Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1157071]Gruden/McVay need to scrap the red zone play book and build a brand new one from scratch. I don't think the coaches are putting Cousins in a good position to be successful in the red zone. Its really our only weakness on offense. We fix that, we are a top 3 offense in the NFL.[/quote]

They should be more creative with bootlegs or actually just running the fucking ball without gimmicks.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1157071]Gruden/McVay need to scrap the red zone play book and build a brand new one from scratch. I don't think the coaches are putting Cousins in a good position to be successful in the red zone. Its really our only weakness on offense. We fix that, we are a top 3 offense in the NFL.[/quote]

True. Our Red Zone plays SUCK. There is just no other way to assess it. McVay needs to get his head out of his ass and fix it. That's what he gets paid to do. Just FIX IT!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157072]They should be more creative with bootlegs or actually just running the fucking ball without gimmicks.[/quote]

Honestly. I don't think they need to get creative. They need to be more simple. Stop trying to spread it all out. Stop having player packages with Ryan Grant as the single wide and running the ball or using PA with him in.

Line up in your bread and butter aka 2 TE sets. With Either Reed on the line or our wide. Run between the tackles with Fat Rob or exploit the mismatch with your WR.

We are coming out in these bunch packages and super Wildcat crap and it's to cute. Just beat the team in front of you. We have the better offense 90% of the time. Just like in Green Bay.

Also, We haven't run the ball on 2nd down in the RZ all season. It's a huge tendency. Usually the sequence is..

1st down run
2nd down pass
3rd down pass

FG

Need to just be simple but not predictable

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157083]True. Our Red Zone plays SUCK. There is just no other way to assess it. McVay needs to get his head out of his ass and fix it. That's what he gets paid to do. Just FIX IT![/quote]

McVay has shown a great ability this year to script drives. How many 1st possessions march down the field with ease?

There is a pattern over the course of the year. Move the ball early, stall out, then move the ball late.

I'm really not sure if he is slow to make adjustments or perhaps he sticks to a script more than he should.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1157099]Honestly. I don't think they need to get creative. They need to be more simple. Stop trying to spread it all out. Stop having player packages with Ryan Grant as the single wide and running the ball or using PA with him in.



Line up in your bread and butter aka 2 TE sets. With Either Reed on the line or our wide. Run between the tackles with Fat Rob or exploit the mismatch with your WR.



We are coming out in these bunch packages and super Wildcat crap and it's to cute. Just beat the team in front of you. We have the better offense 90% of the time. Just like in Green Bay.



Also, We haven't run the ball on 2nd down in the RZ all season. It's a huge tendency. Usually the sequence is..



1st down run

2nd down pass

3rd down pass



FG



Need to just be simple but not predictable[/QUOTE]



Could not agree more. I said it last night. Dumb that shit down. Quick slants. Two tight ends. Run the ball. No spread. No fades. No god damn wildcat for christ sake.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

why not line up Trent when he returns along side Ty and dare them to stop us running behind that..and you could always fake the run and toss it if they think they got it figured out..we miss Fullback sometimes .

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I would start simply by having most plays begin with Cousins under center and at least one back in the backfield. That should be the base then design out from there. And lean heavily on the run and playaction passes. No more 5 wide crap. And definitely no wild cat play ever again.

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Honestly I'm not really surprised that Cousins is playing well and having success. He just needed a chance to play. Even when he was having struggles in 2014, you saw the glimpses of his potential when he was spot starting. All everyone wanted to focus on was the int's, and there was plenty of them. But there was also plenty of good too. I always felt that the bad would smooth itself out a bit if he got a full time opportunity.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

When you add age and talent together there might not be a quarterback in the league I would rather have right now. Anybody think of someone you would trade straight up for KC right now ? Again...consider the future. Brady Rodgers Big Ben all got years on him.

