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It sucks that this case got so much publicity way before trial. Certainly didn't help that myself and likely a good amount other people found out about it when Wade and LeBron brought awareness to it after Gabrielle Union told Wade about it in spite of only very basic facts being known.

I mean its so hard to sort through who has an agenda and what the cold hard facts are. At the very least though I've believed for a while now that Zimmerman should be convicted of manslaughter. Mainly because we know that he was told not to pursue Martin and he did anyway leading to the situation we have now.

Anything beyond that is tricky. Yes Zimmerman was punched but he wasn't punched as nearly as many times as he said and his head certainly wasn't slammed repeatedly into concrete. It's possible that Martin initiated the first exchange of words and may have even backtracked to hit Zimmerman.

It also doesn't help that both have less then stellar character references. Zimmerman has the 2005 arrest and an accusation of domestic violence. Martin suspended for a pot residue bag at school and rumors of him punching a bus driver.

Regardless it's a huge mess. Hopefully whatever the verdict we don't end up with another riot.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1014660]It sucks that this case got so much publicity way before trial. Certainly didn't help that myself and likely a good amount other people found out about it when Wade and LeBron brought awareness to it after Gabrielle Union told Wade about it in spite of only very basic facts being known.

I mean its so hard to sort through who has an agenda and what the cold hard facts are. At the very least though I've believed for a while now that Zimmerman should be convicted of manslaughter. Mainly because we know that he was told not to pursue Martin and he did anyway leading to the situation we have now.

Anything beyond that is tricky. Yes Zimmerman was punched but [B]he wasn't punched as nearly as many times as he said and his head certainly wasn't slammed repeatedly into concrete.[/B] It's possible that Martin initiated the first exchange of words and may have even backtracked to hit Zimmerman.

It also doesn't help that both have less then stellar character references. Zimmerman has the 2005 arrest and an accusation of domestic violence. Martin suspended for a pot residue bag at school and rumors of him punching a bus driver.

Regardless it's a huge mess. Hopefully whatever the verdict we don't end up with another riot.[/quote]

First, I think most of what you've said incredibly reasonable.

As for the bolded part, just don't know whether we can say with any [I]certainty[/I] that Zimmerman "wasn't punched as nearly as many times as he said and his head certainly wasn't slammed repeatedly into concrete." Even the prosecutor's medical expert, who testified on direct that the lacerations were consistent with a single strike against the concrete, admitted on cross exam that they could have resulted from multiple strikes against concrete and that Martin could have punched Zimmerman multiple times.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1014660]Regardless it's a huge mess. Hopefully whatever the verdict we don't end up with another riot.[/quote]

Agree 100%.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1014666]Agree 100%.[/quote]

no where near being a riot you guys are so ill informed about what caused the LA riots. It was the fact [people were tired of the long history of he LA PD and that was the last straw. riots don;t happen off of isolated incidents. Frustration has to build up over time. But that won't fit into Rush Limbaugh narrative, not as entertaining. He is gonna do some time not sure how much though. His rectum is gonna be re-sized.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1014660]It sucks that this case got so much publicity way before trial. Certainly didn't help that myself and likely a good amount other people found out about it when Wade and LeBron brought awareness to it after Gabrielle Union told Wade about it in spite of only very basic facts being known.

I mean its so hard to sort through who has an agenda and what the cold hard facts are. At the very least though I've believed for a while now that Zimmerman should be convicted of manslaughter. [B]Mainly because we know that he was told not to pursue Martin and he did anyway leading to the situation we have now. [/B]

Anything beyond that is tricky. Yes Zimmerman was punched but he wasn't punched as nearly as many times as he said and his head certainly wasn't slammed repeatedly into concrete. It's possible that Martin initiated the first exchange of words and may have even backtracked to hit Zimmerman.

It also doesn't help that both have less then stellar character references. Zimmerman has the 2005 arrest and an accusation of domestic violence. Martin suspended for a pot residue bag at school and rumors of him punching a bus driver.

Regardless it's a huge mess. Hopefully whatever the verdict we don't end up with another riot.[/quote]

How do we know that?

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They say all of this was caused by one blow to the back of the head. Then we have the pic of his face which shows he suffered a broken nose.

