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What's up with Landry's play? He's always a few steps late now with poor angles.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;501496][B]Our O Line Sucks!! And Our D-line Sucks.[/B] Did We Even Touch Romo? For That Matter Did We Even Touch Barber Before He Made A First Down? Im Still Holding On To Hope. Both Lines Look Like Sorry Ass Chumps!![/quote]

Yes. We are starting to see breakdowns on both lines -- Cornelius Griffin and Kedric Golston were eaten alive tonight. Not good for a team that has playoffs on its mind.

To be fair though, this team hasn't had a good pass rush since Bruce Smith.

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[quote=skinsfan69;501502][B]I think everyone needs to chill out.[/B] The bottom line is the guys are playing hard, we just don't have the horses on offense. Yes we don't sack the qb but this one is on the offense. The guys we drafted have given us not a damn thing. So far all three of them are busts IMO. I don't see anything changing. We're 10 games in and I think everyone can see what type of team we are. Average.[/quote]

I think we're going to hear this a lot for the rest of the season. LOL.

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Think of it though last year we're 5-7 before we made our playoff push we just gotta get some momentum. We have 4 or 5 games left where will be favored and as far as the wildcard no one is running away.

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Look at the offensive and defensive lines of the Titans, Giants and Patriots. Chris Samuels might be the only player on our team that plays offensive or defensive line that would actually be a starter on any of those three units. Randy Thomas has really really dropped off. Rabach and Jansen are just bad. Griffin and Kendall are old. Andre Carter is mediocre, Golston and Motgomery are just ok and Jason Taylor is hurt and or washed up. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.

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[quote=LongTimeSkinsFan;501447]I prefer to lurk but I had to throw my 2c in tonight. Everyone always complained about Gibbs 2.0 lack of offense, lack of points, etc. I'm not seeing much difference between this team and the Gibbs team of last year. The only difference is a new head coach scratching his head and wondering why we can't run block half the time and why we can never protect Campbell. Plain and simple, the offensive line is OLD and DECREPIT and needs to be reconstructed with younger fresher legs and bodies. Oh and Casey Rabach needs to be traded for draft picks. As a free agent signing this guy has been an extreme disappointment in my book.[/quote]

Agreed about the o-line. It's really too bad. BUt look: here's my feelings. We've found out that JC can play, IMO. We need to get this system down and the right people in place. Jansen is done. Rabach isn't good enough. Samuels is good, but hurt and old. Kendall was a stopgap as it is. And THomas hasn't reemerged as a force.

In any event, we've got winnable games at Seattle, SF, and Cincy. Then we've got the ravens, iggles, and gints. Win the three winnable road games and pick up ONE more win, and that's 10. May not get us in, but it's not a crazy stretch. The season is far from over, folks.

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[quote=theJBexperience;501506]What's up with Landry's play? He's always a few steps late now with poor angles.[/quote]

Yeah, he was WAY late on the TD to the tight end. In the fourth quarter the D couldn't do anything right.

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Campbell and our recievers were playing great earlier, but in both of the last two games, they haven't produced in the way we need them to against either Pittsburgh or Dallas.

And the pass protection is totally abysmal. It's getting to the point where if you load up the box and take away the run against the Redskins, there's simply no time to get Moss behind the defense.

Look, either Zorn's serious about fixing this protection and we can get to 11 or 12 wins, or he's not serious about it, we limp to 10 wins and we're at the mercy of the tiebreaker system. This team does A LOT of things very well, but a few things it absolutely can't do are killing the offense.

Don't forget that Randle El's injury came at the worst possible time. Devin Thomas isn't an NFL receiver, James Thrash is very close to not being an NFL receiver, and there's just [I]nothing[/I] behind them. We're a very talented team with major flaws. The flaws can absolutely be corrected, but I no longer think the offensive issues will correct themselves. We need to remove the players who just can't play at this level (Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Devin Thomas) from the offensive gameplan. Only then can the Redskins allow Portis, Campbell, Moss, and Cooley to flourish.