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I thought Cousins could be a solid QB but I never thought he could be the type to throw for 5000 yards and 30 TDS. Never. He's definitely exceeding my expectations.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157115]I thought Cousins could be a solid QB but I never thought he could be the type to throw for 5000 yards and 30 TDS. Never. He's definitely exceeding my expectations.[/QUOTE]
Same here. I figured he'd be a Chad Pennington but he's more brees

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1157112]When you add age and talent together there might not be a quarterback in the league I would rather have right now. Anybody think of someone you would trade straight up for KC right now ? Again...consider the future. Brady Rodgers Big Ben all got years on him.[/QUOTE]
Only one I'd probably take is Carr but that's a toss up IMO

If kirk breaks 5000 yards which is about 292 a game the rest of the way, and we win out, he should be in the MVP discussion

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[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2016[/url]

He is in elite company.

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Red Zone: I'm not sure if it's all on McVay or if Kirk is also to blame. To be honest, our o-line doesn't exactly blow people off the line in the Dallas game.

But, there have to be some simpler plays down there...a rollout/flood with a back side drag or just commit to the ground & pound and get it done.

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Not sure if anyone remembers Atlanta in 2013? He threw a couple of picks but he also almost had 400 yards and 3 td's on them. He had over 400 against Philly in 2014 and was making the kind of throws he's making now. There was also Jacksonville when Rg3 got hurt and Cleveland 2012. We all saw flashes of this when he was spot starting.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1157141]Not sure if anyone remembers Atlanta in 2013? He threw a couple of picks but he also almost had 400 yards and 3 td's on them. He had over 400 against Philly in 2014 and was making the kind of throws he's making now. There was also Jacksonville when Rg3 got hurt and Cleveland 2012. We all saw flashes of this when he was spot starting.[/QUOTE]



Baltimore when Griff got hurt.
Agreed though he showed flashes early for sure....
Thought u were talking about the game before Cleveland in 2012. Forgot about Jacksonville 13 though,....

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1157141]Not sure if anyone remembers Atlanta in 2013? He threw a couple of picks but he also almost had 400 yards and 3 td's on them. He had over 400 against Philly in 2014 and was making the kind of throws he's making now. There was also Jacksonville when Rg3 got hurt and Cleveland 2012. We all saw flashes of this when he was spot starting.[/QUOTE]
His first career start he had 300 yards and a win, or close to 300. Even though it was against Cleveland, after that game I said "he may be pretty good " thought he would get us a 2nd round pick, glad the team kept him

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Also let's give some major props to shanny, he drafted kirk and said from day 1 that kirk had big time potential. He also drafted TW and others.. Mike had a good plan in hand.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1157148]Also let's give some major props to shanny, he drafted kirk and said from day 1 that kirk had big time potential. He also drafted TW and others.. Mike had a good plan in hand.

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Too bad his ego got in the way and trying to be a GM, he had a few good picks but mostly busts.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1157148]Also let's give some major props to shanny, he drafted kirk and said from day 1 that kirk had big time potential. He also drafted TW and others.. Mike had a good plan in hand.

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The Trent Williams draft pick was not a slam dunk. He was not considered the best LT in the draft.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1157148]Also let's give some major props to shanny, he drafted kirk and said from day 1 that kirk had big time potential. He also drafted TW and others.. Mike had a good plan in hand.

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He also thought John Beck was the answer though. The guy was a good coach a long time ago when he had some important pieces in Denver. He has a way with the run game. That is about as many props as I can muster for the man....

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1157151]The Trent Williams draft pick was not a slam dunk. He was not considered the best LT in the draft.[/QUOTE]
It was between Him and okung

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1157153]He also thought John Beck was the answer though. The guy was a good coach a long time ago when he had some important pieces in Denver. He has a way with the run game. That is about as many props as I can muster for the man....[/QUOTE]
His coaching days past him by but he still knew talent obviously

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

OMG the John Beck days. I mean, it was so hard to get excited that year. Beck was such a phony. That game against the Bills in Toronto was one of my low points as a Redskin fan.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1157159]OMG the John Beck days. I mean, it was so hard to get excited that year. Beck was such a phony. That game against the Bills in Toronto was one of my low points as a Redskin fan.[/QUOTE]
Mine was the MNF game against the giants.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1157159]OMG the John Beck days. I mean, it was so hard to get excited that year. Beck was such a phony. That game against the Bills in Toronto was one of my low points as a Redskin fan.[/QUOTE]



