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[QUOTE=mooby;1196195]I really can't believe you're still stuck on Putin's trying to influence the election. That's old news now. Everybody not named Trump or House Republicans agree he did.

Bear with me for a moment because I know this is nothing more than a mere concept to us non-Mueller investigators. But what if the real concern isn't Putin doing whatever he can to get Trump elected, but Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank coming from illegal money laundering out of Russia? What if Trump owed Russian oligarchs connected to Putin money? You don't think owing debt to any Putin-connected Russian would be a serious conflict of interest as POTUS?

Seriously, ignore my theory if you must as I have nothing to back it up, but it's just starting to sound like you're tired of hearing Russia mentioned so you couldn't care less what they do, or who they did it with, or if there's any actual legit crimes there. Have you started thinking up an excuse for if/when Mueller completes the investigation and makes his recommendation to Congress? If you've ever watched any of those reality crime shows, it's a classic technique. Start at the bottom and keep flipping guys until you reach the guy at the top. Cohen is next. And as Trump's fixer, there really aren't that many guys left to flip.[/QUOTE]First, i do think russia tried to influence our election. I think they have been trying to influence our elections for as long as i can remember.

The DB angle is very plausible unfortunately, again the Soviets then, and russians now, certainly are not restrained from trying to blackmail or manipulate any one they can.

I still do think the overall effect is overblown by the hate trump media. So i will wait and withhold judgement until all the cards are laid out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196190]Move to Canada or Mexico.[/quote]




.........that would be what is best for the cult and fuck the country,if all the people in America who see the truth just moved out. I admit it would make it easier for trump to turn it over to putin.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196190]Move to Canada or Mexico.[/quote]

....great "critical thinking skills".:)

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[quote=Chico23231;1196182]

So the fear mongering and hyperbole is ridiculous...typical media sensationalism that some eat up.
.[/quote]

So who is doing it .....................

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/affd1c84-dc37-3bba-b9d4-d8e7dec63a50/ss_trump-complains-about.html[/url]



FOX makes up a BS stat and trump perpetuates it! Why , to deceive, misdirect and create fear and hate among voters and the American people but hey keep your head in the sand.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196198]....great "critical thinking skills".:)[/QUOTE]If having a court filled with justices who rely on the plain text meaning of our country's baseline legal document is scary to you, then moving to a country whose constitution and laws more closely align with your own. If people want a more federalistic socialistic nation, Canada is a very reasonable choice. If you have a strong desire to help struggling people in their own land Mexico might be a fine choice.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196201]If having a court filled with justices who rely on the plain text meaning of our country's baseline legal document is scary to you, then moving to a country whose constitution and laws more closely align with your own. If people want a more federalistic socialistic nation, Canada is a very reasonable choice. If you have a strong desire to help struggling people in their own land Mexico might be a fine choice.[/quote]

Since you seem to have the problem let me know how your move works out for you?

Seems your view of the Supreme Court is as skewed as your view of the President of the United States ,not surprising at all.

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Got to love it!


[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-york-daily-news-front-pages-2018-gallery-1.3732896]New York Daily News front pages of 2018 - NY Daily News[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196204]Since you seem to have the problem let me know how your move works out for you?[/QUOTE]You said a 6-3 supreme court balance is a dangerous thing, not me.


[QUOTE=Giantone;1196185]It's beyond scary,it's dangerous.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196206]You said a 6-3 supreme court balance is a scary thing, not me.[/quote]

Please reread that post I did edit it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196206]You said a 6-3 supreme court balance is a dangerous thing, not me.[/quote]

Yes I did and it is but please show me the post I said I would leave the country becuase of it,I'll wait.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196208]Yes I did and it is but please show me the post I said I would leave the country becuase of it,I'll wait.[/QUOTE]You didn't. I never claimed you did. I stated it bluntly as an obvious option you should consider if a 6-3 court dangerous to you.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196209]You didn't. I never claimed you did. I stated it bluntly as an obvious option you should consider if a 6-3 court dangerous to you.[/quote]

LOL, you don't get it, a 6-3 court is dangerous no matter who you are politically...left or right. Like Matty said ...it's not a good thing.

