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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1264866]It's not so much about not trusting them. Its moreso that it will still be brand new and there will always be questions about brand new products and unknowns. No way to guarantee there won't be issues that didn't come out during the trials/etc.[/quote]

Hopefully we will have a better picture in a few months when a full trial gets peer reviewed but even then there will be unknowns.

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[quote=mooby;1264829]Please elaborate on how Trump deserves the biggest share of credit for Pfizer nearing a breakthrough.[/quote]

Yeah he deserves a lot of credit mooby. Stop trying, it pathetic at this point.

Here’s the rest of the wa post article...they did come into as this is part of project warp speed. So yes

Then, in late July, that agreement with Pfizer, described by the company as an agreement to “begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021.”

And then

On Sept. 24 NBC News reported public-private partnership between Pfizer & Trump admin: "Pfizer... secured a $1.95 billion purchase agreement with [HHS] for the first 100 million doses produced."

“The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval,” the HHS news release read. Distribution, not development.


Your article is pure liberal hack journalism, the facts yes Pfizer’s was apart of warp speed...the policy to develop and distribute the vaccines to a nation.

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[quote=Chico23231;1264874]Yeah he deserves a lot of credit mooby. Stop trying, it pathetic at this point.

Here’s the rest of the wa post article...they did come into as this is part of project warp speed. So yes

Then, in late July, that agreement with Pfizer, described by the company as an agreement to “begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021.”

And then

On Sept. 24 NBC News reported public-private partnership between Pfizer & Trump admin: "Pfizer... secured a $1.95 billion purchase agreement with [HHS] for the first 100 million doses produced."

“The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval,” the HHS news release read. Distribution, not development.


Your article is pure liberal hack journalism, the facts yes Pfizer’s was apart of warp speed...the policy to develop and distribute the vaccines to a nation.[/quote]
chico let it go man, you lost ,get over it trump doesn't deserve recognition for the vaccines he didn't do anything for it. You forget trump wanted you to take a shot of Lysol!:laughing2

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Speaking of Lysol, I still haven't seen a can of it since February. I think people must be shooting it up. Or spraying down the whole house every day.

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[quote=Chico23231;1264874]Yeah he deserves a lot of credit mooby. Stop trying, it pathetic at this point.

Here’s the rest of the wa post article...they did come into as this is part of project warp speed. So yes

Then, in late July, that agreement with Pfizer, described by the company as an agreement to “begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021.”

And then

On Sept. 24 NBC News reported public-private partnership between Pfizer & Trump admin: "Pfizer... secured a $1.95 billion purchase agreement with [HHS] for the first 100 million doses produced."

“The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval,” the HHS news release read. Distribution, not development.


Your article is pure liberal hack journalism, the facts yes Pfizer’s was apart of warp speed...the policy to develop and distribute the vaccines to a nation.[/quote]

Hard to understand what you're saying with Trump's dick in your mouth 24/7. Guess the ship isn't the only thing going down lately.

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[quote=mooby;1264880]Hard to understand what you're saying with Trump's dick in your mouth 24/7. Guess the ship isn't the only thing going down lately.[/quote]

Dumb bitch walked back her comments admitting they were part of operation warp speed...also NYT and Wa Post chose to take her out of context. Why the media is the enemy of the people.

Pfizer later walked back Jansen’s comment, claiming that the Times took her comments out of context and that the pharmaceutical company participated in Operation Warp Speed. Pfizer had put out a press release back in July announcing as much.

“Pfizer is proud to be one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine. While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept BARDA funding for the research and development process,” the company said in a statement. “All the investment for R&D and manufacturing has been made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen’s comment, which was taken out of context, was just emphasizing that last point.”

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I'll concede on Pfizer, I really don't care who gets credit as long as the vaccine is safe and effective for public use.

Trump still lost though, and he can sue all he wants but we both know he's done on January 20th.

