Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MTK;1276548]I think Ron has shown he likes to be aggressive but he also has a limit. They went big on Stafford and Cooper but ended up losing out once the stakes got too high. I'm perfectly fine with that approach.[/quote]

Yea...I'd say its nice to have a team that doesn't reach and pay way over what they should...
I don't go into the strip club and throw all my money at the first girl that shows me attention. I wait for the second one.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1276553]Yea...I'd say its nice to have a team that doesn't reach and pay way over what they should...
I don't go into the strip club and throw all my money at the first girl that shows me attention. I wait for the second one.[/quote]

Ah, the ol' second stripper strategy. :laughing-

In all seriousness, it sounds like we need to get used to having the team being run by football people, who are willing to swing for a big move, but know when to pull back when the price is getting unreasonable.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1276554]Ah, the ol' second stripper strategy. :laughing-

In all seriousness, it sounds like we need to get used to having the team being run by football people, who are willing to swing for a big move, but know when to pull back when the price is getting unreasonable.[/quote]

I can honestly say that it feels nice to have the team run by, seemingly, competent people. The next draft and free agency should really tell us a lot about where our FO is as an organization. Really hoping that its not just lipstick on the same ol' pig.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

ron simply isn't going to do stupid ass RG3 type of trades. GOOD!

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Sam Darnold intrigues me only because Adam Gase sucks donkey balls. The kid has talent, and could probably be had pretty cheap, as the new regime takes over the Jetties.

I'd also take Teddy Bridgewater, who won in Minnesota before his crazy knee injury, and won 5 games for the Saints when Brees went down.

I wouldn't break the bank to get either (or really anyone else) at this point, but I also think those guys have serious upside potential.



But it feels like we have grown ups in charge now, so we'll see what they do.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

i, honestly, think just about anyone is an upgrade over our current situation. I love the alex smith story, but hes not going to be reliable, and lacks the mobility that he once had. I hope he retires...not just for the team, but to ensure he doesnt have some sort of terrible injury. I know he can already tell when its going to rain from the pains in his joints. I shattered my femur into 15 pieces and broke my hip...so i know the lingering effects of a crazy injury, and im absolutely not an athlete in any sense of the word.
I want to see what heineken can do, but i question his durability. hopefully he gets a shot in camp. maybe hes the dude, maybe hes a journeyman. only time will tell.
see above for kyle allen as well.
draft will be a long shot, but i hope we take someone and try to groom them. no idea who. hopefully no crazy blockbuster trades to move up. we are cutting our nose to spite our own face then as we have a lot of other holes to fill (giggity)
i think carr, or darnold, or that tier of qb will be a great improvement over a bunch of injury prone guys, and a 2nd year qb that doesnt give a shit about anything but clout. so its exciting to see whatever direction the FO decides to go.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1276562]Sam Darnold intrigues me only because Adam Gase sucks donkey balls. The kid has talent, and could probably be had pretty cheap, as the new regime takes over the Jetties.

I'd also take Teddy Bridgewater, who won in Minnesota before his crazy knee injury, and won 5 games for the Saints when Brees went down.

I wouldn't break the bank to get either (or really anyone else) at this point, but I also think those guys have serious upside potential.



But it feels like we have grown ups in charge now, so we'll see what they do.[/quote]

We almost certainly would have upped our bid, but Stafford wanted to go to Rams. We were perfectly willing to mortgage the future, but the Rams outbid us. Thus the restraint everyone sees was non-extant. Not that I think RR is a complete dunce like Snyder or Cerrato.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1276525]Seeing a lot of reports that the Raiders want 2 First-Round picks for Carr.

No way.[/quote]

Media bait.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Giantone;1276477]How would Kirk have done without RGIII in front of him, would not sitting have hurt or helped him?[/quote]

Better, but he's never going to win SB. He just can't drive the ball downfield with accuracy consistently, and is horrible when asked to improvise, and checks down way too much. I have friends who are Vikes fans, I laughed and warned them when they were excited about Cousins. Yet a guy like Cousins is just as good as most of the guys everyone is talking about trading the farm for. He'll get you to playoffs every year but never further. There's QBs like that available in 4th round every year.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276478]We drafted KC as an afterthought and he is still a divisive topic. But the vikings after 3 years with KC finished with the same record as us with 4 qb's.

But let's play out the draft a qb scenario:
So we draft a qb or two this year. We give him 3 years. Meanwhile our awesome dline gets older and we let 2 go due to contract. And at the end of 3 years we realize we still suck at selecting qbs and have zero to show for our dline.

