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To say "we can play well in the trenches with who we already have" has yet to be seen or proven [B]consistently[/B]... That said, 4/5 O-line starters are solid, though not spectacular... J. Brown is the obvious weak link, making RT a position of clear need in the draft assuming D. Bell doesn't sign with us. If D. Bell does sign here, FS, CB and a slot WR become our top draft needs, in that order. If Bell doesn't sign, a RT should be our pick in the 3rd.

As for the WR's I don't see Gaffney leaving, Moss is 50/50 (maybe a June 1st cut), Hankerson is safe, and Garcon and Morgan are givens. The fact that we tried to sign Royal is bad news for Banks, Austin, and AA; and since we didn't sign Royal, I don't see why we wouldn't draft a slot WR/RS similar to Royal.

I think we keep 6 WR's: Hank, Garcon, Morgan, Gaffney, Draft Pick, Paul

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gaffney saves us 3mill if cut. moss was injured last year and cutting him doesn't help us capwise at all, so between him and gaff, moss is more likely to stay on the roster. I doubt we waste a pick on another WR unless it's an A+++ returner... we already had a draft pick and 2 big signings.

paul also hasn't proven anything beyond his ability to run block a bit.

with our picks, i'm guessing well be looking heavily at DBs and OL types every single chance we get.

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Both are sick and for the future. Morgan looked liek the best niner WR before he got hurt last year.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/browns-reportedly-outbid-for-pierre-garcon-and-josh-morgan/]Browns reportedly outbid for Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;903818][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/browns-reportedly-outbid-for-pierre-garcon-and-josh-morgan/]Browns reportedly outbid for Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

That Browns game this season is going to be [I]extremely[/I] interesting.

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To be fair though, there is really no way that the Browns would have gotten them anyway. Why would a WR go to a team that doesn't have a QB? While we don't have [I]the[/I] QB on the roster yet, there is no way we leave the draft this year without our franchise guy and Garcon and Morgan knew that.

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[quote=Mattyk;903818][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/browns-reportedly-outbid-for-pierre-garcon-and-josh-morgan/]Browns reportedly outbid for Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Can't wait to see the new youtube video by that angry Browns fan. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;903828]Can't wait to see the new youtube video by that angry Browns fan. LOL.[/quote]

"I am sick and tired of this current Browns organization failing to get better from year to year. YOU CAN'T EVEN SPEND MONEY RIGHT! YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE ASSLOADS OF DRAFT PICKS AWAY FOR ONE PLAYER! YOU FAIL AT EVERYTHING YOU DO. YOU'VE DOOMED US FOR ANOTHER 50 YEARS OF FAILURE. DOOOOOOOOOOMED. I hate it. I'm done with this team. Maybe if we didn't have a bitter walrus thats jealous of other coaches' in the FO we could have a better team. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED I tells ya."

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I love the first sentence of that article.

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[quote=Ruhskins;903828]Can't wait to see the new youtube video by that angry Browns fan. LOL.[/quote]

There probably won't be one. He probably stabbed himself with that machete when he saw that article.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1umrxqCB-w]Hysterical - You're Doomed! - YouTube[/url]

Anyone remember this movie? Skip to 1:25 for relevant parts

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[quote=Jontrem;904051][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1umrxqCB-w]Hysterical - You're Doomed! - YouTube[/url]

Anyone remember this movie? Skip to 1:25 for relevant parts[/quote]

Funny :rofl:

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The Browns should pony up for Mike Wallace.
It drastically improves their WRs and it directly weakens a rival.

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The Browns need to forget about Garcon and Morgan and concentrate on their draft. They are in a unique position to draft Justin Blackmon. They should just do that.

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[quote=30gut;904117]The Browns should pony up for Mike Wallace.
It drastically improves their WRs and it directly weakens a rival.[/quote]Problem is they would be forced to give up the 4th pick. They can't opt to give up the 22nd instead.

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[quote=GTripp0012;904119]Problem is they would be forced to give up the 4th pick. They can't opt to give up the 22nd instead.[/quote]Tough call for them.
Justin Blackmon might be there at @4 and he might be good but Wallace is a guarantee.