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[quote=mooby;1264901]I'll concede on Pfizer, I really don't care who gets credit as long as the vaccine is safe and effective for public use.

Trump still lost though, and he can sue all he wants but we both know he's done on January 20th.[/quote]

I’m not mad at you, I’m mad at the continuing deceit by news orgs, they simply cannot be trusted to tell the people of this country the truth, but continue to form a false narrative.

How can anyone believe these folks? Their brand is permanently damaged...they are the primary reason the country is so divided. Not trump, not Biden...the media is too blame.

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I think Trump deserves credit for his effort on fast tracking a vaccine but I really don't get piling on praise for it. I would hope any president would have done that in this situation.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1264908]I think Trump deserves credit for his effort on fast tracking a vaccine but I really don't get piling on praise for it. I would hope any president would have done that in this situation.[/quote]

Yeah it was a no brainer decision to approve fast tracking and we're supposed to praise him for it? Please.

I'll give him credit and soon as he takes blame for this admin being a pure shit show when it comes to how they've handled it. With all the info and knowledge they had they couldn't even keep the virus out of the White House FFS.

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[quote=mooby;1264860]I was thinking about that too, gotta wonder if Pfizer sat on it for a week just to shit on Trump. I wouldn't rule it out.

Not gonna deny my liberal bias, if Fauci endorsed it as having gone through all the normal rigorous testing a product has to go through to make it to market I would trust him.[/quote]

Pfizer saying that they did it on their own and [B]NOT in partnership with the Administration[/B]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1264908]I think Trump deserves credit for his effort on fast tracking a vaccine but I really don't get piling on praise for it. I would hope any president would have done that in this situation.[/quote]

What exactly is "fast tracking" and what did trump have to do with it?

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[quote=Chico23231;1264906]I’m not mad at you, I’m mad at the continuing deceit by news orgs, they simply cannot be trusted to tell the people of this country the truth, but continue to form a false narrative.

How can anyone believe these folks? Their brand is permanently damaged...they are the primary reason the country is so divided. Not trump, not Biden...the media is too blame.[/quote]

Is that what makes you happy, being able to blame someone or something . You cry media this or that. You never acknowledge the biggest proponent of fake news is the trump WH it's self, you follow along with the rest of the sheep who can't think for themselves.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1264908]I think Trump deserves credit for his effort on fast tracking a vaccine but I really don't get piling on praise for it. I would hope any president would have done that in this situation.[/quote]

[url]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/mike-pence-pfizer-vaccine[/url]


"And because virtually everything out of this administration’s collective mouth is a lie, and an entire cottage industry of fact-checking has necessarily cropped up around it, Pence’s statement was immediately debunked—by Pfizer itself. Speaking to the New York Times, Dr. Kathrin Jansen, a senior vice president and the head of vaccine research and development at the company, said, “We were never part of the Warp Speed,” referring to the government’s effort to rapidly develop a vaccine. “We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.” As the Washington Post notes, back in July, the drugmaker agreed to partner with the government to distribute a vaccine, “leveraging what will be a massive, complicated effort run by the federal government to ensure that as many people as possible can be immunized.” But the actual developmental efforts had nothing to do with the Trump administration."

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If you don't think the federal government offering money and competitors taking that $ to develop a vaccine lit a fire under Pfizers butt to be first. That is your prerogative. I've worked in plenty of industries to know otherwise.

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It's past the point of it mattering anymore, but Trump just can't be given credit for anything by a large % of posters in these political threads. It is what it is. It was what it was. A couple people have admitted as such. Time to move on.

Trump, Biden, aliens, I don't care who gets the credit, let's get this vaccine out and rolling to everyone (besides me lol, I'll wait).

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1264920]It's past the point of it mattering anymore, but Trump just can't be given credit for anything by a large % of posters in these political threads. It is what it is. It was what it was. A couple people have admitted as such. Time to move on.

