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[quote=dmek25;942238]let me ask you a question( or 2) first, do you think the only people that commit voter fraud are Dem's? and secondly, how much actual voter fraud goes on?[/quote]

Nothing is exclusive to one party and who knows how much voter fraud goes on because we have no real checks and balance. I do know when I moved years back I voted totally by accident at the wrong polling place and they checked off my dads name like he had voted (same name). The only way I knew was when he went to vote they told him he had allready voted. There is something wrong with a system if they don't check any form of ID or have any way to track who is actually voting. Here is what's required in VA. They are not asking for much. To not have one of these forms of ID one would have to live isolated in the woods.

[B]Acceptable forms of identification include the following:[/B][LIST][*]Virginia Voter Registration Card[*]Valid Virginia driver's license[*]Military ID[*]Any Federal, Virginia state or local government-issued ID[*]Employer issued photo ID card[*]Concealed handgun permit[*]Valid student ID issued by any institution of higher education located in the Commonwealth of Virginia[*]Current utility bill, bank statement, government check or paycheck indicating the name and address of the voter[*]Social Security card (*please see below as the social security card does not satisfy special federal ID requirements)[/LIST]

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[quote=firstdown;942328]
[B]Acceptable forms of identification include the following:[/B][LIST][*]Virginia Voter Registration Card [*]Valid Virginia driver's license [COLOR="Red"][B](Costs money)[/B][/COLOR][*]Military ID [COLOR="Red"][B](selective and small base of people)[/B][/COLOR][*]Any Federal, Virginia state or local government-issued ID [COLOR="Red"][B](Costs money)[/B][/COLOR][*]Employer issued photo ID card [B][COLOR="Red"](rare and selective)[/COLOR][/B][*]Concealed handgun permit [COLOR="Red"][B](Costs money)[/B][/COLOR][*]Valid student ID issued by any institution of higher education located in the Commonwealth of Virginia [COLOR="Red"][B](Costs money)[/B][/COLOR][*]Current utility bill, bank statement, government check or paycheck indicating the name and address of the voter[*]Social Security card [COLOR="Red"][B](*please see below as the social security card does not satisfy special federal ID requirements)[/B][/COLOR][/LIST][/quote]


Noted. So out of that whole group, really the only thing that is going to be useful without having to provide money or jump through a bunch of hoops is the utility bill/bank statement/gov check.

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[quote=NC_Skins;942335]Noted. So out of that whole group, really the only thing that is going to be useful without having to provide money or jump through a bunch of hoops is the utility bill/bank statement/gov check.[/quote]

Why would you pay for any of those if all you need was the FREE voter ID card? Also the SS card restriction is federal not state.

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[quote=firstdown;942365]Why would you pay for any of those if all you need was the FREE voter ID card? Also the SS card restriction is federal not state.[/quote]

Well, if the "Free" Id voter card requires items that COST money, then it really isn't free is it?

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[quote=NC_Skins;942381]Well, if the "Free" Id voter card requires items that COST money, then it really isn't free is it?[/quote]

Your argument is very weak at best. You don't even need an ID to obtain a Voter ID card.

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[quote=NC_Skins;942048]Want to respond to this. You know as well as I do that China has underage kids working in factories. Sure Mitt said the ages of 18-23 in his speech, but did he check all of their ID and documentation? I would bet my life on the fact there are underage workers at that particular factory he was at. Let's talk about the safety factor. Barbed wire fencing? What if the place burnt down? Think Mitt cares? **** no. As long as Mitt's pockets are getting lined, he doesn't care if they hire 13 year old girls and work them until they drop.[/quote]And there are underage sweatshops in this country. Should you assume every time you see Obama at a plant, that he's going for child labor? Should Obama be checking the ID and documentation of every place he visits? Does Obama check fire codes of all the places he visits? The bastard!

Yes there are underage sweatshops in China, and this country. So why do you assume the plant Romney went to employed children? Do Chinese factories simply not employ people over the age of 13, or only the ones associated with Romney?

The captions put in the video assert Romney was supporting child labor, but in this covert video, Romney never says so.

So again, are you going to start accusing Obama of supporting child labor? If not, why not? It's no bigger leap than the one you're already making.