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If any division rival should take Wallace it's Baltimore but salary cap prevents that, plus Baltimore doesn't make FA splashes

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[quote=30gut;904124]Tough call for them.
Justin Blackmon might be there at @4 and he might be good but Wallace is a guarantee.[/quote]Agree, but Wallace really kills the salary structure of a team that needs more pieces. I'm not sure he really fits their offense either, but even if he doesn't, it would still do a lot to close the gap between them and Pittsburgh.

The problem with the 4th pick isn't so much that it's too valuable to give up for Mike Wallace. It's that its too valuable to give to Pittsburgh.

Cleveland should take Trent Richardson, who can improve their offense by more than Wallace can, and then just hope that someone else is aggressive enough to sign Wallace to a blockbuster.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904127]If any division rival should take Wallace it's Baltimore but salary cap prevents that, plus Baltimore doesn't make FA splashes[/quote]I think it's safe to put Wallace back in Pittsburgh at this point. And I do think a couple of teams are making a mistake by not signing him to an offer sheet. I just don't believe the Browns or Bengals are making a mistake.

The Ravens would obviously make a lot of sense, but like you said, any deal the Ravens can offer, Pittsburgh can match.

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If I'm Cleveland Trent Richardson at 4, Kendall Wright at 22, best QB available in 2nd round.

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I've already put Wallace back in Pittsburgh, especially with B. Lloyd headed to New England. With us I see Garcon and Hank as our top 2 WRs this season with Moss (If here) and Morgan working the slot.

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[quote=GTripp0012;904128]The problem with the 4th pick isn't so much that it's too valuable to give up for Mike Wallace. It's that its too valuable to give to Pittsburgh.

Cleveland should take Trent Richardson, who can improve their offense by more than Wallace can, and then just hope that someone else is aggressive enough to sign Wallace to a blockbuster.[/quote]Good points.
I actually hope the Browns give Colt McCoy another year.
I would love to see which QB has the better year between him and Bradford.

But at the same time I wonder if the Browns have entertained the thought of bringing in McNabb, I wonder what McNabb would look like back in his old offense.
But, I doubt McNabb has any fire left.

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904132]If I'm Cleveland Trent Richardson at 4, Kendall Wright at 22, best QB available in 2nd round.[/quote]Richardson and Wright?
That would be a solid haul.

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^ I would see it that way. Richardson will make McCoy look better especially with the OL they have.

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Why would the 4th pick be so dangerous in the Steelers' hands? They'd probably just tack
Blackmon, which isn't even as good as getting Wallace back. Unless you think Trent Richardson is more valuable to the Steelers than Wallace is to them (Tripp)?

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[quote=The Goat;904156]Why would the 4th pick be so dangerous in the Steelers' hands? They'd probably just tack
Blackmon, which isn't even as good as getting Wallace back. Unless you think Trent Richardson is more valuable to the Steelers than Wallace is to them (Tripp)?[/quote]The pick would be Richardson or Claiborne maybe.

But if they really like Blackmon and would take him, he's a four-five year commitment. Whereas Wallace might be able to walk as a free agent next year anyway.

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The Browns are in a good situation to land two top wide receivers in this coming draft. They could draft Justin Blackmon with the #4 pick and Kendell Wright with the #22 pick. These would be phenomenon

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The Browns are in a good situation to land two top wide receivers in this coming draft. They could draft Justin Blackmon with the #4 pick and Kendell Wright with the #22 pick. These would be two phenomenal weapons for Colt McCoy. While opting to draft Trent Richardson would be a nice move, they can always find a running back later in the draft to combine with Wright and Blackmon. Colt McCoy needs sure weapons.

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dont foget they have greg little who was a rookie last year. i like this guy and was hoping we would draft him, i think he can develop into a solid receiver

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[quote=Mattyk;903818][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/browns-reportedly-outbid-for-pierre-garcon-and-josh-morgan/"]Browns reportedly outbid for Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]


Also...

[url=http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_20261117/incomplete-pass-vikings-made-strong-run-at-pierre?source=rss]Incomplete pass: Vikings made a strong run at Pierre Garcon before he signed with Redskins - TwinCities.com[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;904244]Also...

