makes some drastic changes to a squad that went 4-12 in the previous year. :doh:

and the notion that danny is still working with vinny is a double :doh:[/quote]

Dude, read my post. I'm not saying that blowing up this team was a bad thing. I just said that adding a veteran quarterback to a team that is rebuilding is a HORRIBLE THING!!! We need those picks to draft lineman and linebackers. We're 3-4 right? We need more linebackers too! This is dumb! And Pathetic! And yes, Vinny orchestrated this deal. I know he did!

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[quote=SBXVII;682912]Yes we offered AH. It was mentioned half way through last nights discussions. Probably around page 20 somewere.[/quote]And don't think that the FO didn't leak that to light a fire under Haynesworth's fat ass. With the moves that the FO is making to win now, he had better report to camp in game shape. His conditioning last season was a disgrace.

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SI_PeterKing

PFT's report that Haynesworth was discussed in Wash-Phil deal is 100 percent true.

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MattBowen41 RT @RickMaese @ESPNRadio980
Following are interested in Jason Campbell: Buffalo, Carolina, Oakland, Jacksonville and unknown team.

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Sheesh, ESPN980 is just obsessed on the fact that AH was dangled on the McNabb trade :doh:

Why do they have to come off as such pricks all the time?

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Let the Campbell wheeling and dealing begin! Campbell has been a class act through and through. I wish him the best of luck wherever he goes, well unless he plays us!

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[quote=Ruhskins;682936]Sheesh, ESPN980 is just obsessed on the fact that AH was dangled on the McNabb trade :doh:

Why do they have to come off as such pricks all the time?[/quote]

Drama sells.

I'm sure other players were discussed too

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;682937]Let the Campbell wheeling and dealing begin! Campbell has been a class act through and through. I wish him the best of luck wherever he goes, well unless he plays us![/quote]

Yeah, Campbell is gone. How long do you think he takes his other team to the superbowl? Rich Gannon, Trent Green, and Brad Johnson....................Now, Jason Campbell. I'm thinking that unkown team is Arizona and its going to take him two years.

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[quote=Mattyk;682939]Drama sells.

I'm sure [B]other players[/B] were discussed too[/quote]

Exactly! Landry was also in the discussions apparently.

I swear, this is why I only listen to Football Today. I think both sports stations are crap in this area.

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[quote=Beemnseven;682922]Anybody else get the sense that this could be similar to the 98-99 season? We sucked in 98, then got a fairly successful veteran in Brad Johnson and won the division.

Different coaching situation obviously, but the QBs aren't all that dissimilar.[/quote]

Well, Shanahan is the best coach in decades we've had not named Joe Gibbs.

We now have 3 RBs who could ALL excel in a shared role, especially under Shanny's offense. We'll pass less than Andy Reid, so McNabb will have less of a responsibility than he's used to. Our D is going to be solid as usual.

We'll definitely be better than the Eagles, who just dismantled their team and have a big question mark with Kolb and no defense.

The Giants are usually in turmoil and that probably won't change. They massively underachieved last season after assembling what looked like the best defensive line in the NFL.

The Cowboys still have Wade Phillips and Tony Romo to choke things away.



Things are looking up for us.

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[quote=Mattyk;682929]Adam_Schefter

McNabb has 3rd-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks (83-45-1, .647) behind Manning (119-59, .669) and Brady (88-25, .779).[/quote]

And no rings to show for it.

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[quote=diehard;682944]And no rings to show for it.[/quote]

Takes more than ONE man. either way, he is an upgrade.

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822 replies, this has got to be a record thread.

What a shocker. I can't even grasp all of this. I used to think McNabb was overrated. I came around and think he's a pretty damn good asset.

Now, for the Skins, I don't really know what to think here. Does he renogiate his contract? He's only good for 2010. Did we give up a 2nd and a 3rd/4th rounder for 1 year? I would think not. I think McNabb has several good years left in him. I think i've got to reserve judgement to see if we have him more than 1 year.

He immediately makes us better. We still don't have an oline. We are still missing some key pieces. We still need to build thru the draft, but we don't have really any picks left besides #4. Hmmm...

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;682947]Takes more than ONE man. either way, he is an upgrade.[/quote]

What puts this into perspective is knowing there are guys listed under McNabb who have won at least ONE...