[quote=NC_Skins;942048]The video says more about him providing jobs in China as opposed to the US. Isn't he supposed to be this miracle "job creator" he's trying to boast? Yet, here we see him talking about his factory where his cheap labor force continues to make him bank. Mitt is going to do what's best for him and his cronies. Continue to cut taxes on his wealth class, leave open loop holes, and continue to allow jobs to be shipped overseas. It's what he does, and he's not going to change anytime soon. (if ever)[/quote]How the hell do you get that from what Romney was saying? Again, you're making leaps an olympic athlete would be proud of.

"95% of life is set up for you if you're born in this country" is what Romney says. Comparing that to a factory in China, reinforces that point.

So aside from no evidence of child labor in this case, check this out:

[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-clamor-toughest-china/story?id=17254934#.UFoIEq4Xu6V"] When asked by ABC News' Jon Karl about the surreptitiously shot video, Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie handed off responsibility to Bain.

"As for Bain, you know that video is old, you can call Bain and ask them what they did in terms of investing on it, I don't have any information on that," Gillespie said.

A person familiar with Bain's activities told ABC News "we didn't buy the factory." And according to a FactCheck.org analysis in June the three other Chinese factories that the Obama campaign has highlighted as examples of Romney's outsourcing were all bought by Bain after Romney left the company in 1999. http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/
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But keep on parroting unsubstantiated stories, NC_Skins. How can you go wrong with anonymous sources whose captions don't even match up with the video?

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[quote=NC_Skins;940586]Who says they are getting a pass? They are just as stupid as Limbaugh, but the difference is they are trying to be funny, Limbaugh is not. Limbaugh says things with racial tones and implications because he knows his base thinks those things.[/quote]You don't realize you just gave one group a pass as "just trying to be funny", while demonizing another who's actually paid to say stupid stuff? :doh:

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[quote=Giantone;940585]huh,do what?[/quote]How is that people who say "I'll slap the first ***** I see" and "I'm raping a ***** girl" do get treated as "trying to be funny, and not really serious".

But the guy who says THE MEDIA has this viewpoint "As far as the media's concerned, Mrs. Obama deserves this," he said. "Look at the sordid past. Look at our slave past, look at the discriminatory past. It's only fair that people of color get their taste of the wealth of America too.", is racist?

Does anybody else realize that Limbaugh was actually accusing [U]the media[/U] of being racist? Throwing race again into the debate is wrong. But racist like those tweets?

How does one set of blatantly racist statements get a pass as "just trying to be funny", while another set of statements accusing political opponents of being racist is automatically condemned as racist itself*?

*Guess all politicians are racist, huh?

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Very good column, for those that are religious a must read.

[url=http://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2012/09/19/religion_in_a_footnote.html]RealClearReligion - Religion in a Footnote[/url]

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[quote=HailGreen28;942434]Should Obama be checking the ID and documentation of every place he visits? Does Obama check fire codes of all the places he visits? The bastard![/quote]

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory for cheap labor and then pass off to the American people that he's what is good for the US economy? If so, then yes he does. Romney is doing exactly that though.




[quote=HailGreen28;942434]Yes there are underage sweatshops in China, and this country. So why do you assume the plant Romney went to employed children? Do Chinese factories simply not employ people over the age of 13, or only the ones associated with Romney?[/quote]

Again, you are looking too deep in the children aspect. Look at the "I'm what's good for the US economy" (while buying cheap labor factories in China). That's REALLY good for the US workers.




[quote=HailGreen28;942434]So again, are you going to start accusing Obama of supporting child labor? If not, why not? It's no bigger leap than the one you're already making.[/quote]

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory fenced in by bob wire that potentially employees underage girls? When he does, alert me.




[quote=HailGreen28;942434][URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-clamor-toughest-china/story?id=17254934#.UFoIEq4Xu6V"] When asked by ABC News' Jon Karl about the surreptitiously shot video, Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie handed off responsibility to Bain.

"As for Bain, you know that video is old, you can call Bain and ask them what they did in terms of investing on it, I don't have any information on that," Gillespie said.

A person familiar with Bain's activities told ABC News "we didn't buy the factory." And according to a FactCheck.org analysis in June the three other Chinese factories that the Obama campaign has highlighted as examples of Romney's outsourcing were all bought by Bain after Romney left the company in 1999. http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/
[/URL]

But keep on parroting unsubstantiated stories, NC_Skins. How can you go wrong with anonymous sources whose captions don't even match up with the video?[/quote]

It's nto unsubstantiated. You heard it from HIMSELF. HE WAS ****ING BUYING CHEAP LABOR IN CHINA!! Just totally disregard the underage factor at this point. You are still left with a guy, who's claiming to be what's best for the US economy, trying to buy cheap labor factories in China. He really support the US workforce alright.

