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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1227191]I think if any team had offered a 1 TW would have been traded by now. Best we are getting is a 2 and late rounder

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All it takes is a LT going down on a contender. We have all the incentive to wait. Give it another 3 weeks and I bet at least one team will lose their starting LT.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1227121]I still think Trent comes back.[/QUOTE]



Been saying since the story broke that he is never putting on a Skins uniform again. My gut told me that than, and now im more convinced, unfortunately.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1227154]Players aren't doctors. The onus is on the teams medical and coaching staffs to take care of their players health 1st and foremost. To me rushing a broken leg is brutal and completely unacceptable.[/QUOTE]



So true, and so ridiculous that people have to be made aware of it. Lol.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1227197]Please stop blaming the medical and training staffs. All of this starts at the top of the organization where the tone is set. The problem is that Mr. Burns and Smithers don't care about other people.[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=punch it in;1227202]Been saying since the story broke that he is never putting on a Skins uniform again. My gut told me that than, and now im more convinced, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Cooley said he's as good as gone. He said what I'd been thinking, and I imagine he has insight to the general feeling around the organization, that, you can't criticize the training staff publically (by proxy) and expect to be able to come back to the locker room line everything's cool.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1227206]Cooley said he's as good as gone. He said what I'd been thinking, and I imagine he has insight to the general feeling around the organization, that, you can't criticize the training staff publically (by proxy) and expect to be able to come back to the locker room line everything's cool.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Yep, he also made a point about how the teammates would start feeling about the medical staff with a player of TW's caliber in the locker room having spoke so badly of them.

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The reason Dan keeps Bruce around is because Dan is calling more shots than folks are aware of. Bruce is a lackey for Dan and Dan knows anyone who comes in, will only come in if Dan is separated from all football decisions.

That’s the mountain we’ve faced the last 20 years

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1227197]Please stop blaming the medical and training staffs. All of this starts at the top of the organization where the tone is set. The problem is that Mr. Burns and Smithers don't care about other people.[/QUOTE]



They cared enough about Trent Williams to be loyal to him and, despite multiple injuries and back to back suspensions, make him the highest paid offensive lineman in the league 3 years ago.

They care enough about Trent Williams to, for a change, remain mostly silent, instead of leaking reports to make him look bad like they have consistently done during Bruce Allen’s tenure.

Snyder and Bruce have been uncharacteristically smart and loyal to Trent Williams. It’s a shame he refuses to return that loyalty and blame the medical staff for his own negligence. They told him to get a second opinion. He didn’t listen.

At this point, I’m done with Trent Williams. He can try to pretend he’s taking some moral stand, but ultimately he’s placed blame at the wrong place when he should be looking in the mirror. I appreciate all he’s done for this team, but If this is how he wants to repay the team that’s been so good to him, then I want him gone.

And for what it’s worth, i want Bruce Allen gone too. While i think he’s handling this situation well, the majority of the time, HE is the problem.


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1227211]They cared enough about Trent Williams to be loyal to him and, despite multiple injuries and back to back suspensions, make him the highest paid offensive lineman in the league 3 years ago.

They care enough about Trent Williams to, for a change, remain mostly silent, instead of leaking reports to make him look bad like they have consistently done during Bruce Allen’s tenure.

Snyder and Bruce have been uncharacteristically smart and loyal to Trent Williams. It’s a shame he refuses to return that loyalty and blame the medical staff for his own negligence. They told him to get a second opinion. He didn’t listen.

At this point, I’m done with Trent Williams. He can try to pretend he’s taking some moral stand, but ultimately he’s placed blame at the wrong place when he should be looking in the mirror. I appreciate all he’s done for this team, but If this is how he wants to repay the team that’s been so good to him, then I want him gone.

And for what it’s worth, i want Bruce Allen gone too. While i think he’s handling this situation well, the majority of the time, HE is the problem.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]All of this is true, thats why it really seems there must be something else that occurred.