[IMG]http://www.ihatethemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/zimmerman-head-e1337429735256.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VGKStTUH4eI/UNFcDQ2llyI/AAAAAAAACq0/fUG-nayX0ZE/s1600/zimmerman+head+3.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1014668]His rectum is gonna be re-sized.[/quote]

Check out the homoerotic imagination on G84C!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1014652] Nonetheless, and despite their certainty, someone is wrong and there is simply no way to [I]prove[/I] who it is.[/quote]

Can't they tell via voice analysis?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1014644][B]That's just tough - so many variables. If it's a jury of Chico's or OTM's, he is likley to be found guilty of manslaughter. If it's a jury of G84C's, 2nd degree. If it's a jury of me's, likely to be innocent.[/B]

I am going to say not guilty on the 2nd degree and manslaughter. A jury of women will be sympathetic to the death of a child, but not so much so as to outweigh their need for solid proof before condemning another man to prison.

My degree of confidence in this prediction is pretty low. Zimmerman is no saint and we have a dead kid. It's just a tragedy that could have been avoided by both.[/quote]


Unfortunately we are still without robot juries.

Feel free to change you prediction prior to any decisions are known/made.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1014684]Can't they tell via voice analysis?[/quote]

I know there was discussion but remember reading that, due to the other sounds on the recording, there simply was not enough tape of the "clean" sample to get a reasonably reliable analysis. Both sides had experts but pretty sure both were prohibited b/c they couldn't say anything to a "reasonable degree of scientific certainty".

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Wow. Marvelling at the prosecution's fumbling attempts to discredit certain statements.

Defense has recalled two of the detectives who interviewed Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin. Apparentlly, when Martin heard the tapes with the screaming while being interviewed by the Detectives, Tracy gave some indication that it wasn't Trayvon. The defense is attempting to get Tracy's hearsay statements into evidence (obviously, they aren't going to call Tracy as a defense witness - no way he admits that is what was he meant (see prosecutor's final questions below)).

First detective is not allowed to say what Tracy said and is dismissed.

Second detective (Serino) says, based on Tracy's response when he interviewed Tracy and played the tape, Serino was believed that Tracy didn't think the screaming was Trayvon. Serino's statement:
[Serino] describes Tracy Martin's response: "I let him listen first before I asked anything. I believe my words were, ‘Is that your son’s voice in the background’ or I think I said it a little differently than that," said Serino. He describes Tracy Martin's response: "It was more of a verbal and non-verbal. He looked away and under his breath, as I interpreted it, said, ‘No.’"

I think, but am not sure, the hearsay statement was allowed because the judge considered it a statement of "present sense impression" by Martin that affected Serino's continuing investigation rather than a simple statement such as was probably made to the first detective. I don't think it should have come in, but I can see many a judge ruling in the same fashion.

It's bad evidence for prosecutor. Rather than rolling with it and moving on, prosecutor really highlights Tracy's denial:

[quote]"You stated it was under his breath," said de la Rionda.

"Yes, sir," said Serino.

"You interpreted it as he said, 'No,'" said de la Rionda.

"Yes sir," said Serino.

[B]"You didn't flat out hear the word 'no' unequivocally?" asked de la Rionda.

"I heard it and saw the movement of his mouth," said Serino.[/B]

"Your opinion is he said, 'No,'" said de la Rionda.

"Yes sir," said Serino.

Serino agrees with de la Rionda that saying, "No," could be seen as denial when being told or hearing that a loved one is dead. De la Rionda has concluded his cross-examination.[/quote]

[url=http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/08/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-10]Zimmerman’s friends on 911 call: 'It's George' | HLNtv.com[/url]

I mean, you (1) reemphasized the bad evidence and (2) let the detective give an even stronger statement that Tracy denied it was Trayvon's voice. Sure, you get the tag at the end "well, he may have been saying blah blah", but the jury has now heard Serino TWICE testify that Trayvon's own father said it wasn't Trayvon on the tapes.