That is as likely a scenario as our FO hitting on a qb not picked in the top10. And if we are trading to get into the top 10, I am just as content trading for a qb with known NFL ability that our coaching staff thinks they can succeed with.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

No team is going to let a true franchise QB go. EVER. Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? In the entire salary cap era, almost a quarter century, the only franchise QB to hit free agency anywhere near his prime was Brees, and he was a huge injury risk at the time.

If your GM can't find a franchise QB in draft, find a new GM.
DL older fallacious argument. We have holes everywhere else.
There's only one way you get a long-term franchise QB: you draft him.
The only QBs available for trade (spare the Watson BS he isn't going anywhere and isn't worth what he would cost if he was) are NOT franchise QBs. If they were, they would NOT be available for trade, period, EVER.
If it takes 3 years it takes 3 years, can all the Homers please stop with the DL makes us contenders fallacy. I love our DL, we are at least 6 stud players from being a contender, so mortgaging future to get a non-franchise QB actually screws us completely long term.

THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB AVAILABLE FOR TRADE.
YOU WANT ONE, YOU HAVE TO DRAFT HIM.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP BEING SCAREDY CATS ABOUT DRAFTING A QB AND EMBRACE THE LONG ROAD TO GETTING A TRUE FRANCHISE QB.
Reading this board, its like Vinny Cerrato has been cloned.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=Scalper;1276568]THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB AVAILABLE FOR TRADE.
YOU WANT ONE, YOU HAVE TO DRAFT HIM.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP BEING SCAREDY CATS ABOUT DRAFTING A QB AND EMBRACE THE LONG ROAD TO GETTING A TRUE FRANCHISE QB.
Reading this board, its like Vinny Cerrato has been cloned.[/QUOTE]

It's OK to have an opinion and to share it, nobody is going to deride you for that (unless its a REALLY stupid opinion). But making out like you are the only one with a valid opinion, deriding everyone else in here like they are idiots and arguably worse SHOUTING your opinion, is only going to alienate you with everyone, whether they agree with your points or not.

I suggest you need to apply critical thinking to your own posts before posting them; put yourself in the shoes of a neutral and ask yourself how you are coming across. Are you trying to get your opinion heard as part of a group or are you trying to dominate the group and have your opinion agreed as the only truth? It isn't by the way.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

After watching the tape, I'm a believer in Fields. He's a legit passer and mobile enough to extend plays like Watson does.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1276572]After watching the tape, I'm a believer in Fields. He's a legit passer and mobile enough to extend plays like Watson does.[/QUOTE]I doubt we have any shot at Fields.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276573]I doubt we have any shot at Fields.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

You would have to move up for sure, I'd say into the top 7

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I keep saying it over and over ...THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB AVAILABLE FOR TRADE..... how long does it take before it works ... I’m holding my breath and standing on my head ... there is a trick to it ....right....😀

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=rocnrik;1276575]I keep saying it over and over ...THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB AVAILABLE FOR TRADE..... how long does it take before it works ... I’m holding my breath and standing on my head ... there is a trick to it ....right....😀[/quote]

Watson will be traded eventually

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Scalper;1276565]We almost certainly would have upped our bid, but Stafford wanted to go to Rams. We were perfectly willing to mortgage the future, but the Rams outbid us. Thus the restraint everyone sees was non-extant. Not that I think RR is a complete dunce like Snyder or Cerrato.[/quote]

What makes you say that? Do you have some inside information that no one else has seen? RR didn't overpay for A Cooper last offseason. They put in a fair offer, and when Dallas offered $37M more in guaranteed, they said - bubbye.

I watched the Marty, Martin, Rivera press conference, and I'm pretty sure I heard, over and over again, that they weren't willing to mortgage the future for any position, even the most important one - QB. They want to find a balance between finding that guy, aggressively pursuing him, but also being to protect him, give him weapons, and build the team around him.

It can be done... There's never just one way to skin a cat.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1276578]What makes you say that? Do you have some inside information that no one else has seen? RR didn't overpay for A Cooper last offseason. They put in a fair offer, and when Dallas offered $37M more in guaranteed, they said - bubbye.

I watched the Marty, Martin, Rivera press conference, and I'm pretty sure I heard, over and over again, that they weren't willing to mortgage the future for any position, even the most important one - QB. They want to find a balance between finding that guy, aggressively pursuing him, but also being to protect him, give him weapons, and build the team around him.