Also, that bullshit about this happening after he left Bain is a sham. Fact is, his name was attached to the SEC documents as being the head of the company even in early 2000's. If his name is to it, he's declared legally to take full responsibility for that company. Otherwise, he's filing a false document with the SEC. Let's not go down this road again with the whole "he's not in charge even though the legal papers say otherwise" crap. Thanks.

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[quote=HailGreen28;942443]You don't realize you just gave one group a pass as "just trying to be funny", while demonizing another who's actually paid to say stupid stuff? :doh:[/quote]

How did I give them a pass? I said they were stupid. I simply said there were "trying" (key word) to be funny. Rush is serious.


BOTH are stupid.


Doesn't look like I gave neither one of them a pass.

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National Barack Channel.... completely in the bag for Obama. Embarrassing.

[url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbc-news-not-airing-obamas-redistribution-video-because-they-have-not-yet-authenticated-it/]NBC News Not Airing Obama’s ‘Redistribution’ Video Because They Have Not Yet ‘Authenticated It’ | Mediaite[/url]

[B]UPDATE[/B]: The [I][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/18/romney-draws-attention-to-obama-redistribution-remark-from-1998/?print=1"][COLOR=#000080]Washington Post[/COLOR][/URL][/I] reports, “The Obama campaign confirmed that is Obama’s voice on the recording and a spokesman moved to rebut Romney’s criticism of it.”

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[quote=NC_Skins;942466]Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory for cheap labor and then pass off to the American people that he's what is good for the US economy? If so, then yes he does. Romney is doing exactly that though.






Again, you are looking too deep in the children aspect. Look at the "I'm what's good for the US economy" (while buying cheap labor factories in China). That's REALLY good for the US workers.






Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory fenced in by bob wire that potentially employees underage girls? When he does, alert me.






It's nto unsubstantiated. You heard it from HIMSELF. HE WAS ****ING BUYING CHEAP LABOR IN CHINA!! Just totally disregard the underage factor at this point. You are still left with a guy, who's claiming to be what's best for the US economy, trying to buy cheap labor factories in China. He really support the US workforce alright.

Also, that bullshit about this happening after he left Bain is a sham. Fact is, his name was attached to the SEC documents as being the head of the company even in early 2000's. If his name is to it, he's declared legally to take full responsibility for that company. Otherwise, he's filing a false document with the SEC. Let's not go down this road again with the whole "he's not in charge even though the legal papers say otherwise" crap. Thanks.[/quote]

I'm guessing your home is all made in the US with no cheap labor crap from china. If that is true then you have room to talk but my guess your just as guilty as the next and have a house full of stuff made over seas.

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Obama's "Redistribution" clip.....but he's not Socialist or anything.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4]Obama In 1998: "I Actually Believe In Redistribution" - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;942477]I'm guessing your home is all made in the US with no cheap labor crap from china. If that is true then you have room to talk but my guess your just as guilty as the next and have a house full of stuff made over seas.[/quote]

Sense. This makes none.

Last time I checked, I'm not running for President claiming that I am what's best for the US economy. The moment I am, please, by all means scrutinize the market where my goods are from. Hell, it's because of guys like Romney that are the reason they are from overseas. DERP.



[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;942478]Obama's "Redistribution" clip.....but he's not Socialist or anything.[/quote]

Yeah, like all those socialist laws he passed....no wait...

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[quote=NC_Skins;942466]Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory for cheap labor and then pass off to the American people that he's what is good for the US economy? If so, then yes he does. Romney is doing exactly that though. [/quote]Since apparently he didn't buy the factory (see previous post), has he won your vote then? :)

[quote=NC_Skins;942466]Again, you are looking too deep in the children aspect. Look at the "I'm what's good for the US economy" (while buying cheap labor factories in China). That's REALLY good for the US workers.[/quote]Dude, your original post on this video was [B][U]"I think the game just changed. Mittens got exposed for going after cheap child labor. Such a shiny beacon that our country should look towards!"[/U][/B] And that's basically what the captioning of the video says. You parroted a blatant lie there. That's what I responded to, about your not getting your facts right, and about lies and exaggeration.