Trump, Biden, aliens, I don't care who gets the credit, let's get this vaccine out and rolling to everyone (besides me lol, I'll wait).[/quote]

If he took the blame on some things now and then, maybe we'd be more likely to give him credit. This is the guy that said I take no responsibility.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1264916]If you don't think the federal government offering money and competitors taking that $ to develop a vaccine lit a fire under Pfizers butt to be first. That is your prerogative. I've worked in plenty of industries to know otherwise.[/quote]


This is so wrong.

100% of the world needs this vaccine, you think 4% of the population lit a fire?



The first to market will easily earn billions if not a trillion dollars and the creator will get a Nobel Peace prize and become the next Jonas Salk.



It's hilarious you think some brilliant chemist is sitting there saying

"Trump called, he says he can get us distribution at walmart and all the piggly wigglys, we better get this vaccine before anyone else"

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[quote=MTK;1264921]If he took the blame on some things now and then, maybe we'd be more likely to give him credit. This is the guy that said I take no responsibility.[/quote]

That was my final comment on any of us Trump bashing or giving credit or making excuses for him. Not trying to get into an argument about it. That was my last $0.02 cents on that subject.

We all had our right to shit on him as much or as little as we see fit.

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[quote=jamf;1264924]This is so wrong.

100% of the world needs this vaccine, you think 4% of the population lit a fire?



The first to market will easily earn billions if not a trillion dollars and the creator will get a Nobel Peace prize and become the next Jonas Salk.



It's hilarious you think some brilliant chemist is sitting there saying

"Trump called, he says he can get us distribution at walmart and all the piggly wigglys, we better get this vaccine before anyone else"[/quote]

I hear what your saying but hasn't the US said it is going to role with a US company and not use a European or Asian company for supply? I guess that could change on January 20. I am just saying a federal subsidy provides additional resources and will promote growth in that research. I highly doubt they were waiting for that subsidy as you suggest that I am suggesting.

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The number of workers claiming these federal benefits make up more than half of the total 21.5 million people receiving unemployment benefits as of October. However, these CARES Act programs expire at the end of December 2020.

The future of long-term unemployment benefits is uncertain

Members of Congress and the White House have been in bitter negotiation over another potential coronavirus stimulus package for months.

In May, the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives passed a $3 trillion proposal called the HEROES Act, which would extend federal jobless aid into 2021. The Republican-held Senate did not take up the bill and introduced its own HEALS Act in July with decreased jobless aid until the end of 2020.
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/13-million-people-could-lose-unemployment-benefits-by-end-of-december.html[/url]

A federal eviction moratorium issued by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is in effect from September 4, 2020 to December 31, 2020. The temporary moratorium on evictions extends vital protections to tens of millions of renters at risk of eviction for nonpayment of rent during the global pandemic.
[url]https://nlihc.org/coronavirus-and-housing-homelessness/national-eviction-moratorium[/url]

1. Unemployment for 13 million Americans is set to expire Dec. 31, 2020.

2. Eviction moratorium is set to expire Dec 31, 2020.

I do not know the intricacies of State unemployment but I think they only offer up to 26 weeks of unemployment. Basically about 6 months or so and I imagine lots of people started enrolling in March and April.

-----------------------------------------------

Theres a bad moon on the rise.

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[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/why-modernas-covid-vaccine-has-a-huge-advantage-over-pfizers/ar-BB1b68jP?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

If true looks like Moderna might be the big winner over Pfizer, gotta think the logistics of moving vaccines at -70c are much harder than moving and storing at -20c.

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I found out what chico did this weekend!!!


[url]https://www.fox5dc.com/news/loudoun-cops-say-victim-can-seek-citizens-arrest-after-bizarre-encounter-with-trump-supporter[/url]



[B]Washington[/B]UPDATE (4:55 P.M.): Loudoun County sheriffs say they charged the man in this video after a citizen obtained a warrant through a local magistrate.

61-year-old Raymond Deskins of Sterling faces a misdemeanor simple assault charge after the recorded confrontation that's going viral on social media.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EndZWP9XIAA_mwn?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1265829]I found out what chico did this weekend!!!