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[quote=Giantone;1196211]LOL, you don't get it, a 6-3 court is dangerous no matter who you are politically...left or right. Like Matty said ...it's not a good thing.[/quote]

Here is an interesting article. [url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/supreme-court-justices-get-more-liberal-as-they-get-older/[/url] One that, I think, you could use to make the argument that it is better to start with a conservative nominee who gradually moves to center, then a liberal nominee who will go deeper to one side. That's not the main argument of the article, that's my opinion derived from it

Wikipedia has an [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_leanings_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices"]article [/URL]with good pictures of how the SC has been composed over the course of our county. We have had a 7-2 split on the court one time and the country has survived. And in fact during 1970 - 80 the court was a conservative 6-3 or 7-2(around 1980), and our country turned several positive corners in those years.

There is no historical precedent to say that a 6-3 court is dangerous, none.

The funnier thing is that for [B]this current[/B] nomination, we aren't even talking about making the court 6-3. Just moving it to a 5-4 where Roberts, who is just above neutral by the analytics, becomes the swing vote.


from the wikipedia article
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Graph_of_Martin-Quinn_Scores_of_Supreme_Court_Justices_1937-Now.png/800px-Graph_of_Martin-Quinn_Scores_of_Supreme_Court_Justices_1937-Now.png[/IMG]

Another thing that graph seems to show, is that the country periodically goes through these "rebalancing periods" because the Justices do tend to age more towards more liberal decisions.

Pretty interesting studies for the 4th of July.

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In that picture, the dark black line is the chief justice, the yellow highlight line represents the median balance of the court. And the balance historically has stayed between slight liberal to slight conservative, regardless of the makeup of the court. Which for me highlights the seriousness with which all the justices take their tasks of interpreting and protecting the constitutional framework of our country.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196213]Here is an interesting article.

There is no historical precedent to say that a 6-3 court is dangerous, none.

.[/quote]

There is no "historical precedent" for trump presidency,doesn't mean he can't fuck up the country.

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[quote=mooby;1196195]I really can't believe you're still stuck on Putin's trying to influence the election. That's old news now. Everybody not named Trump or House Republicans agree he did.

Bear with me for a moment because I know this is nothing more than a mere concept to us non-Mueller investigators. But what if the real concern isn't Putin doing whatever he can to get Trump elected, but Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank coming from illegal money laundering out of Russia? What if Trump owed Russian oligarchs connected to Putin money? You don't think owing debt to any Putin-connected Russian would be a serious conflict of interest as POTUS?

Seriously, ignore my theory if you must as I have nothing to back it up, but it's just starting to sound like you're tired of hearing Russia mentioned so you couldn't care less what they do, or who they did it with, or if there's any actual legit crimes there. Have you started thinking up an excuse for if/when Mueller completes the investigation and makes his recommendation to Congress? If you've ever watched any of those reality crime shows, it's a classic technique. Start at the bottom and keep flipping guys until you reach the guy at the top. Cohen is next. And as Trump's fixer, there really aren't that many guys left to flip.[/quote]
Mooby,

I wanted to circle back to this. I think your theory has a lot of plausibility, and possible validity. Where my problem is, is when media conflates the Russian collusion story, which in my opinion is bogus, with what very well may be serious issues that took place from the Russian side.

I don't for a minute think that the Trump campaign went out and actively sought Russian operatives to act against HRC's campaign which is what [URL="https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/russia_report_findings_and_recommendations.pdf"] the House report[/URL] said they didn't find evidence of.

I do think Russia actively sought to act against HRC's campaign at a higher intensity then past elections, which is what the [URL="https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI%20ICA%20ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf"]Senate said happened[/URL].

There is a significant difference between those two statements. So that's what I mean by the russia russia russia whinings of the msm. They seek to conflate Russian interference (which did happen) first to the level of Russian collusion(which I don't think happened) then to level of the indictments brought by Muellers team (on banking charges not Russian based collusion) all with the intent of de-legitimizing Trump's election win and the policies he ran on.

I believe your theory is actually what's happening in Mueller's investigation. AND if that all turns out to be a sordid financial story of either blackmail or fraud, then the Russian story will take an ugly turn for Trump.

I don't know if I am making the distinctions clear enough, but this is a far more interesting discussion to have then trump cultists want to fuck america.