The team drafting another tackle isn't enough of an impetus for this type of hard stand by either side.

Trent has seen the worst of the front office as relates to other players, but as you point out they have been good to Trent

The medical staff might be at fault but then why isn't the NFLPA screaming for the Redskins to do something. When MRSA hit the Browns locker room they at least put out announcements supporting the players.

None of this makes sense with the facts as reported and the actions and words by all involved including close teammates and friends of TW.

I think he is gone, but it feels like there is a back story that only a few may ever know. Oh where is smootsmack insider info when you need it???

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I agree !!! I still say this could be all about a drug test ... if he knows he won’t pass because of off-season weed use.. and for the record I don’t gave a issue with that at all! It just seems there is more going on than we know.. does anybody know how the mandatory drug test work ?? If he report doesn’t he have to pass physical ? .. I’m just speculating what could be going on.. I just find it hard to believe that several years ago he was paid the highest in league at the Oline and now he totally refuses to ever play agian for skins...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1227214]All of this is true, thats why it really seems there must be something else that occurred.

The team drafting another tackle isn't enough of an impetus for this type of hard stand by either side.

Trent has seen the worst of the front office as relates to other players, but as you point out they have been good to Trent

The medical staff might be at fault but then why isn't the NFLPA screaming for the Redskins to do something. When MRSA hit the Browns locker room they at least put out announcements supporting the players.

None of this makes sense with the facts as reported and the actions and words by all involved including close teammates and friends of TW.

I think he is gone, but it feels like there is a back story that only a few may ever know. Oh where is smootsmack insider info when you need it???

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Speaking of back stories, what is the story behind Smoots Warpath retirement?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1227216]Speaking of back stories, what is the story behind Smoots Warpath retirement?[/QUOTE]It was a huge cover up. So far as i can tell , summo may have done a painting of Matty in a blue dress , and SS had plans for it in his townhome, it all blew up when joeredskin tried to outbid SS though and Summo, JR and SS havent been heard from since.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1227216]Speaking of back stories, what is the story behind Smoots Warpath retirement?[/quote]

He got tired of being hassled for insider info and registered under a different name

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1227217]It was a huge cover up. So far as i can tell , summo may have done a painting of Matty in a blue dress , and SS had plans for it in his townhome, it all blew up when joeredskin tried to outbid SS though and Summo, JR and SS havent been heard from since.

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JR is your brother Cred, what happened to him?

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[quote=Meks;1227218]He got tired of being hassled for insider info and registered under a different name[/quote]

I really wish thats the case.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1227219]JR is your brother Cred, what happened to him?[/QUOTE]I think he is one of the many fans that Skins have just worn down their fandom.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1227216]Speaking of back stories, what is the story behind Smoots Warpath retirement?[/quote]

[B]IF..........[B][/B][/B]he was a Redskin employee he might of been laid off when the Skins purged the front office months back.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1227221]I think he is one of the many fans that Skins have just worn down their fandom.

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That's one of my fears. Every offseason I wonder how much more I can tolerate but by the time August rolls around I'm feenin for football again.

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[quote=Giantone;1227222][B]IF..........[B][/B][/B]he was a Redskin employee he might of been laid off when the Skins purged the front office months back.[/quote]

Eh, I think he was too smart to work for the Redskins.

Never meet your idols people.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1227216]Speaking of back stories, what is the story behind Smoots Warpath retirement?[/quote]

He got a role on Parks and Rec then his standup took off.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1227210]The reason Dan keeps Bruce around is because Dan is calling more shots than folks are aware of. Bruce is a lackey for Dan and Dan knows anyone who comes in, will only come in if Dan is separated from all football decisions.