[url]https://www.fox5dc.com/news/loudoun-cops-say-victim-can-seek-citizens-arrest-after-bizarre-encounter-with-trump-supporter[/url]







[B]Washington[/B]UPDATE (4:55 P.M.): Loudoun County sheriffs say they charged the man in this video after a citizen obtained a warrant through a local magistrate.



61-year-old Raymond Deskins of Sterling faces a misdemeanor simple assault charge after the recorded confrontation that's going viral on social media.



[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EndZWP9XIAA_mwn?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG][/QUOTE]



What a fuckin asshole. They are like children. Bad children.

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[IMG]https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/35-5e6f95960e1e5__700.jpg[/IMG]

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Absolutely clown show that CNN is finally reporting China lied about Covid after parroting communist talking points for almost a year....some did the same here...

So I guess trump was right now?

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Jan. 22, Twitter:

“One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”

Jan. 24, Twitter:

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Jan. 29, Remarks at signing ceremony for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement:

“And, honestly, I think, as tough as this negotiation was, I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time. And now it's reciprocal. Before, we were being ripped off badly. Now we have a reciprocal relationship, maybe even better than reciprocal for us.”

Jan. 30, Fox News interview:

"China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries."

Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:

"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."

Feb. 7, Twitter:

“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 7, Remarks before Marine One departure:

"Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.”

Feb. 10, Fox Business interview:


"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."

Feb. 10, campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.:

“I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.”

Feb. 13, Fox News interview:

“I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

Feb. 18, remarks before Air Force One departure:

“I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.”

Feb. 23, remarks before Marine One departure:

"I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem, and he will solve the problem. OK?"

Feb. 26, remarks at a business roundtable in New Delhi, India:

“China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control.”

Feb. 27, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:

“I spoke with President Xi. We had a great talk. He’s working very hard, I have to say. He’s working very, very hard. And if you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days. As opposed to getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller.”

Feb. 29, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:

“China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”

----

But is it still about proving whether Trump was right or wrong? I think that game has been played, a winner declared and its put back in the box and tucked deep into the closet.

trump .. what he says or what he does .. doesnt matter anymore. pack your shit, take your mail order American hating gold digging wife and move down to Mar a Lago and choke on some Big Macs while your greasy fat sausage fingers type out misspelled tweets.

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[quote=SunnySide;1266410]Jan. 22, Twitter:

“One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”

Jan. 24, Twitter:

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Jan. 29, Remarks at signing ceremony for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement:

“And, honestly, I think, as tough as this negotiation was, I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time. And now it's reciprocal. Before, we were being ripped off badly. Now we have a reciprocal relationship, maybe even better than reciprocal for us.”

Jan. 30, Fox News interview:

"China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries."

Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:

"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."

Feb. 7, Twitter:

“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 7, Remarks before Marine One departure:

"Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.”

Feb. 10, Fox Business interview:


"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."

Feb. 10, campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.:

“I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.”

Feb. 13, Fox News interview:

“I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

Feb. 18, remarks before Air Force One departure:

“I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.”

Feb. 23, remarks before Marine One departure:

"I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem, and he will solve the problem. OK?"

Feb. 26, remarks at a business roundtable in New Delhi, India:

“China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control.”

Feb. 27, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:

“I spoke with President Xi. We had a great talk. He’s working very hard, I have to say. He’s working very, very hard. And if you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days. As opposed to getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller.”

Feb. 29, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:

“China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”

----

But is it still about proving whether Trump was right or wrong? I think that game has been played, a winner declared and its put back in the box and tucked deep into the closet.

trump .. what he says or what he does .. doesnt matter anymore. pack your shit, take your mail order American hating gold digging wife and move down to Mar a Lago and choke on some Big Macs while your greasy fat sausage fingers type out misspelled tweets.[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point, China lied to the US, WHO and directly to the President. Yes tweets trying to calm the public about the virus were wrong i guess.