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[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/06/pompeo-reportedly-gives-kim-jong-un-elton-john-rocket-man-cd-at-trumps-request.html]Pompeo reportedly gives Kim Jong Un an Elton John 'Rocket Man' CD at Trump's request | Fox News[/url]

Pompeo reportedly gives Kim Jong Un an Elton John 'Rocket Man' CD


Troll game strong

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[quote=Chico23231;1196301][url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/06/pompeo-reportedly-gives-kim-jong-un-elton-john-rocket-man-cd-at-trumps-request.html]Pompeo reportedly gives Kim Jong Un an Elton John 'Rocket Man' CD at Trump's request | Fox News[/url]

Pompeo reportedly gives Kim Jong Un an Elton John 'Rocket Man' CD


Troll game strong[/quote]

You bitch about "fake news" and then you post this??? You should be embarrassed,really.

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[quote=Giantone;1196216]There is no "historical precedent" for trump presidency,doesn't mean he can't fuck up the country.[/quote]

He has made this OK..................


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/feel-racial-profiling-confrontation-caught-144808767.html[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1196303]You bitch about "fake news" and then you post this??? You should be embarrassed,really.[/quote]

Only doom and gloom in a g1 world

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More like douche game strong with his latest embarrassingly childish rally.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196306]More like douche game strong with his latest embarrassingly childish rally.[/QUOTE]I assume the rallies are fund raising events for the local candidates. Expect to hear how they all violate campaign finance laws in about 2 weeks.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196307]I assume the rallies are fund raising events for the local candidates. Expect to hear how they all violate campaign finance laws in about 2 weeks.[/quote]

Yet we are paying for him to tour the country and lie .

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[quote=Chico23231;1196305]Only doom and gloom in a g1 world[/quote]

..............funny coming from a paranoid trump cult member that believes all media is out to get them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196224]Mooby,

I wanted to circle back to this. I think your theory has a lot of plausibility, and possible validity. Where my problem is, is when media conflates the Russian collusion story, which in my opinion is bogus, with what very well may be serious issues that took place from the Russian side.

I don't for a minute think that the Trump campaign went out and actively sought Russian operatives to act against HRC's campaign which is what [URL="https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/russia_report_findings_and_recommendations.pdf"] the House report[/URL] said they didn't find evidence of.

I do think Russia actively sought to act against HRC's campaign at a higher intensity then past elections, which is what the [URL="https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI%20ICA%20ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf"]Senate said happened[/URL].

There is a significant difference between those two statements. So that's what I mean by the russia russia russia whinings of the msm. They seek to conflate Russian interference (which did happen) first to the level of Russian collusion(which I don't think happened) then to level of the indictments brought by Muellers team (on banking charges not Russian based collusion) all with the intent of de-legitimizing Trump's election win and the policies he ran on.

I believe your theory is actually what's happening in Mueller's investigation. AND if that all turns out to be a sordid financial story of either blackmail or fraud, then the Russian story will take an ugly turn for Trump.

I don't know if I am making the distinctions clear enough, but this is a far more interesting discussion to have then trump cultists want to fuck america.[/quote]

Thanks for the post Cred. I'll make this short as I have another long day tomorrow, but I believe the "collusion" isn't as strong as some people would have us believe. Did they have the meeting? Sure. Did anything come out of the meeting? No idea. Russia is going to interfere, via hacking/etc. with or without anyone's approval. Maybe they offered Trump dirt, and he said he was interested? Maybe they said they'll release DNC emails, and Trump said sure but I don't wanna be anywhere near that when you do. Idk, but the idea they were working in tandem doesn't seem likely. Trump probably said do whatever you want, and if we get elected I'll pay it back however I can.

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[quote=mooby;1196310]Thanks for the post Cred. I'll make this short as I have another long day tomorrow, but I believe the "collusion" isn't as strong as some people would have us believe. Did they have the meeting? Sure. Did anything come out of the meeting? No idea. Russia is going to interfere, via hacking/etc. with or without anyone's approval. Maybe they offered Trump dirt, and he said he was interested? Maybe they said they'll release DNC emails, and Trump said sure but I don't wanna be anywhere near that when you do. Idk, but the idea they were working in tandem doesn't seem likely. Trump probably said do whatever you want, and if we get elected I'll pay it back however I can.[/quote]


I will say we agree to disagree. To many of his minions are being nailed .I will agree that you will not nail him (trump himself) he doesn't work that way he will throw others under the bus but I do think that all the others including donnie Jr all guilty as sin and have been told to take one for the team and trump will pardon them later.That is a dangerous precedent. I find it amazing that a "hostile " goverment has elected a president that the majority of Americans did not want and people still think it's ok.

