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[quote=mredskins;650380]Just move on BHA is a Negative Nancy.[/quote]

Nothing's been decided yet. I'm being "negative" about a potential move i see as the 2nd best one we could make. Once Shanahan is hired, i'll move on and hope he is better than he's ever shown he can be. you're just pissed because i'm stating undisputable facts about the records of two coaches. if there's only two sticks, we're definitely getting the shorter one with shanahan.

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Shanahan:

[QUOTE]Career record 138-90-0 (Regular Season)
8-5 (Postseason)
146-95-0 (Overall) [/QUOTE]

Cowher:

[QUOTE]149-90-1 (regular season record)
12-9 (playoff record)
161-99-1 (overall record)
[/QUOTE]

I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's
[QUOTE]1998 Super Bowl XXXIII
1997 Super Bowl XXXII
1994 Super Bowl XXIX
[/QUOTE]

Cowher won 1 SB
[QUOTE]Super Bowl XL victory (2005) [/QUOTE]

Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:
[QUOTE]1998 AFC Championship
1997 AFC Championship
1994 NFC Championship
(Offensive Coordinator)
1987 AFC Championship
(Offensive Coordinator)
1986 AFC Championship
(Offensive Coordinator)[/QUOTE]

Cowher was in 2 championship games:
[QUOTE]2 AFC Championship victories (1995, 2005) [/QUOTE]

I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.

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[quote=dmek25;650337]why? Snyder is loaded to the gills, and has already proven he will spend money.[/quote]

Plus, he wants to win. It's worth the money to finally succeed as an owner. I'm sure we won't be whining about the money as Shanahan is hoisting the Lombardi.

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[quote=SBXVII;650387]Shanahan:



Cowher:



I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's


Cowher won 1 SB


Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:


Cowher was in 2 championship games:


I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.[/quote]


Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them. Cowher got BETTER as his career progressed. Shanahan got worse.

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[quote=SBXVII;650387]Shanahan:



Cowher:



I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's


Cowher won 1 SB


Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:


Cowher was in 2 championship games:


I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.[/quote]

Compared to Zorn, I'll take those numbers. Flip a coin.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650391]Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them.[/quote]

Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.

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Well if the coaches were the only element in the game we could really break it down. However, it's not a 1 on 1 sport between coaches, so we'll just have to see.

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BHA, are you taking into account times when Shanahan's Broncos won the division and earned a bye while Cowher's Steelers had to play a Wild Card game? I mean to me that's essentially a playoff win (with an asterisk) when you earn a bye.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650391]Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them. Cowher got BETTER as his career progressed. Shanahan got worse.[/quote]

Cowher must have been very special to the Rooney family it took him what 15 years to win a Super Bowl. Most coaches don't get that long and only have 1 Super Bowl Ring & 2 AFC Championships.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650386]Nothing's been decided yet. I'm being "negative" about a potential move i see as the 2nd best one we could make. Once Shanahan is hired, i'll move on and hope he is better than he's ever shown he can be. you're just pissed because i'm stating undisputable facts about the records of two coaches. [B]if there's only two sticks, we're definitely getting the shorter one with shanahan[/B].[/quote]

If the "sticks" are Lombardi trophies, Shanahan's got two, and Bill only has one.

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Cowher and Shanahan are pretty comparable, Shanahan being offensive minded and Cowher defensive minded. Shanahan won 2 SB's with Elway, Cowher lost one with Neil O'Donnell and won one with Rothlisberger.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650386]Nothing's been decided yet. I'm being "negative" about a potential move i see as the 2nd best one we could make. Once Shanahan is hired, i'll move on and hope he is better than he's ever shown he can be. you're just pissed because i'm stating undisputable facts about the records of two coaches. if there's only two sticks, we're definitely getting the shorter one with shanahan.[/quote]


Dude you are getting wrecked on here, sign off for the day.

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[quote=SBXVII;650397]Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.[/quote]

you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.

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In a few hours all of this is going to be moot any way.

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^^Hours?

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[quote=Mattyk;650426]In a few hours all of this is going to be moot any way.[/quote]

True. It will be official what we've pretty much known for a [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/642144-post55.html]while[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650423] but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.[/quote]

i think statements like this, or "its not even debateable that cowher is better than shanahan" come off as ignorant. :)

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;650428]^^Hours?[/quote]

Sure, I think it's safe to say Shanahan will be official very soon.

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Personally I would prefer Cowher to Shanahan. But to claim that there is a wide gap between them is problematic. There are good arguments for both.