[url=http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_20261117/incomplete-pass-vikings-made-strong-run-at-pierre?source=rss]Incomplete pass: Vikings made a strong run at Pierre Garcon before he signed with Redskins - TwinCities.com[/url][/quote]

But wait, I thought we vastly overpaid for an unproven, QB made player who can't catch and doesn't run anything other than fly routes. You mean other teams were interested and willing to pay him more than VET MIN? Gasp and swoon, the talking heads must be aghast.

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[quote=Paintrain;904251]But wait, I thought we vastly overpaid for an unproven, QB made player who can't catch and doesn't run anything other than fly routes. You mean other teams were interested and willing to pay him more than VET MIN? Gasp and swoon, the talking heads must be aghast.[/quote]

Garcon is a good wr but now he's an overpaid wr at roughly 7 mil per season. I guess he's being paid on potential and not production.

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[quote=skinsfan69;904270]Garcon is a good wr but now he's an overpaid wr at roughly 7 mil per season. I guess he's being paid on potential and not production.[/quote]

But isn't that what we killed the previous regime for? Paying players based on past production rather than potential? How can we determine overpaid or underpaid until we are a couple of years into the contract and see what he's producing?

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[quote=Paintrain;904294]But isn't that what we killed the previous regime for? Paying players based on past production rather than potential? How can we determine overpaid or underpaid until we are a couple of years into the contract and see what he's producing?[/quote]

I think the fact that the Browns and Vikes were after Garcon makes me okay with what we paid him. Overall there appeared to be a big demand for WRs from the get go and that drove up the price of all WRs.

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[quote=Ruhskins;904297]I think the fact that the Browns and Vikes were after Garcon makes me okay with what we paid him. Overall there appeared to be a big demand for WRs from the get go and that drove up the price of all WRs.[/quote]
And the fact that the Colts wanted to retain him is always a good sign.

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[quote=Paintrain;904294]But isn't that what we killed the previous regime for? Paying players based on past production rather than potential? How can we determine overpaid or underpaid until we are a couple of years into the contract and see what he's producing?[/quote]

We can determine it by the players resume. Plus free agent wr's usually don't pan out. If we had no intention of letting the young guys develop then why draft them? Could've used those picks on other positions. Now we have Garcon and Morgan which probably means less time and opportunity for Hank, Austin, Paul and Robinson.

Had the Giants gone out and got free agent wr's when Steve Smith got hurt then how would've Cruz gotten on the field? What about Wallace and Antonio Brown in Pittsburgh? Sometimes you gotta trust your scouts and coaching and let your guys develop.

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[quote=skinsfan69;904313]We can determine it by the players resume. Plus free agent wr's usually don't pan out. If we had no intention of letting the young guys develop then why draft them? Could've used those picks on other positions. Now we have Garcon and Morgan which probably means less time and opportunity for Hank, Austin, Paul and Robinson.

Had the Giants gone out and got free agent wr's when Steve Smith got hurt then how would've Cruz gotten on the field? What about Wallace and Antonio Brown in Pittsburgh? Sometimes you gotta trust your scouts and coaching and let your guys develop.[/quote]

Yeah but both of those teams have established QBs that helped develop those young WRs. Plus, when Big Ben took over in Pittsburgh, he had two experienced WRs in Hines (who was a Pro Bowler) and Burress. If you invest on a young QB, you want to give him weapons right away and not gamble with the development of young WRs.

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What makes you so sure Hank won't see the field with Garcon and Morgan signing? Of the 3 WRs we drafted last year only Hank showed any promise. I predict Hank and Garcon will be our opening day starters with Morgan and Moss (if he stays) working the slot.

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garcon turned down 5yr 35$mill from the colts, so we already knew 40mill was the base to get him... i'm fine with it, but if he signed somewhere else for that money, i'd be okay with that too. it was what he was going to get regardless.

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[quote=Paintrain;904251]But wait, I thought we vastly overpaid for an unproven, QB made player who can't catch and doesn't run anything other than fly routes. You mean other teams were interested and willing to pay him more than VET MIN? Gasp and swoon, the talking heads must be aghast.[/quote]

Garçon was definitely the #2 WR available in free agency, and demand for his services was high. Anyone that denies that is just a hatter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;904270]Garcon is a good wr but now he's an overpaid wr at roughly 7 mil per season. I guess he's being paid on potential and not production.[/quote]

If you have a problem with Garcon then your really going to have a problem with RG3. He's all potential also and no production.