It can be done... There's never just one way to skin a cat.[/quote]

A side note on the front office pursuing trades. An NFC opponent (the Rams) just paid a ton in draft capital to get Stafford. One reason that happened is because other teams like the WFT put in offers that the Rams had to beat. I would have liked to have Stafford, but I also like that our FO seems to know how to put a reasonable bid together that either wins or forces a team to go to an over the top bid (ie Cooper and Stafford). Whether they intend to or not, it gives an air of confidence to their trades that they won't get bullied past their "ok" spot, and that they seem to have fall back positions that may not be as terrific as the hot market, but cover the bases at least.

Could be rose colored glasses, but I say getting in the mud and making everyone put honest bids in is an unheralded part of the process.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1276553]Yea...I'd say its nice to have a team that doesn't reach and pay way over what they should...
I don't go into the strip club and throw all my money at the first girl that shows me attention. I wait for the second one.[/quote]

Good to see you're still hanging around the forum, Dwayne.

Keep in touch.

WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=Scalper;1276568]No team is going to let a true franchise QB go. EVER. Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? In the entire salary cap era, almost a quarter century, the only franchise QB to hit free agency anywhere near his prime was Brees, and he was a huge injury risk at the time.



If your GM can't find a franchise QB in draft, find a new GM.

DL older fallacious argument. We have holes everywhere else.

There's only one way you get a long-term franchise QB: you draft him.

The only QBs available for trade (spare the Watson BS he isn't going anywhere and isn't worth what he would cost if he was) are NOT franchise QBs. If they were, they would NOT be available for trade, period, EVER.

If it takes 3 years it takes 3 years, can all the Homers please stop with the DL makes us contenders fallacy. I love our DL, we are at least 6 stud players from being a contender, so mortgaging future to get a non-franchise QB actually screws us completely long term.



THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB AVAILABLE FOR TRADE.

YOU WANT ONE, YOU HAVE TO DRAFT HIM.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP BEING SCAREDY CATS ABOUT DRAFTING A QB AND EMBRACE THE LONG ROAD TO GETTING A TRUE FRANCHISE QB.

Reading this board, its like Vinny Cerrato has been cloned.[/QUOTE]



Tell the Bucs that. I could come up with numerous examples of teams that have acquired quarterbacks through trades or free agency and gone on to do great things. You post utter nonsense and act like we all have something to learn from you. Go start a podcast. Your mom and dad can listen and tell you how smart you are. It will be a win for everyone. Especially us.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

As if to reinforce that point:

[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/carson-wentz-teams-calling-eagles-potential-trade-qb[/url]

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Watson will not be on the roster by Draft night

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=punch it in;1276586]Tell the Bucs that. I could come up with numerous examples of teams that have acquired quarterbacks through trades or free agency and gone on to do great things. You post utter nonsense and act like we all have something to learn from you. Go start a podcast. Your mom and dad can listen and tell you how smart you are. It will be a win for everyone. Especially us.[/quote]

Scalper should say a franchise QB in his prime

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=mredskins;1276591]Scalper should say a franchise QB in his prime[/QUOTE]



The idea that the only way to win is to draft a franchise quarterback and to say otherwise makes you a fool really doesn’t even deserve a response at all but.....

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1276589]Watson will not be on the roster by Draft night[/quote]

do you mean the Texans roster or the WFT's roster? (probably not on either LOL)

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276595]do you mean the Texans roster or the WFT's roster? (probably not on either LOL)[/quote]

Yeah I mean he won't be in Houston and i WOULD SAY WE HAVE A 20% SHOT now at him..

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Here's Joe Theismann's take on a few of the headline QB's in the 2021 draft (it's nearly similar to what I said a few months ago in relation to Lawrence and Wilson):

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/former-nfl-mvp-qb-explains-why-hed-take-zach-wilson-over-trevor-lawrence-in-the-2021-nfl-draft/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e[/url]

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1276571]It's OK to have an opinion and to share it, nobody is going to deride you for that (unless its a REALLY stupid opinion). But making out like you are the only one with a valid opinion, deriding everyone else in here like they are idiots and arguably worse SHOUTING your opinion, is only going to alienate you with everyone, whether they agree with your points or not.

I suggest you need to apply critical thinking to your own posts before posting them; put yourself in the shoes of a neutral and ask yourself how you are coming across. Are you trying to get your opinion heard as part of a group or are you trying to dominate the group and have your opinion agreed as the only truth? It isn't by the way.[/quote]

I don't care if he calls me an idiot. As long as he can do it concisely in a couple paragraphs, and not in a post as long as an encyclopedia.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1276603]I don't care if he calls me an idiot. As long as he can do it concisely in a couple paragraphs, and not in a post as long as an encyclopedia.[/QUOTE]



It helps when someone calling you an idiot actually makes sense too. Know what I mean you idiot?