China could have contained 95% of the spread if they would have followed a WHO protocol. That’s a fact

People here actually defended China. Biden and Pelosi called trump a bigot for shutting down travel to China.

We are delivering a vaccine in less than 10 months...remarkable

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Can someone please explain to me as a complete Layman, what the expectation level is towards the FDA, and whether or not they approve the Covid vaccines?

Is the expectation among industry / medical / scientific people right now that FDA approval is granted without any issue?

or is this more of a shot in the dark, desperation type attempt?

intelligent WP'ers, what do you see happening?

Re: Coronavirus (political)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1266414]Thanks for proving my point, China lied to the US, WHO and directly to the President. Yes tweets trying to calm the public about the virus were wrong i guess.

China could have contained 95% of the spread if they would have followed a WHO protocol. That’s a fact

People here actually defended China. Biden and Pelosi called trump a bigot for shutting down travel to China.

We are delivering a vaccine in less than 10 months...remarkable[/quote]

chico, please stop, just stop.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1266491]Can someone please explain to me as a complete Layman, what the expectation level is towards the FDA, and whether or not they approve the Covid vaccines?

Is the expectation among industry / medical / scientific people right now that FDA approval is granted without any issue?

or is this more of a shot in the dark, desperation type attempt?

intelligent WP'ers, what do you see happening?[/quote]

I'm not an intelligent WP'er so feel free to disregard, but shouldn't it be the CDC leading the process to approve a potential vaccine?

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[quote=mooby;1266501]I'm not an intelligent WP'er so feel free to disregard, but shouldn't it be the CDC leading the process to approve a potential vaccine?[/quote]

No, the FDA is in charge of approving the vaccine, not the CDC.

Re: Coronavirus (political)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1266518]No, the FDA is in charge of approving the vaccine, not the CDC.[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying.

I haven't seen anything that indicates this is being rushed without following proper procedures for vaccines. And if the right people (Fauci for me) endorsed it that would be good enough for me. I expect it to be politicized though, and every conservative who thinks Fauci is worthless to disagree with me on that.

Re: Coronavirus (political)
 

[quote=mooby;1266520]Thanks for clarifying.

I haven't seen anything that indicates this is being rushed without following proper procedures for vaccines. And if the right people (Fauci for me) endorsed it that would be good enough for me. I expect it to be politicized though, and every conservative who thinks Fauci is worthless to disagree with me on that.[/quote]

Dr. Fauci does believe in them, and Obama has even offered to take the vaccine on TV along with his family to try and re-assure people that everything is okay with it and it is safe.

I suppose now with the UK approving it, the race is on for the other countries to approve / roll out. Canada is expected to approve within days, followed by Spain and Mexico, from what I have read. If approved, i have the USA finishing fourth or later. I guess the thing that I can't understand, is that how a vaccine that was developed and produced in America, was approved for use in foreign countries before it was here. Just strange, IMO.

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Different countries = different approval processes

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[quote=MTK;1266533]Different countries = different approval processes[/quote]

So do you feel comfortable that the FDA will approve one or more of the vaccines who have submitted EUA requests? Is there any scenario where all of the other countries have the vaccines but we don't?

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Haven't given it much thought to be honest, but the vaccines seem to be on track to be approved here.

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Anti Vaxxers sharping swords...

Can we all agree not getting vaccinated is dumb?

Re: Coronavirus (political)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1266542]Anti Vaxxers sharping swords...

Can we all agree not getting vaccinated is dumb?[/quote]

Beyond dumb

The anti vax crowd is right up there with flat earthers as far as missing brain cells go

Re: Coronavirus (political)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1266542]Anti Vaxxers sharping swords...

Can we all agree not getting vaccinated is dumb?[/quote]

Definitely something I hope we can all agree on. I feel like there's gotta be at least one person here who is anti-vaccer though.