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[quote=redskin37;501503]Is there a team in the nfl that gets less pressure on the qb than the skins.[/quote]

Well, we are currently in 26th place with 15 sacks. Those stats of course don't reflect after tonight's game

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[quote=Beemnseven;501508]Yes. We are starting to see breakdowns on both lines -- Cornelius Griffin and Kedric Golston were eaten alive tonight. Not good for a team that has playoffs on its mind.

To be fair though, this team hasn't had a good pass rush since Bruce Smith.[/quote]

You're joking right. Bruce Smith was terrible on the Redskins.

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We're battling for the final wild card spot, and we always have a late season push, which is great. We make the playoffs and may win one post season game. But is this team really improving? I thought we were at the start of the season, but I don't think so any more.

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you actually think that shit tonight was pass protection?

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[quote=theJBexperience;501506]What's up with Landry's play? He's always a few steps late now with poor angles.[/quote]

Yeah he just seems really out of sorts.

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[quote=GTripp0012;501515]Campbell and our recievers were playing great earlier, but in both of the last two games, they haven't produced in the way we need them to against either Detroit or Dallas.

And the pass protection is totally abysmal. It's getting to the point where if you load up the box and take away the run against the Redskins, there's simply no time to get Moss behind the defense.

Look, either Zorn's serious about fixing this protection and we can get to 11 or 12 wins, or he's not serious about it, we limp to 10 wins and we're at the mercy of the tiebreaker system. This team does A LOT of things very well, but a few things it absolutely can't do are killing the offense.

Don't forget that Randle El's injury came at the worst possible time. Devin Thomas isn't an NFL receiver, James Thrash is very close to not being an NFL receiver, and there's just [I]nothing[/I] behind them. We're a very talented team with major flaws. The flaws can absolutely be corrected, but I no longer think the offensive issues will correct themselves. We need to remove the players who just can't play at this level (Casey Rabach, [B]Randy Thomas[/B], Devin Thomas) from the offensive gameplan. Only then can the Redskins allow Portis, Campbell, Moss, and Cooley to flourish.[/quote]

I think Thomas would be a stretch. God knows Jansen and Rabach need to go. Kendall.. I think he's flying under the radar, I don't know how he's been doing honestly. Hes part of that strong side over with Samuels. So I wouldn't mind keeping him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;501502][B]I think everyone needs to chill out. [/B]The bottom line is the guys are playing hard, we just don't have the horses on offense. Yes we don't sack the qb but this one is on the offense. The guys we drafted have given us not a damn thing. So far all three of them are busts IMO. I don't see anything changing. We're 10 games in and I think everyone can see what type of team we are. Average.[/quote]

Oh God, here we go...

Critique the performance of your team after a loss, and you're a raving lunatic.

Please. People are just calling like it is -- and apparently the way you are towards the end of your post.

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Bad OL, officiating, offense, etc. A game of missed opportunities....as usual.

This stuff kills me, if we were clearly the inferior team then I wouldn't mind. I will give Dallas props for running all over us in the end...

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Also Moss should have had that deep pass

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[quote=wilsowilso;501512]Look at the offensive and defensive lines of the Titans, Giants and Patriots. Chris Samuels might be the only player on our team that plays offensive or defensive line that would actually be a starter on any of those three units. Randy Thomas has really really dropped off. Rabach and Jansen are just bad. Griffin and Kendall are old. Andre Carter is mediocre, Golston and Motgomery are just ok and Jason Taylor is hurt and or washed up. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.[/quote]

That post is spot on. Couldn't have said it better.

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[quote=LMsexyAO;501491]All of a sudden having the most experience OL in the NFL is looking a lot more like a weakness than a strength[/quote]

all of a sudden?

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you guys got jobbed by the officials on the last meaningful play of the game. 4th and 2, Crayton comes in motion and is clearly moving forward towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. Should have been flagged for illegal motion but inexplicably wasn't. It was really obvious watching on TV that should have been a penalty, which would have likely forced a field goal attempt on a 4th and 7. I am not even a Redskins fan(I live in buffalo and am a Bills fan), but that was a horrendous no call by the official...

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Why is every pass that's down field off a play action? Can't we go deep without always slowing the play down and giving more time for the pass rush?