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=punch it in;1276605]It helps when someone calling you an idiot actually makes sense too.[B] Know what I mean you idiot?[/B][/quote]

I think so, calculating...

[IMG]https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/563c7467e4b08a859931e927/1530729977331-NRXIM950E32GT0H4QB4Y/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLAhru8afpGq0enkszN8GQRZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZUJFbgE-7XRK3dMEBRBhUpyWkFaowvcTqH23B21hP0xQ1pKWQAJ4M1woG9HZbQ68jjlknV6gkKblunT3xnKJSlg/confused+gif[/IMG]

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=rocnrik;1276575]I keep saying it over and over ...THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB AVAILABLE FOR TRADE..... how long does it take before it works ... I’m holding my breath and standing on my head ... there is a trick to it ....right....😀[/quote]

You gotta do a backflip while rubbing your stomach too

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1276608]I think so, calculating...



[IMG]https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/563c7467e4b08a859931e927/1530729977331-NRXIM950E32GT0H4QB4Y/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLAhru8afpGq0enkszN8GQRZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZUJFbgE-7XRK3dMEBRBhUpyWkFaowvcTqH23B21hP0xQ1pKWQAJ4M1woG9HZbQ68jjlknV6gkKblunT3xnKJSlg/confused+gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]



Lol

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1276576]Watson will be traded eventually[/quote]

But I don’t think it will be here. Ron isn’t going to overpay for what the Texans are going to command.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1276562][B]Sam Darnold intrigues me only because Adam Gase sucks donkey balls.[/B] The kid has talent, and could probably be had pretty cheap, as the new regime takes over the Jetties.

I'd also take Teddy Bridgewater, who won in Minnesota before his crazy knee injury, and won 5 games for the Saints when Brees went down.

I wouldn't break the bank to get either (or really anyone else) at this point, but I also think those guys have serious upside potential.



But it feels like we have grown ups in charge now, so we'll see what they do.[/quote]

I don't disagree with this. Gase has basically rode Peyton's endorsement ever since he let Peyton run the show his last couple years in the league. If we had to take a flyer because every other option didn't pan out, I'd kick the tires on Darnold. Tannehill had to escape Gase before Vrabel let him fly like the proud peacock he is.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

How’s id rank the QB Options

1. Watson (duh)
2 . Dak (Dallas may be dumb enough)
3. Carr
4. Fields
5. Wilson
6. Lance
7. Darnold
8. Jones

I’d be fine with any of these guys.

No to Cam, Tyrod, dalton etc.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1276646]How’s id rank the QB Options

1. Watson (duh)
2 . Dak (Dallas may be dumb enough)
3. Carr
4. Fields
5. Wilson
6. Lance
7. Darnold
8. Jones

I’d be fine with any of these guys.

No to Cam, Tyrod, Dalton etc.[/quote]

If we had any hope of getting Fields, Wilson or Lance, I wouldn't be taking Carr as an option and probably not Dak (who Dallas are likely to tag or resign anyway).

I'm beginning to doubt Darnold is available until after the draft anyway; Saleh hasn't advertised him yet so I think they'll keep him for competition in camp, then tout him if he loses to whichever rookie they pick at #2. If we don't move on him before the draft, I doubt we move on him after, having probably drafted a rookie ourselves.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Andrew Luck may be available soon. :towel:

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1276646]How’s id rank the QB Options

1. Watson (duh)
[B]2 . Dak (Dallas may be dumb enough)[/B]
3. Carr
4. Fields
5. Wilson
6. Lance
7. Darnold
8. Jones

I’d be fine with any of these guys.

No to Cam, Tyrod, dalton etc.[/quote]

My wild guess is that Dallas is going to move on from Dak and it is going to throw the whole QB musical chair in chaos. May not happen, but it is going to be interesting if it does.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington/post/_/id/41004[/url]


"Talked to a few coaches/execs around the league. One QB was mentioned more as the one they would pursue. (Most did not see Watson as truly being available at this point)."

Keim.

It doesn't look like Watson is a legit option reading Ron's comments.

I think Fields is a great fit and they like him from what Keim has said. I'd try and move up to grab him.

I fear we will be stuck with Alex another yr

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

i do think darnold and or bridgewater can definitely help us big time