That’s the mountain we’ve faced the last 20 years[/QUOTE]



That sounds more like Vinny. Im convinced it is because of some other warped idea Dan has about him. Enjoys his company on the yacht bullshit. If Dan is really a fuckin fan he would get a damned football guy in there at the helm. But he aint. He is an egotistical lil bitch who likes power more than the b and g. Eff him and the yacht he rode in on. Ahh that felt good.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1227211]They cared enough about Trent Williams to be loyal to him and, despite multiple injuries and back to back suspensions, make him the highest paid offensive lineman in the league 3 years ago.

They care enough about Trent Williams to, for a change, remain mostly silent, instead of leaking reports to make him look bad like they have consistently done during Bruce Allen’s tenure.

Snyder and Bruce have been uncharacteristically smart and loyal to Trent Williams. It’s a shame he refuses to return that loyalty and blame the medical staff for his own negligence. They told him to get a second opinion. He didn’t listen.

At this point, I’m done with Trent Williams. He can try to pretend he’s taking some moral stand, but ultimately he’s placed blame at the wrong place when he should be looking in the mirror. I appreciate all he’s done for this team, but If this is how he wants to repay the team that’s been so good to him, then I want him gone.

And for what it’s worth, i want Bruce Allen gone too. While i think he’s handling this situation well, the majority of the time, HE is the problem.


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They were loyal to trent because he has been the best damn LT in football for ten years. The best LT in the game smokes a joint u dont fire him. They r idiots and TW has had enough. The end. Uncharacteristically loyal to Trent? Really? Nothing uncharacteristic about wanting to keep a generational talent at a very important position around.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1227216]Speaking of back stories, what is the story behind Smoots Warpath retirement?[/QUOTE]



I remember him posting that he just had alot going on and couldn’t contribute the way he wanted too. He would never leave because of some petty crap. Dude was awesome.

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[quote=rocnrik;1227215]I agree !!! I still say this could be all about a drug test ... if he knows he won’t pass because of off-season weed use.. and for the record I don’t gave a issue with that at all! [/quote]

When is the NFL going to stop testing for marijuana? It appears to be legal for medical or recreational use in about half the states. I wonder what the hang up is? Is it the owner demographic? Elderly men that still think pot use leads to heroin addiction. I don't get it? For the record I am almost 60, never more than tried it, yet I believe if it is legal to have a beer it should be legal to have a joint. I still know people my age that have a very low opinion of pot smokers, yet they would never say a word about someone who over consumed alcohol.

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[quote=punch it in;1227228]That sounds more like Vinny. Im convinced it is because of some other warped idea Dan has about him. Enjoys his company on the yacht bullshit. If Dan is really a fuckin fan he would get a damned football guy in there at the helm. But he aint. He is an egotistical lil bitch who likes power more than the b and g. Eff him and the yacht he rode in on. Ahh that felt good.[/quote]

Vinny was on Sheehan's podcast not too long ago. One thing that really stood out was he said that Dan's never wrong. In other words, if Dan made a decision on a player and it blew up in their faces ( Fat Albert) it was never his fault.

Snyder has become so insulated over the years. I often wonder w/ all the money and power he has if he's ever really happy, hiding out on his mega yacht.

I think inside of Redskin Park there are good football people, like Kyle Smith. But at least on the football side of things, Snyder is always going to have a say who the QB is going to be aka Haskins. Let's just hope it works out. It's really one of the few things that's keeping me going with this franchise.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227232]When is the NFL going to stop testing for marijuana? It appears to be legal for medical or recreational use in about half the states. I wonder what the hang up is? Is it the owner demographic? Elderly men that still think pot use leads to heroin addiction. I don't get it? For the record I am almost 60, never more than tried it, yet I believe if it is legal to have a beer it should be legal to have a joint. I still know people my age that have a very low opinion of pot smokers, yet they would never say a word about someone who over consumed alcohol.[/quote]

I think in the states where it's totally legal and there's a football team, Ca and Colorado come to mind, the NFL could have a legal issue if players really wanted to push it.