Leave it, move on. It's a losing point regardless. No one knows who was screaming on the tape with any degree of certainty and Tracy CLEARLY did not say it WAS Trayvon [I]or you would have called him prosecution.[/I]

Point Zimmerman.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1014668]no where near being a riot you guys are so ill informed about what caused the LA riots. It was the fact [people were tired of the long history of he LA PD and that was the last straw. riots don;t happen off of isolated incidents. Frustration has to build up over time. [B]But that won't fit into Rush Limbaugh narrative, not as entertaining. He is gonna do some time not sure how much though. His rectum is gonna be re-sized[/B].[/quote]


Whats your narrative based on?

I don't think anyone expects a full blown riot like we experienced in LA 20 years back. But unfortunately most of us are without a JoeRedskins to inform them with the realities of the case. So i think its reasonable to believe that their may be some civil disobedience, because at the end of the day there are many people who also let their ignorance of facts guide their decision making.

If Zimmerman gets acquitted I think it would be completely reasonable to expect a few flash mobs (non-Glee style). I think you could see something slightly worse if he gets off because of a Stand Your Ground immunity verdict by the judge. The worst case scenario, id imagine, is if you were to have a white or a white Hispanic person shoot and kill a black teen while defending themselves against a flash mob or mini-riot.

Either way im sure Sanford and FL are ready for it.

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I am confused why this tape and who heard whose voice matters given the fact that Zimmerman himself said the voice wasnt his voice. I would think Zimmerman's perception matters more than the grieving parents of Martin or Zimmerman's mother.

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[quote=saden1;1014716]I am confused why this tape and who heard whose voice matters given the fact that Zimmerman himself said the voice wasnt his voice. I would think Zimmerman's perception matters more than the grieving parents of Martin or Zimmerman's mother.[/quote]

[quote=saden1;903241]You guys disgust me. I'm done talking about this case.[/quote]

Oh, you came back. Shame.....

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[quote=saden1;1014716]I am confused why this tape and who heard whose voice matters given the fact that Zimmerman himself said the voice wasnt his voice. I would think Zimmerman's perception matters more than the grieving parents of Martin or Zimmerman's mother.[/quote][URL="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-zimmerman-walks-police-through-shooting-of-trayvon-martin-full-tape-played-in-court/"]“Somehow, he got on top of me,” Zimmerman said. “That’s when I started screaming for help.”[/URL]

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[quote=mlmpetert;1014713]If Zimmerman gets acquitted I think it would be completely reasonable to expect a few flash mobs (non-Glee style).[/quote]

If we don't get an updated version of the Jets and Sharks a la West Side Story I'll be very upset. Lots of finger snaps and some magnificent glaring.

"Be cooooool!"

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There is no shame in enlightenment, there is in ignorance and malice.

I am taking bets on zimmerman getting convicted of at least manslaughter...you in?

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[quote=mlmpetert;1014713]Whats your narrative based on?

I don't think anyone expects a full blown riot like we experienced in LA 20 years back. But unfortunately most of us are without a JoeRedskins to inform them with the realities of the case. So i think its reasonable to believe that their may be some civil disobedience, because at the end of the day there are many people who also let their ignorance of facts guide their decision making.

If Zimmerman gets acquitted I think it would be completely reasonable to expect a few flash mobs (non-Glee style). I think you could see something slightly worse if he gets off because of a Stand Your Ground immunity verdict by the judge. The worst case scenario, id imagine, is if you were to have a white or a white Hispanic person shoot and kill a black teen while defending themselves against a flash mob or mini-riot.

Either way im sure Sanford and FL are ready for it.[/quote]

You expect a riot, that is your expectation. I just do not agree. Why would ther be a riot? Jumping the shark. SMDH.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1014719][URL="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-zimmerman-walks-police-through-shooting-of-trayvon-martin-full-tape-played-in-court/"]“Somehow, he got on top of me,” Zimmerman said. “That’s when I started screaming for help.”[/URL][/quote]

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-cant-hear-himself-on-911-call-2013-7]George Zimmerman Can't Hear Himself on 911 Call - Business Insider[/url]

People change thier tune once they realize thier freedom is at stake. Zimmerman has proven to be an unscrupulous character so you will have to execuse me for not giving him a pass.