My preference soon becomes irrelevant, anyway.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;650405]Cowher must have been very special to the Rooney family it took him what 15 years to win a Super Bowl. Most coaches don't get that long and only have 1 Super Bowl Ring & 2 AFC Championships.[/quote]

And I think it is fair to say he would not get that here. Shanahan has a higher upside out of the gate, and knows DS and BA and can work with them. Cowher would come here like a raging maniac and tear the team down, DS would get antsy and we would be right back to where we were with Marty. IF this franchise is going to work, there has to be cohesion and understanding of proper roles. I think Shanahan showed far more ability to work with what Bowlen wanted, and that allowed Bowlen to trust him. Cowher simply came into a family that believed in stay the course and we will win. And he did eventually. We are not a "stay the course" franchise. We need a coach and GM who DS respect completely, and who can talk to him clearly. I think that makes MS a better fit here, even if BHA's statistics show Cowher to have had a marginally better career.

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Is Shanny agent still at Redskin Park?

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[quote=over the mountain;650433]i think statements like this, or "its not even debateable that cowher is better than shanahan" come off as ignorant. :)[/quote]

touche'

(how do i get that cool accent mark thingie to appear over the e? wait. does that make me more ignorant that i don't already know the answer?)

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[quote=SmootSmack;650432]True. It will be official what we've pretty much known for a [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/642144-post55.html]while[/url][/quote]

Dreamkiller.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650440]And I think it is fair to say he would not get that here. Shanahan has a higher upside out of the gate, and knows DS and BA and can work with them. Cowher would come here like a raging maniac and tear the team down, DS would get antsy and we would be right back to where we were with Marty. IF this franchise is going to work, there has to be cohesion and understanding of proper roles. I think Shanahan showed far more ability to work with what Bowlen wanted, and that allowed Bowlen to trust him. Cowher simply came into a family that believed in stay the course and we will win. And he did eventually. We are not a "stay the course" franchise. We need a coach and GM who DS respect completely, and who can talk to him clearly. I think that makes MS a better fit here, even if BHA's statistics show Cowher to have had a marginally better career.[/quote]

Nice post.

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Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [url=http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG]golf buddy[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;650447]Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [URL="http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG"]golf buddy[/URL][/quote]
from what I hear about Shanny that wouldn't be par for the course

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[quote=SmootSmack;650447]Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [url=http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG]golf buddy[/url][/quote]

Yikes.

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[quote=SmootSmack;650447]Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [url=http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG]golf buddy[/url][/quote]

No please no

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[quote=SmootSmack;650402]BHA, are you taking into account times when Shanahan's Broncos won the division and earned a bye while Cowher's Steelers had to play a Wild Card game? I mean to me that's essentially a playoff win (with an asterisk) when you earn a bye.[/quote]

I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and [U]playoff results[/U].

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. [U]What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did. [/U]

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

[B][U]Last 3 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

[B][U]Last 10 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650423]you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.[/quote]

I see what your getting at but I still wouldn't say "immensely" better. As much as it's a "what have you done for me lately" it's also a "prove your worth" league. In other words Shanahan has gotten to and won more championships and SB's vs. Cowher. I don't think it matters if it was 10yrs ago or 4yrs ago. Everyone was excited about JG2 cause he was a proven commodity and has gotten to the big house. I'd say both Cowher and Shanahan are proven commodities but Shanahan has gotten to the big house more often not simply had a chance and didn't make it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650458]I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and [U]playoff results[/U].

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. [U][B]What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did. [/B] [/U]

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

[B][U]Last 3 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

[B][U]Last 10 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.[/quote]

I didn't realize Shanahan's success as a head coach happened almost twenty years ago. I thought this was 2010, not 2020?

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[quote=SmootSmack;650447]Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his [url=http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/07/504x_20090718__20090719_C03_SP19SHANNY_p1_02.JPG]golf buddy[/url][/quote]

Come on, he could tell Shanny who to get as our next great QB/WR combo!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650458]I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and [U]playoff results[/U].

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. [U]What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did. [/U]

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

[B][U]Last 3 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

[B][U]Last 10 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.[/quote]


i don't know for sure,but i would have to think that the defenses by each team during those years had something to do with their final records. niether shanny nor cower should be blamed or praised for their teams defense. they were head coaches not dc's.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650458]I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and [U]playoff results[/U].

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. [U]What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did. [/U]

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

[B][U]Last 3 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

[B][U]Last 10 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.[/quote]

That's total nonsense. It's a team effort, and it's the whole organization that builds a team. Not just the head coach. Just because coach A was successful on one team, or not successful. Doesn't mean that he won't be successful on another.