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Finished watching Geron's tape from Thursday... Yikes, constantly getting manhandled, lacks quickness as well. If he is the starting LT, we are going to be really bad on offense.

Pass blocking grade = 49.1
Run blocking grade = 47.1

Through 2 games so far.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227232]When is the NFL going to stop testing for marijuana? It appears to be legal for medical or recreational use in about half the states. I wonder what the hang up is? Is it the owner demographic? Elderly men that still think pot use leads to heroin addiction. I don't get it? For the record I am almost 60, never more than tried it, yet I believe if it is legal to have a beer it should be legal to have a joint. I still know people my age that have a very low opinion of pot smokers, yet they would never say a word about someone who over consumed alcohol.[/quote]

Could not agree more. Cannabis has been proven time and again as an effective pain reliever for injuries, illnesses and the like. This needs to change.

And I have a feeling it will be a huge topic on the upcoming CBA. Players will demand that marijuana testing be removed from the league entirely.

What leads to heroin addiction is athletes (yeah even high school athletes) sustaining a serious injury and they are prescribed narcotics, like oxycodone as a pain killer. These pain killers possess a high risk of addiction. Then when the prescriptions run out, you have essentially created an addict that usually turn to heroin to satisfy that addiction.

I for one would much rather see that athlete use marijuana which is less addictive and it just frigging works.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1227255]Could not agree more. Cannabis has been proven time and again as an effective pain reliever for injuries, illnesses and the like. This needs to change.

And I have a feeling it will be a huge topic on the upcoming CBA. Players will demand that marijuana testing be removed from the league entirely.[/quote]

The league is probably holding onto it for now simply as a chip to give away in the bargaining process.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227253]Finished watching Geron's tape from Thursday... Yikes, constantly getting manhandled, lacks quickness as well. If he is the starting LT, we are going to be really bad on offense.

Pass blocking grade = 49.1
Run blocking grade = 47.1

Through 2 games so far.[/quote]

He just isn't strong enough and it's obvious. Not sue Penn's any better. LT is going to be a total mess if TW doesn't show up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1227264]He just isn't strong enough and it's obvious. Not sue Penn's any better. LT is going to be a total mess if TW doesn't show up.[/quote]

It's tough but Penn needs to get the starting reps this week, He's better overall even at his old age. If we can't run the ball this yr we are fucked

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227265]It's tough but Penn needs to get the starting reps this week, He's better overall even at his old age. If we can't run the ball this yr we are fucked[/quote]

I don't think you should be looking at whether Penn starts. They seem to be putting Penn and Wes Martin in when Haskins in under center. This to me is telling. I would state they are putting in the OL players they think are likely to be starters when Haskins is in to give him the best chance to succeed.

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Geron Christian has been a complete mess. Penn will start over him

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[quote=Chico23231;1227268]Geron Christian has been a complete mess. Penn will start over him[/quote]

I agree - that is clearly their plan. And Wes Martin at LG.

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FWIW:

Penn's Grades so far

48.0 Pass block
56.3 Run Block

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227270]FWIW:

Penn's Grades so far

48.0 Pass block
56.3 Run Block[/quote]

Gruden will probably switch out Penn and Christian, thus telegraphing when we are going to run.

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Gruden when asked if he’s talked to Trent in the last few weeks:

“Maybe”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227274]Gruden when asked if he’s talked to Trent in the last few weeks:

“Maybe”[/quote]

It's harder to get a straight answer on Trent Williams then Russian Collusion(points to [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/forumdisplay.php?f=75"]Debating with the Enemy[/URL] forum for all political responses)!!!

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There is no excuse for him not to be strong enough by now! Hit the fucking weights. Looking like a bust.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227274]Gruden when asked if he’s talked to Trent in the last few weeks:

“Maybe”[/quote]

Gruden should be in the CIA with that shrewd, deceptive answer. It completely threw me off the trail.

Jay's mom: "Jay, did you eat the last cookie?"

Jay (as a toddler): "Maybe."