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[quote=saden1;1014723][url=http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-cant-hear-himself-on-911-call-2013-7]George Zimmerman Can't Hear Himself on 911 Call - Business Insider[/url]

People change thier tune once they realize thier freedom is at stake. Zimmerman has proven to be an unscrupulous character so you will have to execuse me for not giving him a pass.[/quote]From your own link: "I didn't take it as denial. I took it as not recognizing his own voice," Serino said.

You never had that kind of reaction hearing yourself recorded, saden?


edit: Just to be clear, Zimmerman has always said he was the one yelling for help on the tape. Listening to the tape with a cop...

[U]When lead detective for the Sanford, Fla. police department Chris Serino played the recording for Zimmerman during questioning, Zimmerman said, "That doesn't even sound like me," Serino told jurors Monday.

Mark O'Mara, lead attorney for the defense then asked Serino if he thought Zimmerman was in denial.

"I didn't take it as denial. I took it as not recognizing his own voice," Serino said.[/U]

How saden turns, what seems to me a normal reaction to hearing yourself on tape, into denial that Zimmerman was the one screaming... I don't know.

Now that's just what Zimmerman and his neighbors say, but to claim Zimmerman "changed his tune" is pretty dishonest on Saden's part.

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[quote=saden1;1014723][URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-cant-hear-himself-on-911-call-2013-7"]George Zimmerman Can't Hear Himself on 911 Call - Business Insider[/URL]

People change thier tune once they realize thier freedom is at stake. Zimmerman has proven to be an unscrupulous character so you will have to execuse me for not giving him a pass.[/quote]

He didn't recognize his voice, that doesn't equate to being unscrupulous.

I know from your earlier coments you just want him found guilty and locked up for life. Your bigotry is astounding, given the evidence presented in the trial so far.

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And now the [URL="http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/08/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-10"]Judge is allowing the evidence of Martin's pot use.
[/URL]
There goes the innocent kid angle.

I see the case for the Prosecution circling the drain. Hope the jury understands what they're hearing and don't just go with a 'Guilty' from the heart.

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I guess we should flush his "that doesn't sound like me" statement down the toilet too? The heart doesn't really come into play, just facts of the case and how insane it is to have someone like Zimmerman stalking people talking about they "always get a way with it" and shooting kids in the heart in the name of self-defense go free.


So no go on a bet? Pussy!

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[quote=saden1;1014731]I guess we should flush his "that doesn't sound like me" statement down the toilet too? The heart doesn't really come into play, just facts of the case and how insane it is to have someone like Zimmerman stalking people talking about they "always get a way with it" and shooting kids in the heart in the name of self-defense go free.

So no go on a bet? Pussy![/quote]Flush nothing out, including what the detective who was actually talking to Zimmerman at the time said.

In your post above, you flushed out the whole issue of Zimmerman being in the neighborhood watch (he called a lot of people in, for better or worse, without an incident), and whether the kid attacked him or vice-versa. You are flushing out a lot of important points in your diatribe, saden.

I assume you're talking to RR about your bet of conviction for manslaughter or above, but I'd like ask people about that: The charge is murder 2, so manslaughter's not even in play this trial, right?

Could be a real easy bet for you to take, RR. I don't think Zimmerman's getting convicted of any murder charge. I feel like betting is taking sides too much, but unless there's some very good evidence that appears (video of the confrontation would be a godsend one way or the other) it doesn't look good for saden's bet.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1014733]Flush nothing out, including what the detective who was actually talking to Zimmerman at the time said.

In your post above, you flushed out the whole issue of Zimmerman being in the neighborhood watch (he called a lot of people in, for better or worse, without an incident), and whether the kid attacked him or vice-versa. You are flushing out a lot of important points in your diatribe, saden.

I assume you're talking to RR about your bet of conviction for manslaughter or above, but I'd like ask people about that: The charge is murder 2, so manslaughter's not even in play this trial, right?

Could be a real easy bet for you to take, RR. I don't think Zimmerman's getting convicted of any murder charge. I feel like betting is taking sides too much, but unless there's some very good evidence that appears (video of the confrontation would be a godsend one way or the other) it doesn't look good for saden's bet.[/quote]


Oh lord... if you're going to talk about facts and people going on diatribe and thinking with their hearts you aught to know that manslaughter is in play. It will be presented by the prosecutor for sure and the judge will allow it and the only thing left is whether the jury will knock down 2nd degree murder to manslaughter.