About the jobs aspect, since it looks like Romney DIDN'T buy that Chinese factory, does that mean he has your vote now?

[quote=NC_Skins;942466]Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory fenced in by bob wire that potentially employees underage girls? When he does, alert me.[/quote]Again, why not assume the places Obama visits also employ underaged girls and fail fire code laws? Do you think places that Obama visits have no barbed wire?

[IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/30/business/31factories_600.jpg[/IMG]

As to the situation in China, maybe that's why Bain didn't buy the factory. Maybe barbed wire and EMPTY factories is why you shouldn't vote for Obama.

[quote=NC_Skins;942466]It's nto unsubstantiated. You heard it from HIMSELF. HE WAS ****ING BUYING CHEAP LABOR IN CHINA!! Just totally disregard the underage factor at this point. You are still left with a guy, who's claiming to be what's best for the US economy, trying to buy cheap labor factories in China. He really support the US workforce alright.[/quote]On that specific case, where Romney went to but didn't buy the factory, how do you know that it wasn't a case like this (from an article that talks about some lies and exaggerations Romney's campaign has made):

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/romneys-ad-on-manufacturing-dominance-and-chinas-cheating/2012/09/14/9c2b0142-fe6d-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_blog.html"][B]For example, in the early 1990s, Bain acquired a U.S. bicycle manufacturer that relied on lower-cost Chinese parts and labor to produce some of its specialty and retail bikes. The company, GT Bicycles, expanded its U.S. workforce during the years Bain owned it, in part because it was able to take advantage of lower-cost labor in China, Taiwan and other foreign countries. [/B][/URL]

Sadly, if you look at a lot of Amercian made products, components come from elsewhere. Not only bikes, but you really get into parts outsourcing with electronics.

So we have one confirmed case where Romney outsourced and US jobs increased, and the US economy under Obama where outsourcing to China (including not limited to "green" projects) resulted in US job LOSS. Just not as bad as Romney's ads said. So who should we vote for again?

[quote=NC_Skins;942466]Also, that bullshit about this happening after he left Bain is a sham. Fact is, his name was attached to the SEC documents as being the head of the company even in early 2000's. If his name is to it, he's declared legally to take full responsibility for that company. Otherwise, he's filing a false document with the SEC. Let's not go down this road again with the whole "he's not in charge even though the legal papers say otherwise" crap. Thanks.[/quote]Funny, factcheck.org says: [URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/romneys-bain-years-new-evidence-same-conclusion/"]On the broader question of Romney’s involvement with Bain during this time, we concur with Kessler’s conclusion. “The Obama campaign is blowing smoke here,” he says, adding “the weight of evidence suggests that Romney did in fact end active management of Bain in 1999.”[/URL]

But as I said before, carry on!

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[quote=NC_Skins;942468]How did I give them a pass? I said they were stupid. I simply said there were "trying" (key word) to be funny. Rush is serious.


BOTH are stupid.


Doesn't look like I gave neither one of them a pass.[/quote]Let's switch things on your post: the difference is [U]Limbaugh is[/U] trying to be funny, [U]the posters[/U] are not. [U]The posters[/U] says things with racial tones and implications because [U]they[/U] knows [U]their[/U] base thinks those things.

Is this statement fair? Or does it place more blame on one side?

At this point, how about let's just say the posters and Limbaugh should be condemned for race-baiting and leave out any "differences".

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[quote=HailGreen28;942453]How is that people who say "I'll slap the first ***** I see" and "I'm raping a ***** girl" do get treated as "trying to be funny, and not really serious".

But the guy who says THE MEDIA has this viewpoint "As far as the media's concerned, Mrs. Obama deserves this," he said. "Look at the sordid past. Look at our slave past, look at the discriminatory past. It's only fair that people of color get their taste of the wealth of America too.", is racist?

Does anybody else realize that Limbaugh was actually accusing [U]the media[/U] of being racist? Throwing race again into the debate is wrong. But racist like those tweets?

How does one set of blatantly racist statements get a pass as "just trying to be funny", while another set of statements accusing political opponents of being racist is automatically condemned as racist itself*?

*Guess all politicians are racist, huh?[/quote]


Ok , you're not even close to making any sense.Some girl tweets and you go around screaming .A PAID ...let me say that again ,A PAID RADIO PERSONALITY openly makes false accusations and threats on his show over and over again about the president and his family ,and you think they are the same.Do I think all politicians are racist ...no of course not,but I believe you are.