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[quote=Ruhskins;501501]I just hope we have a winning record at the end of the season. Playoffs are slipping away, and we're in a 3-way tie for the 6th spot in the playoffs (just like last year). I don't see this happening the way we're playing.[/quote]

I don't think we're out of the playoff picture yet, but we're not going to win too many games scoring 10 points and going 3 and out half the time we have the ball. People are hating on the Def tonite but in all seriousness when you let a team like Dallas control TOP your defense is going to become exhausted pretty quickly. Story would have been different if the offense established consistently long drives that kept Dallas' offense and our defense off the field.

Kudos to Portis playing hurt. The guy wants to win and is not afraid to go out there and try to carry the team on his back. IMHO, he's the best get we've had in the past 5 years not just from a standpoint of being a great running back, but also being a positive influence on the field and in the locker room.

I feel for Jason Campbell. It must suck being him because it seems like every time he drops back to pass he's walking on a mine field in a war zone. The passing game will never develop without protection. It's gotta start with the line.

Can't do much with the line until the end of the year, but for now sit down Jansen and put Heyer back out on the field. I seriously think Jansen has a better future as a commentator than a RT. The O-line is in serious need of a youth movement.

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[quote=matter2003;501530]you guys got jobbed by the officials on the last meaningful play of the game. 4th and 2, Crayton comes in motion and is clearly moving forward towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. Should have been flagged for illegal motion but inexplicably wasn't. It was really obvious watching on TV that should have been a penalty. I am not even a Redskins fan(I live in buffalo and am a Bills fan), but that was a horrendous no call by the official...[/quote]

Sadly, even if the bad calls had gone our way, our defense would have found a way to waste those opportunities.

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[quote=wilsowilso;501522]Yeah he just seems really out of sorts.[/quote]

He's playing out of position. They have Horton playing in his natural position.

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[quote=matter2003;501530][B]you guys got jobbed by the officials on the last meaningful play of the game.[/B] 4th and 2, Crayton comes in motion and is clearly moving forward towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. Should have been flagged for illegal motion but inexplicably wasn't. It was really obvious watching on TV that should have been a penalty, which would have likely forced a field goal attempt on a 4th and 7. I am not even a Redskins fan(I live in buffalo and am a Bills fan), but that was a horrendous no call by the official...[/quote]

We got jobbed all game. But it's good to see someone who's not even a fan of the team, see that we were getting hosed all game. Makes us seem less crazy.

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[quote=wilsowilso;501519]You're joking right. Bruce Smith was terrible on the Redskins.[/quote]

He did have a 10 sack season... but yes, when Bruce Smith is the last thing you can point at -- that is a joke.

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[quote=Beemnseven;501537]He did have a 10 sack season... but yes, when Bruce Smith is the last thing you can point at -- that is a joke.[/quote]

I guess he wasn't terrible just terribly one dimensional once he got to the Skins.

On the bright side we have a really good secondary.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;501536]We got jobbed all game. But it's good to see someone who's not even a fan of the team, see that we were getting hosed all game. Makes us seem less crazy.[/quote]

We got jobbed by the o-line. LOL.

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[quote=matter2003;501530]you guys got jobbed by the officials on the last meaningful play of the game. 4th and 2, Crayton comes in motion and is clearly moving forward towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. Should have been flagged for illegal motion but inexplicably wasn't. It was really obvious watching on TV that should have been a penalty, which would have likely forced a field goal attempt on a 4th and 7. I am not even a Redskins fan(I live in buffalo and am a Bills fan), but that was a horrendous no call by the official...[/quote]

they also refused to call holding and many facemasks at the line

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[quote=Ruhskins;501540]We got jobbed by the o-line. LOL.[/quote]

That's for sure. You'd think the refs and the o-line were conspiring.

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They gave the ball to Marion Barber 11 straight times to step on our throat. Wow. That's embarrassing. Barring a big turnaround, we're in a for an ugly stretch run. We seem to be regressing weekly.

