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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1070316][B]So, would learning a new offense be a valid excuse for RGIII, according to you guys, if he doesn't perform well this season? My guess is "No".[/B]

My recollection of JC was that he could look good at times between the 20's but he was not good in the Red Zone or in converting third down plays.

I don't understand why this argument about JC goes on and on. There ought to be a statute of limitations on it. If the guy could play, wouldn't he be a starter somewhere by now? Again, he is a Coach Killer.[/quote]


I expect a learning curve. I'm going to assume that Gruden will run plays from Shanahan's offense, just different terminology.

As far as Griffin goes, we have to all be patient. I don't think his instincts are to sit in the pocket and let things develop. He's going to have to learn and get comfortable with the offense.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1070318]Don't all teams have high expectations?[/quote]

True, I think the pressure here to win is higher than a lot of other markets because of the fans base, media and owner.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070323]really, didn't the Redskins win a Superbowl with a backup QB ?

Sonny Jurgensen was a backup, Theismann was 3rd string.....the Redskins have had plenty of good back up QBs.[/quote]

Jurgensen didn't win the Super Bowl. He arguably also wasn't the backup in '72 - he got hurt and Kilmer took over.

Thiesmann was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB with him.
Rypien was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB.
Whether Williams or Schroeder was the backup when we won the SB in '87 is open to debate.

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[quote=Lotus;1070327]Jurgensen didn't win the Super Bowl. He arguably also wasn't the backup in '72 - he got hurt and Kilmer took over.

Thiesmann was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB with him.
Rypien was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB.
Whether Williams or Schroeder was the backup when we won the SB in '87 is open to debate.[/quote]

you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/quote]

Backups who became starters. Plus all of those guys were in the pre-free agency era. Different times.

Cousins Open to Trade.
 

[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/QUOTE]


We also had a hall of fame cast all around them including our coach. We had an absolutely amazing defensive line, and an incredible secondary to go with it. The fact that the Skins of the 80's had success with "cast off" qb's has zilch to do with Kirk Cousins and the Redskins of today.
Edit: i am not taking anything away from what Gruden might accomplish or the direction we might be headed in, but to say what happened 25 years ago means we can turn the trick today with Cousins is silly.
Edit 2: in what world was Sonny a back up qb? He was a starter when we got him from Philly, and won pro bowls. He is one of the greatest in Redskin history.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/quote]

Williams was a starter in Tampa Bay long before coming to Washington *AND* had nearly gotten the Bucs to the Super Bowl. So, Williams already had proven history of being starter material in the NFL before coming to Washington.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/quote]

No. Thinking of the guys I listed as backups is a misrepresentation for reasons i mentioned.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1070341]No. Thinking of the guys I listed as backups is a misrepresentation for reasons i mentioned.[/QUOTE]


His idea of backup seems to be someone who did not start every game they ever dressed for. So I guess Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers are backups?

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Wow....we're comparing backup QB strategy's from 42 years ago to today.
Thats not very irrefutable.

:smashfreak:

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[quote=punch it in;1070343]His idea of backup seems to be someone who did not start every game they ever dressed for. So I guess Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers are backups?[/quote]

Add Tom Brady to that too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070314]Gibbs and Saunders did not really have the same offense.[/quote]Saunders was there 06 and 07. Jason Campbell had two years in his system. I was just emphasizing it was a hybrid of Saunders/Gibbs. Not any transition from 06 to 07.

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[quote=punch it in;1070290]I seem to remember JC always learning a new offense. Didnt he go through that at Auburn too?[/quote]Lol, yeah I think one of those things that gets repeated enough times people believe it's true, when it's not. Campbell had 2 years in the Saunders offense, and 2 years in the Zorn offense. He did not have to "learn a new offense each year" with the Skins.

Dunno about Auburn. Wonder if that would be a plus or not.

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JC could have played in one system his entire life and it wouldn't have made a difference.

Has JC, in his defence, ever had a decent line to stand behind?

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