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Every time someone freaks out over what Rush says....he makes more money.
Enjoy!

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[quote=Giantone;942525]Ok , you're not even close to making any sense.Some girl tweets and you go around screaming .A PAID ...let me say that again ,A PAID RADIO PERSONALITY openly makes false accusations and threats on his show over and over again about the president and his family ,and you think they are the same.Do I think all politicians are racist ...no of course not,but I believe you are.[/quote]Guess what he's paid to do. Politics. Which political opponents call racism when it suits them.

What false accusations and threats did Rush make, that other politicos don't?

You say I'm a racist? No, I am not. Considering you gloss over actual racist threats, your opinion is less than nothing at this point.

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[quote=HailGreen28;942538]Guess what he's paid to do. Politics. Which political opponents call racism when it suits them.

What false accusations and threats did Rush make, that other politicos don't?

.[/quote]

[url=http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/rushlimbaugh/a/limbaughquotes.htm]Rush Limbaugh Quotes - Stupid Rush Limbaugh Quotes[/url]


hit the link for others...

"As far as the media's concerned, Mrs. Obama deserves this. Look at the sordid past. Look at our slave past, look at the discriminatory past. It's only fair that people of color get their taste of the wealth of America too." --Rush Limbaugh, claiming the media is allowing Michelle Obama to take a vacation as a form of reparations for "our slave past," Aug. 6, 2010"



....and people such as yourself think this is ok,sorry, I don't get it.

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Yep....heres some time well spent.

[img]http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/NGGCxmW7EFTYXBS3UzdMVQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/A3Lak6GCMAAdQg9.jpg_large.jpg[/img]

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[url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/california-launches-online-voter-registration/]California launches online voter registration | Ars Technica[/url]

California allows online voter registration (must have a valid CA license with a signature on file for it to be completely online). Nice to see states finally leveraging technology to make some of these processes more effective. Im mailing back my voter registration form today. Great way to lose PII, expensive, and overall a tedious and manual process full of human error.

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[quote=Daseal;942654][url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/california-launches-online-voter-registration/]California launches online voter registration | Ars Technica[/url]

California allows online voter registration (must have a valid CA license with a signature on file for it to be completely online). Nice to see states finally leveraging technology to make some of these processes more effective. Im mailing back my voter registration form today. Great way to lose PII, expensive, and overall a tedious and manual process full of human error.[/quote]

More states will move in this direction. I'd say by 2020 a good portion of the country will have automated some of the process.

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[quote=Giantone;942628][url=http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/rushlimbaugh/a/limbaughquotes.htm]Rush Limbaugh Quotes - Stupid Rush Limbaugh Quotes[/url]


hit the link for others...

"As far as the media's concerned, Mrs. Obama deserves this. Look at the sordid past. Look at our slave past, look at the discriminatory past. It's only fair that people of color get their taste of the wealth of America too." --Rush Limbaugh, claiming the media is allowing Michelle Obama to take a vacation as a form of reparations for "our slave past," Aug. 6, 2010"



....and people such as yourself think this is ok,sorry, I don't get it.[/quote]No, you don't get anything, giantone. You don't understand why Rush's comment is racist, why the tweets are racist, and why neither is acceptable. I doubt you've understood anything I've said in this thread. And then you turn around and call me a racist. :doh

"People such as yourself" - indeed. I'm done trying to explain things to you again. Keep making yourself stupid, and wallowing in ignorance, on your own.

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[quote=NC_Skins;942485]Sense. This makes none.

Last time I checked, I'm not running for President claiming that I am what's best for the US economy. The moment I am, please, by all means scrutinize the market where my goods are from. Hell, it's because of guys like Romney that are the reason they are from overseas. DERP.





Yeah, like all those socialist laws he passed....no wait...[/quote]

So now its Mitts fault you have a house full of stuff made in China. LMAO Then you have to call me a name but that is usually done when one knows the other person is right. You buy the shit so you can't blame the person who makes the crap. STOP buying stuff from China and people will stop sending jobs over seas. Plan and simple. Funny thing is the middle class who made the products here was the same people who started buy the china crap in Wall Mart. I'm guilty, your guilty, everyone who buys china made products are just as guilty.

When the Ford plant was here you could ride through the parking lot and 1/2 the cars were foreign made.