Forget RR, you can get that easy money too!

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[quote=saden1;1014734]Oh lord... if you're going to talk about facts and people going on diatribe and thinking with the hearts you aught to know that manslaughter is in play. It will be presented by the prosecutor for sure and the judge will allow it so the long thing left is whether the jury will knock down 2nd degree murder to manslaughter.

Forget RR, you can get that easy money too![/quote]Didn't know it was possible for the prosecution or judge to introduce a lesser charge now. Thought it was just one count of murder 2. [URL="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/118562269/George-Zimmerman-Information"]LINK[/URL] (I think the defense can plea bargain a lesser offense, but I don't think they'd do it when they're probably looking for acquittal in this case.)

To the more knowledgeable posters here, like JoeR, could manslaughter be in play this trial? If not, yeah I think you made a poor bet, saden.

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As I understand it, the lesser, incorporated, offense is always in play. Thus, manslaughter is in play.

Saden1 - what's your bet? As I said, my confidence level is low but once the pot use gets admitted, its increasing. Do you honestly think murder2 is in play at this point?

I will bet $200, cash money, that he is found innocent of murder 2.

As to manslaughter, $25. I think that accurately reflects my confidence level of each.

As an aside ... my first defense WTF moment since the knock knock joke - why call Tracy Martin ... all you do is give him a chance to explain away his denial about recognizing Trayvon's voice, which he did. Had they not called him and simply left him as a rebuttal witness, you get to discredit his "Serino got it wrong". As it is, rather than a blot on the prosecutor's case, he becomes a non-factor.

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[quote=saden1;1014731]I guess we should flush his "that doesn't sound like me" statement down the toilet too? The heart doesn't really come into play, just facts of the case and [B]how insane it is to have someone like Zimmerman stalking people talking about they "always get a way with it" and shooting kids in the heart in the name of self-defense go free.[/B]

So no go on a bet? Pussy![/quote]

Really? Generalizations as proof of motive and actions? Can you use a few more emotionally charged words in your description while claiming "the heart doesn't come into play". Rather than actual analysis of specific facts, you're going to ignore the unhelpful and speculative facts brought out at trial and simply paint the picture of what happened that night with a broad brush?

I thought more highly of you.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1014668]no where near being a riot you [B]guys are so ill informed about what caused the LA riots.[/B] It was the fact [people were tired of the long history of he LA PD and that was the last straw. riots don;t happen off of isolated incidents. Frustration has to build up over time. But that won't fit into Rush Limbaugh narrative, not as entertaining. He is gonna do some time not sure how much though. His rectum is gonna be re-sized.[/quote]

You're such an arrogant ass. How do you know what I know about the LA riots? Neither mlmpetert or I said there [I]would[/I] be riots, we said that we hope there won't be any.

If you don't think the Sanford, FL African-American population does not have pent up grievances with the local police, you are the incredibly misinformed individual.

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I'll go on record and say if he is not charged with any crime there will be some form of unrest.

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I dont think they will be riots, but I believe there will be protests and deservedly so if Zim is found innocent on all charges. LA riots were completely a different thing. There werent just a few bad apples in the LAPD, most of the police officers were criminals with badges under a culture of corrupt that spread way beyond just the LAPD.

Why should there be protests? Well most people think you should not be able to shoot an unarmed child even if you are getting beat up in an arguement you provoked.

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[quote=Chico23231;1014775]Well most people think you should not be able to shoot an [B][I]unarmed child[/I][/B] even if you are getting beat up in an arguement you provoked.[/quote]

'Unarmed child'. Also referred to as 'the assailant'.

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[quote=saden1;1014721]There is no shame in enlightenment, there is in ignorance and malice.[/quote]

Which you've shown in abundance.

[quote=saden1;1014721]I am taking bets on zimmerman getting convicted of at least manslaughter...you in?[/quote]

Zimmerman is up for 2nd degree murder. I will bet you $1,000 (to be paid to my [URL="http://www.kintera.org/faf/home/default.asp?ievent=1070058"]charity[/URL] of choice, when I win) that he doesn't get convicted of 2nd degree murder.