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[URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-personal-cellphone-call-canada-justin-trudeau-2018-7"]Trump reportedly gave out his personal cell phone number to world leaders and US officials 'had no idea' he was making calls[/URL]

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[quote=Giantone;1196311]I will say we agree to disagree. To many of his minions are being nailed .I will agree that you will not nail him (trump himself) he doesn't work that way he will throw others under the bus but I do think that all the others including donnie Jr all guilty as sin and have been told to take one for the team and trump will pardon them later.That is a dangerous precedent. I find it amazing that a "hostile " goverment has elected a president that the majority of Americans did not want and people still think it's ok.[/quote]

We might disagree on Russia working hand in hand with Trump (I do believe Russia tried to run interference wherever possible with or without his blessing) but I don't find it far-fetched to believe that when most major banks wanted nothing to do with Trump based on his history of trying to screw others out of their end of a deal, he was able to find a willing player in Deutsche Bank/Russia. I don't think there's any way Trump got himself to where he is today by playing by the book. And that's why I have faith in the Mueller investigation.

Even this latest revelation about making back channels via his personal cell phone as US President (which is ludicrous in its' own right) is par for the course for him. I think he's focused on maximizing his opportunities while in office, because he knows the investigation is going to find dirt (if they haven't found dirt from his business days already). And when that day comes his excuse is already pre-made. Deep-state actors like Mueller and co. have had it out for him from the beginning.

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[quote=mooby;1196323]We might disagree on Russia working hand in hand with Trump (I do believe Russia tried to run interference wherever possible with or without his blessing) but I don't find it far-fetched to believe that when most major banks wanted nothing to do with Trump based on his history of trying to screw others out of their end of a deal, he was able to find a willing player in Deutsche Bank/Russia. I don't think there's any way Trump got himself to where he is today by playing by the book. And that's why I have faith in the Mueller investigation.

Even this latest revelation about making back channels via his personal cell phone as US President (which is ludicrous in its' own right) is par for the course for him. I think he's focused on maximizing his opportunities while in office, because he knows the investigation is going to find dirt (if they haven't found dirt from his business days already). And when that day comes his excuse is already pre-made. Deep-state actors like Mueller and co. have had it out for him from the beginning.[/quote]
Why aren't people screaming for his head for using an "unsecured cell phone" like they did for Hilary and her email server?

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Well here is a surprise ,I never would have guessed this would happen.:doh:


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ivanka-trump-apos-chinese-made-041020687.html[/url]


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Donald Trump’s tariffs on Chinese goods won’t touch Ivanka Trump’s foreign-made products for her fashion line.

While Trump rails at Harley-Davidson motorcycles for moving some production to Europe to dodge EU tariffs, the first daughter and senior White House adviser has never manufactured a single product for her Ivanka Trump brand on American soil.

Trump enacted tariffs Friday morning on $34 billion worth of Chinese goods, affecting hundreds of products from boats to medical devices and auto parts. Products spared include those manufactured by his daughter.

That means Chengdu Kameido Shoes in Sichuan province can continue to supply shoes for the Ivanka Trump brand as it has in the past. It’s currently bidding for a new contract to manufacture 140,000 pairs of shoes for Trump’s company, a spokesman told The South China Morning Post.

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Trump as dirty as a president can be..............



[url]https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/06/29/trumps-white-house-has-been-a-money-making-machine.html[/url]

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I heard Rosenstein is going to indict the whole KGB for treason against the US.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/mueller-indicts-12-russian-intel-officers-hacking-democrats-163104637--abc-news-topstories.html[/url]

Does anyone really believe we don't have the same department here doing that?

The blame should fall directly on the DNC party for it's weak security on it's servers. It would be different if the Republican party had commissioned a foreign spy to get the material and put it into some sort of dossier in order to create bogus warrants against the nominee of the other party, oh wait that was what HRC & democrats did.

The one true thing Strzok said yesterday, that is the Russians' operation succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. But the reason is because HRC and the Democratic Progressive party have been such sore losers. If, as in every other election, the country and parties had come together for governing, this whole debacle would have been a footnote in history. Instead, the liberals have succeeded in making Putin's wet dreams come true.

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From Rosenstein's announcement:
[QUOTE]Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said the indictment does not name any American citizen, but told reporters that defendants "corresponded with several Americans during the course of the conspiracy through the internet."
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime," Rosenstein said at a news conference. [B]"There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result."[/B][/QUOTE]
(Emphasis mine)

The timing of the release of this announcement continues to look like the Justice Department is in the political mode announcing this on Friday, letting the media wonks and G1 style fanatics have a weekend long terror fest demonizing Trump ahead of his meeting with Putin. Either Rosenstein and the DOJ is abysmally clueless, or they are part of the deep state that has worked unceasingly to damage this presidency and the US itself. I believe it's clearly the latter.