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[quote=LongTimeSkinsFan;501533]I don't think we're out of the playoff picture yet, but we're not going to win too many games scoring 10 points and going 3 and out half the time we have the ball. People are hating on the Def tonite but in all seriousness when you let a team like Dallas control TOP your defense is going to become exhausted pretty quickly. Story would have been different if the offense established consistently long drives that kept Dallas' offense and our defense off the field.

Kudos to Portis playing hurt. The guy wants to win and is not afraid to go out there and try to carry the team on his back. IMHO, he's the best get we've had in the past 5 years not just from a standpoint of being a great running back, but also being a positive influence on the field and in the locker room.

I feel for Jason Campbell. It must suck being him because it seems like every time he drops back to pass he's walking on a mine field in a war zone. The passing game will never develop without protection. It's gotta start with the line.

Can't do much with the line until the end of the year, but for now sit down Jansen and put Heyer back out on the field. I seriously think Jansen has a better future as a commentator than a RT. [B]The O-line is in serious need of a youth movement.[/B][/quote]

Some of us were saying that long before the April draft, but apparently there were NO offensive linemen worth taking with any of our THREE second round picks.

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[quote=tryfuhl;501541]they also refused to call holding and many facemasks at the line[/quote]

Do you think this is why we lost?

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I imagined Zorn would show a little more passion in the post game conference.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;501523]I think Thomas would be a stretch. God knows Jansen and Rabach need to go. Kendall.. I think he's flying under the radar, I don't know how he's been doing honestly. Hes part of that strong side over with Samuels. So I wouldn't mind keeping him.[/quote]Kendall is having a great year. Samuels WAS having a great year, but the injury is clearly making a difference. Rabach is awful. Thomas is awful. Jansen hasn't been [I]that[/I] bad, but he's not agile enough to block someone with more than one move. Luckily, on the right side, most of the rushers he faces only have one move, and he did pretty well tonight. Campbell has little faith in him and keeps flushing himself on plays were Jansen actually has pretty good leverage.

The OL is pretty good at run blocking, but it doesn't matter if teams can just stack the box on you.

We faced a lot of piss poor opposing coaches in the the first half of the season, which I think masked a lot of issues with the offensive line. We were able to grind out the fourth quarter because Campbell was BURNING people who blitzed us. So rather than fill the box and not blitz, these idiot coaches just backed way off and Portis just gashed them.

Randle El has been huge this year for us, but when he's hurt there's just nothing the passing game can hope to accomplish. Our offensive depth is beyond the realm of awful. Back in 2006, a lack of depth on defense killed us. We've totally fixed that problem, and we now have great depth on defense, but we need everyone healthy on offense to be great and we're just not.

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Also: Landry is not Sean Taylor back there. Teams can get the big plays against us.

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I knew when we didn't capitalize on those turnovers. We were going to lose. It was just like the Steelers game. The defense can't keep up like that the whole game. They're bound to give at some point. Dallas & our poor offensive play eventually wore them down.

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[quote=WaldSkins;501545]Do you think this is why we lost?[/quote]

not necessarily

it could have changed the game, but if you can't put up more than 10 points you have bigger issues than missed calls, imo

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[quote=wilsowilso;501512]Look at the offensive and defensive lines of the Titans, Giants and Patriots. Chris Samuels might be the only player on our team that plays offensive or defensive line that would actually be a starter on any of those three units. Randy Thomas has really really dropped off. Rabach and Jansen are just bad. Griffin and Kendall are old. Andre Carter is mediocre, Golston and Motgomery are just ok and Jason Taylor is hurt and or washed up. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.[/quote]

Couldn't say it better if I tried. The exact precise reason why we're not winning. We don't force turnovers or pressure the QB. That starts with D-line. O-line has been good run blockers, but they suck something awful in pass pro.

Neglecting the line scrimmage on both sides of the ball in the draft over the years has us where we are today. Mediocre at best.

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[quote=tryfuhl;501553]not necessarily

it could have changed the game, but if you can't put up more than 10 points you have bigger issues than missed calls, imo[/quote]

I agree we have much bigger issues. However, in a 4 point game a few missed calls can cost u the game.