I will also add the rider that the loser (You, saden1) has to use the following in their sig:
[U][B]
Hysterical bed wetter[/B][/U]

You can pick a sig for me in the unlikely event that I lose.

This will remain in place for the entirety of this football season.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1014783]'Unarmed child'. Also referred to as 'the assailant'.[/quote]

Was he committing a crime? Fact: No

Was he being harrassed by an unknown, creepy, armed man who hold zero authority over him? Fact: Yes

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[quote=Chico23231;1014790]Was he committing a crime? Fact: No[/quote]

Right up to the point where he got physical with Zimmerman, no, he was not. Once he assaulted Zimmerman, yes. FACT.

[quote=Chico23231;1014790]Was he being harrassed by an unknown, creepy, armed man who hold zero authority over him? Fact: Yes[/quote]

He was being followed, yes. Harassed? We haven't had evidence he felt threatened.

Martin didn't know Zimmerman was armed, didn't know Zimmerman had no authority. What was preventing Martin from running back to the apartment he was watching TV at? Nothing. He chose, inadvisedly, to confront Zimmerman. FACT.

Creepy? WTF does that have to do with anything?

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[quote=Chico23231;1014775]I dont think they will be riots, but I believe there will be protests and deservedly so if Zim is found innocent on all charges. LA riots were completely a different thing. There werent just a few bad apples in the LAPD, most of the police officers were criminals with badges under a culture of corrupt that spread way beyond just the LAPD.

Why should there be protests? Well most people think you should not be able to shoot an unarmed child even if you are getting beat up in an arguement you provoked.[/quote]

The way the PD handled the event was appalling. At the very least Zimmerman should have been arrested on the suspicion of murder.

Most people are too apathetic to riot. I can't imagine a situation where we (the silent majority) would show the Government our displeasure if it took more than a mouse click.

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[quote=Chico23231;1014790]Was he committing a crime? Fact: No

Was he being [B]harrassed by an unknown[/B], creepy, armed man who hold zero authority over him? Fact: Yes[/quote]

Sorry look up the def of harrassed. Talking about creepy wasn't it not Marting who used a racial slur. If it was the other way around thats all we would hearing about.

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Hey fight or flight response to someone armed who coulda been trying to rob him(trayvon). Trayvon shouldnt have done it, it was quick response to an unnormal situation. Remember Trayvon is dead he didnt chance to collect the facts after the incident.

I know its a novel concept to some, but black kids can be freaked out by old white guys following them. I guess the more accepted way of thinking is a young skittle toting child-thug Trayvon causing old white ladies to grip their purses a little tighter as he passes. Thats not the case here, and where the young thug totes skittles, the creepy coward Zim totes a pistol.

We good if the picture was vise versa? We good if thuged out, armed, Trayvon asking Zim what he up too and Zim has the skittles? Justice would be blind and impartial? Yeah, not in this country.

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[quote=Chico23231;1014795]Hey fight or flight response to someone armed who coulda been trying to rob him(trayvon).[/quote]

You're going to have to use punctuation and better grammar for us to make sense of what you're saying.

[quote=Chico23231;1014795]Trayvon shouldnt have done it, it was quick response to an unnormal situation.[/quote]

Good, we're getting somewhere. It's Martin's poor decision that led to his death.

[quote=Chico23231;1014795]Remember Trayvon is dead he didnt chance to collect the facts after the incident. [/quote]


[quote=Chico23231;1014795]I know its a novel concept to some, but black kids can be freaked out by old white guys following them. I guess the more accepted way of thinking is a young skittle toting child-thug Trayvon causing old white ladies to grip their purses a little tighter as he passes. Thats not the case here, and where the young thug totes skittles, the [B][U]creepy coward Zim[/U][/B] totes a pistol. [/quote]

Aaaaand, there goes your credibility. You're a bigot and you don't even know it.

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[quote=firstdown;1014794]Sorry look up the def of harrassed. Talking about creepy wasn't it not Marting who used a racial slur. If it was the other way around thats all we would hearing about.[/quote]

Apparently it only counts when it suits the purposes of race baiters.

This case has been worked so hard by the media I'm not surprised that some easily influenced fools are being led to a conclusion that the facts don't support.