How many coaches have won superbowls or made the playoffs for one team, and failed to deliver in another?

I'm happy that Shanny is going to be our new coach. I'm excited to see the run game be established again in D.C.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650458]I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and [U]playoff results[/U].

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. [U]What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did. [/U]

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

[B][U]Last 3 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

[B][U]Last 10 years[/U][/B]
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.[/quote]

You sound like the Dallas fans who come on here and say ... " Dallas has a better record in the last 10 yrs." but they don't want to look at 15 or 20 yrs worth of stats. :)

I'll buy the fact that I think Cowher would be better based off the fact he would be a disciplinarian and would not put up with the crap some of the players have tried. Shanahan I'm worried about but I have heard he treats all the players equal and there is no prima dona's on his teams. Funny he tried for T.O.

Although he would be HC (Shanahan) you still have to go beyond that and look at his supporting cast and Kyle Shanahan looks to be pretty good with his top 10 offense. Maybe dad can help get the running game back in order and son can get the passing game in order. ;)

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Gee...how many Super Bowls did Belichick win when he was head coach of Cleveland? Both resumes would be impressive enough to win the coaching job in D.C., but you can pretty much throw out any stats you are using to support your argument. You can't go by what either coach did in other cities and expect the same exact results. You would hope that happens, but this is a different situation. So, saying that Shanahan had a certain winning percentage at the tail end of his career in Denver and say that is what to expect in Washington year in and year out is a ridiculously stupid assumption.

I say enough of this time wasting argument. Shanahan is the Redskins next Head Coach. Just deal with it and be thankful we're getting a head coach who has had success in the NFL in the last decade or so.

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There are so many factors behind the success of a coach. Tossing around numbers like they prove anything beyond a doubt is a little silly to me.

Cowher and Shanahan are both fine coaches, some of the best in the biz. For any team looking for a coach, both guys would be at the top of most wish lists.

Considering what we've been through, the future sure looks so much brighter now with some proven football minds at the top of the organization.

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[quote=skinsguy;650474]Gee...how many Super Bowls did Belichick win when he was head coach of Cleveland? Both resumes would be impressive enough to win the coaching job in D.C., but you can pretty much throw out any stats you are using to support your argument. You can't go by what either coach did in other cities and expect the same exact results. You would hope that happens, but this is a different situation. So, saying that Shanahan had a certain winning percentage at the tail end of his career in Denver and say that is what to expect in Washington year in and year out is a ridiculously stupid assumption.

I say enough of this time wasting argument. Shanahan is the Redskins next Head Coach. Just deal with it and be thankful we're getting a head coach who has had success in the NFL in the last decade or so.[/quote]

and not a QB coach moved to HC, or an unproven OC.

Re: Report: Shanahan to DC done deal
 

[quote=skinsguy;650465]I didn't realize Shanahan's success as a head coach happened almost twenty years ago. I thought this was 2010, not 2020?[/quote]

Ok, i'll be more specific. 1997 and 1998. Guess thats what? 11 and 12 years ago? (Admittedly not 20, but more than 10). Since then, Shanahan hasn't done anything impressive. Cowher on the other hand, had most of his success in his most recent 10 years.

If you look at their two careers, they appear to be going in different directions. Cowher - UP, Shanahan, Down.

[quote=wolfeskins;650467]i don't know for sure,but i would have to think that the defenses by each team during those years had something to do with their final records. niether shanny nor cower should be blamed or praised for their teams defense. they were head coaches not dc's.[/quote]

The head coach is JUST as responsible for the teams defense as he is the offense, so i don't get your point here. If we were talking about offensive or defensive coordinators, then it would make sense to compare how their individual units performed. The head coach is responsible for results: coaching a team that can win football games and go to the playoffs.

I say enough of this time wasting argument. Shanahan is the Redskins next Head Coach. Just deal with it and be thankful we're getting a head coach who has [U]had success in the NFL in the last decade [/U]or so.[/QUOTE]

Shanahan hasn't had success in the last decade and thats my problem with him. He's been on a downward spiral since elway retired. To his credit, his offense were always good and he's been researching the NFLs successful franchises during this past year. IMO shanahan won't succeed here unless he sticks to coaching his side of the ball and entrusts the defense to an agressive defensive coordinator. Shanahan's defenses have been very poor historically, otherwise he would still be coaching in denver.

Re: Report: Shanahan to DC done deal
 

[quote=SBXVII;650477]and not a QB coach moved to HC, or an unproven OC.[/quote]

I heard Cleveland's QB coach was available, maybe we should dump this dumb Shanahan talk and sign him up - at vet min of course.