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^^I posted this last night on like the fourth page about LaRon and Albert being used as trade bait for this trade.

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[quote=Miller101;682930]Dude, read my post. I'm not saying that blowing up this team was a bad thing. I [B]just said that adding a veteran quarterback to a team that is rebuilding is a HORRIBLE THING[/B]!!! We need those picks to draft lineman and linebackers. We're 3-4 right? We need more linebackers too! This is dumb! And Pathetic! And yes, Vinny orchestrated this deal. I know he did![/quote]

I think Allen and Shanahan don't believe in rebuilding. They think they can win now with this roster. You don't bring in Mike Shanahan for a rebuilding project. Allen said that he expects guys to play better and we know they'll be coached better. Oline is still a huge concern so I'm sure they have a plan for that. Let's wee what happens on draft day. I'm still hoping for Brandon Marshall!!!! McNabb to Marshall! OK I'll stop dreaming.

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I gotta go update my roster. I've never played with McNabb as my QB before...

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[quote=diehard;682944]And no rings to show for it.[/quote]

At least he has gotten close enough to a Championship to choke in one. This franchise hasn't even sniffed a Championship game in almost 20 years. Yes, it has almost been 20 years!

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Or now do the skins go Dez in the draft? and get a OT with the JC trade?

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[quote=diehard;682944]And no rings to show for it.[/quote]

That's how they do things in Philadelphia...you can't blame McNabb alone. You could blame Reid though. :D


Losing is their tradition.

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[quote=redsk1;682951]822 replies, this has got to be a record thread.

What a shocker. I can't even grasp all of this. I used to think McNabb was overrated. I came around and think he's a pretty damn good asset.

Now, for the Skins, I don't really know what to think here. Does he renogiate his contract? He's only good for 2010. Did we give up a 2nd and a 3rd/4th rounder for 1 year? I would think not. I think McNabb has several good years left in him. I think i've got to reserve judgement to see if we have him more than 1 year.

He immediately makes us better. We still don't have an oline. We are still missing some key pieces. We still need to build thru the draft, but we don't have really any picks left besides #4. Hmmm...[/quote]

Good question...do we pay for a new contract? We better after giving up a 2nd-rounder.

If no cap...no problem...if anyone can afford him, it's us.

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[quote=Miller101;682930]Dude, read my post. I'm not saying that blowing up this team was a bad thing. I just said that adding a veteran quarterback to a team that is rebuilding is a HORRIBLE THING!!! We need those picks to draft lineman and linebackers. We're 3-4 right? We need more linebackers too! This is dumb! And Pathetic! And yes, Vinny orchestrated this deal. I know he did![/quote]

there are only so many positions of need we can improve with the draft. some positions are going to require stop gap measures until we can find young talent.

we were able to address a position of need with the 3rd winningest QB in the league right now for a 2nd round pick+a 3/4th next year. we now can confidently can take a guy for the oline in the 1st to address the other most glaring need.

i dont even want to ask, but i will. what proof do you have that "vinny orchestrated this deal?"

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So has the Bradford visit been canceled yet?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;682966]So has the Bradford visit been canceled yet?[/quote]

No he's still coming in.

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I just hope Larry Johnson, Donovan McNab, & Willie Parker dont turn out to be Trung Canidate, Jeff George, and TJ Duckett.

Im soooooooooooooooo trying to be optomistic but it sure seems like we are doing the same things we have done for years.

And i know D-Mac is wayyyyyyy better that George.

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[quote=johno;682965][B]there are only so many positions of need we can improve with the draft.[/B] some positions are going to require stop gap measures until we can find young talent.

we were able to address a position of need with the 3rd winningest QB in the league right now for a 2nd round pick+a 3/4th next year. we now can confidently can take a guy for the oline in the 1st to address the other most glaring need.

i dont even want to ask, but i will. what proof do you have that "vinny orchestrated this deal?"[/quote]

Thats EXACTLY my point! Only so many positions that we can fill through the draft and now, we throw away even more of those positions for an old man that is not going to do much better than a guy we already have.

And about Vinny..........................I just know it. I know he had something to do with this deal. He's back, I know he is. Because this deal has Vinny Cerato's sig on it.