Yeah it was just futile when he was in the game. I swear I remember wondering if he could throw the ball further than 20 yards because he never even attempted to.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1157161]Yeah it was just futile when he was in the game. I swear I remember wondering if he could throw the ball further than 20 yards because he never even attempted to.[/quote]

Mine was any time he threw a pass ever, didn't matter the game. He made me long for the Danny Wuerffel days lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1157159]OMG the John Beck days. I mean, it was so hard to get excited that year. Beck was such a phony. That game against the Bills in Toronto was one of my low points as a Redskin fan.[/quote]

Why in the hell did Shanahan go with Beck? I mean what did he see that we didn't see. I totally remember Beck and how i just had the worst feeling that year, i felt like we were basically held hostage by the QB position.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1157170]Why in the hell did Shanahan go with Beck? I mean what did he see that we didn't see. I totally remember Beck and how i just had the worst feeling that year, i felt like we were basically held hostage by the QB position.[/QUOTE]
Because he wanted to tank the season for picks

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Well this is at least a bit of good news...

[b] Report: Redskins will use franchise tag on Cousins absent long-term deal[/b]

[URL] http://www.thescore.com/news/1167073 [/URL]

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In 2011 Shanahan could have made a run a Gabbert or Ponder. He didn't. He knew they weren't worth drafting and waited a year for the better QB class.

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With all the talk of Cousins future contract how do you guys feel it will effect the other players and the cap situation..something will have to give ..what high paid redskins will become expendable and how will this effect the team.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1157197]With all the talk of Cousins future contract how do you guys feel it will effect the other players and the cap situation..something will have to give ..what high paid redskins will become expendable and how will this effect the team.[/QUOTE]
That's y u have to draft well and keep your own guys. Djax will probably be a casualty due to kirks deal

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=rocnrik;1157197]With all the talk of Cousins future contract how do you guys feel it will effect the other players and the cap situation..something will have to give ..what high paid redskins will become expendable and how will this effect the team.[/quote]

Saying goodbye to Hall, Lichtensteiger, Lauvao, Jackson, won't be hard. Should clear some cap space in addition to the cap space growing we will be fine. These guys can be replaced, Jackson too.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=kct1975;1157182]Well this is at least a bit of good news...

[b] Report: Redskins will use franchise tag on Cousins absent long-term deal[/b]

[url=http://www.thescore.com/news/1167073]Report: Redskins will use franchise tag on Cousins absent long-term deal | theScore.com[/url][/quote]

Thank God! Finally some great news regarding Cousins' situation.

So if he is tagged again, that is the last time they can tag him right, which means potentially in 2018 Kirk can sign with any team?

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1157208]Thank God! Finally some great news regarding Cousins' situation.

So if he is tagged again, that is the last time they can tag him right, which means potentially in 2018 Kirk can sign with any team?[/QUOTE]
No we could tag him a 3rd time. They will get a deal done though

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Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1157157]It was between Him and okung[/quote]

yup and shanny went with williams because he was faster and fit his zone blocking scheme better . . . thank goodness

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

tagging cousins again is a bad move, in my opinion. it could leave a bad taste in his mouth, and make him want to try free agency. his mindset could be the skins dont trust him, and want him to prove his play every year. no upper tiered QB would be ok with that

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

At this point, if we franchise him again it's essentially making his contract a 2yr 59Million guaranteed (24mil this year, FT value of 35mil next year.) We need to sign him up for 6 years, and get his guaranteed number around 75m.

He's making himself a very expensive qb. Still need to sign him.

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If we tag him at $24M next year, we'll still have another $26M in space BEFORE cutting Hall, Lichtensteiger and any others.

I've been saying this for a long time - salary cap is not a constraint now that McCloughan is building via the draft.