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The Hits just keep on coming......


[url=http://www.wbaltv.com/article/maryland-voter-registration-system-runs-on-russian-owned-software-i-team-learns/22144023]Maryland voter registration system runs on software owned by Russian-financed firm, I-Team learns[/url]

ANNAPOLIS, Md. —
The FBI has informed Maryland officials that the state's voter registration system and other online systems operate on a software platform owned by a Russian-financed firm, state officials told the 11 News I-Team Friday afternoon. There is no indication of a breach.

There is no evidence there has been any breach or fraud in voter registration or voting, election officials said.
At a news conference Friday afternoon, House Speaker Michael Busch and Senate President Mike Miller stressed there is no evidence of voting problems, but they are concerned about the Russian connection to sensitive systems.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196493]From Rosenstein's announcement:

(Emphasis mine)

The timing of the release of this announcement continues to look like the Justice Department is in the political mode announcing this on Friday, letting the media wonks and G1 style fanatics have a weekend long terror fest demonizing Trump ahead of his meeting with Putin. Either Rosenstein and the DOJ is abysmally clueless, or they are part of the deep state that has worked unceasingly to damage this presidency and the US itself. I believe it's clearly the latter.[/quote]

LOL, and now the cult deflections.:spank:

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196510]LOL, and now the cult deflections.:spank:[/QUOTE]G1. I am going to ask as respectfully as i can, but will take it up with Matty if need be, cultism is a serious thing and i am asking you to stop referring to people, such as myself, who support the president of the united states as a cult or or as cultists plural or individually. I have tried in the conversations to express my views on it but you have displayed a clear disregard for the extreme polarizing effect of that term.

Please, on thewarpath at least, discontinue using the term cultist in respect to people who hold a different political opinion then you.

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[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-coats/u-s-intel-chief-warns-of-devastating-cyber-threat-to-u-s-infrastructure-idUSKBN1K32M9?utm_source=reddit.com[/url]

These are the kinds of things that worry me. When Trump is going to sit down with Putin (and given his comments towards Putin since the beginning) it leads me to believe he couldn't care less about Russian hacking as long as they're not hacking him or his supporters. Pretending to be bff's with a guy whose goal is to create havoc in America is dumb. Trump's being played.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196518]G1. I am going to ask as respectfully as i can, but will take it up with Matty if need be, cultism is a serious thing and i am asking you to stop referring to people, such as myself, who support the president of the united states as a cult or or as cultists plural or individually. I have tried in the conversations to express my views on it but you have displayed a clear disregard for the extreme polarizing effect of that term.

Please, on thewarpath at least, discontinue using the term cultist in respect to people who hold a different political opinion then you.[/quote]


Ok, do you prefer trumpist,trumpette all legitimate expressions of loyal followers of a man not worthy of the position he holds and who refuse to acknowledge any or all wrong doings buy him. A group of people so mesmerized by him or for their hatred of Obama they refuse to see any truth.



[B][B]CULT.......[/B][/B]

[url]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult[/url]


1, : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see spurious 2); also : its body of adherents the voodoo cult a satanic cult
2 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book) criticizing how the media promotes the cult of celebrity; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b : the object of such devotion
c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion the singer's cult of fans The film has a cult following.
3 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents the cult of Apollo
4 : formal religious veneration : worship
5 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator health cults



.....I'm sorry but I do believe the term fits.





.... and,

[url=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/the-gop-is-a-trump-cult-boasts-donald-trump-jr.html]The GOP Is a Trump Cult, Boasts Donald Trump Jr.[/url]

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I was asking for respect on this site, as we are all adults, and overall try to speak with adult tolerance of each other's differing beliefs. If that is beyond you, so be it.

It's not shocking.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196576]I was asking for respect on this site, as we are all adults, and overall try to speak with adult tolerance of each other's differing beliefs. If that is beyond you, so be it.

It's not shocking.[/quote]

Really , coming from someone who called me "zombified and a puppet" .(#785) I find it curious that you want "tolerance of each other's differing beliefs" from me when you are not willing to do so yourself.



trump supporters are like that,what's good for the cult but screw the country!