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[quote=firstdown;942747]So now its Mitts fault you have a house full of stuff made in China. LMAO Then you have to call me a name but that is usually done when one knows the other person is right. You buy the shit so you can't blame the person who makes the crap. STOP buying stuff from China and people will stop sending jobs over seas. Plan and simple. Funny thing is the middle class who made the products here was the same people who started buy the china crap in Wall Mart. I'm guilty, your guilty, everyone who buys china made products are just as guilty.

When the Ford plant was here you could ride through the parking lot and 1/2 the cars were foreign made.[/quote]

1) I said "Guys like Romney", not Romney himself. Sending jobs overseas so the can profit via cheap manual labor.

2) I didn't call you a name. DERP. I suggest you google DERP and his friend HERP while you are at it. So out of touch FD...lol

3) Yeah, because foreign car companies designed a superior car, which is the US auto industries fault, not some labor union.

4) Again, you don't make much sense here.

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[IMG]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTMqOj3zExewqbusJ0-wo8kDZ-IxEKAj1NxC50svo5z4PEgDj3V4w[/IMG]

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Chinas labor costs are 85% less than ours.
How did "guys like Romney" make that happen?

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[quote=NC_Skins;942780]1) I said "Guys like Romney", not Romney himself. Sending jobs overseas so the can profit via cheap manual labor.

2) I didn't call you a name. DERP. I suggest you google DERP and his friend HERP while you are at it. So out of touch FD...lol

3) Yeah, because foreign car companies designed a superior car, which is the US auto industries fault, not some labor union.

4)[COLOR="Red"] Again, you don't much sense here[/COLOR].[/quote]

:doh:

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Speaking of :doh:, check out this guy.


[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-is-a-hangin-truck-driving-around-nyc-with-president-obama-on-a-noose/#]Truck With Obama Hanging In Effigy Spotted In NYC | TheBlaze.com[/url]





[quote=Alvin Walton;942791]:doh:[/quote]

I know right? That's about how much sense it makes...lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;942780]1) I said "Guys like Romney", not Romney himself. Sending jobs overseas so the can profit via cheap manual labor.

2) I didn't call you a name. DERP. I suggest you google DERP and his friend HERP while you are at it. So out of touch FD...lol

3) Yeah, because foreign car companies designed a superior car, which is the US auto industries fault, not some labor union.

4) Again, you don't make much sense here.[/quote]

You don't profit by buying the cheaper China products? Everyone is to blame don't point someone out when you just as guilty by buying the products. If there is no demand then there is no product.

Sears and JC Penny's is a good example of good old american companies that hired full time employees, good benifits, selling good old made in the the US products. WM opend its doors and the middle class fleed to WM and stopped buying from Sears and JC penny's. They both about went under so the only way to get their customers back was to stop hiring full time employees, sell China made products, and offer no real bennifits. Why? because the people purchasing the products forced them to or they would go out of business. You can blame who you want all day long but it all comes back to the consumer who decides where to spend their money.

Say I'm out of touch all you want but facts are facts and they are on my side.

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[quote=firstdown;942796]You don't profit by buying the cheaper China products? Everyone is to blame don't point someone out when you just as guilty by buying the products. If there is no demand then there is no product.

Sears and JC Penny's is a good example of good old american companies that hired full time employees, good benifits, selling good old made in the the US products. WM opend its doors and the middle class fleed to WM and stopped buying from Sears and JC penny's. They both about went under so the only way to get their customers back was to stop hiring full time employees, sell China made products, and offer no real bennifits. Why? because the people purchasing the products forced them to or they would go out of business. You can blame who you want all day long but it all comes back to the consumer who decides where to spend their money.

Say I'm out of touch all you want but facts are facts and they are on my side.[/quote]



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[quote=firstdown;942796]You don't profit by buying the cheaper China products? Everyone is to blame don't point someone out when you just as guilty by buying the products. If there is no demand then there is no product.

Sears and JC Penny's is a good example of good old american companies that hired full time employees, good benifits, selling good old made in the the US products. WM opend its doors and the middle class fleed to WM and stopped buying from Sears and JC penny's. They both about went under so the only way to get their customers back was to stop hiring full time employees, sell China made products, and offer no real bennifits. Why? because the people purchasing the products forced them to or they would go out of business. You can blame who you want all day long but it all comes back to the consumer who decides where to spend their money.

Say I'm out of touch all you want but facts are facts and they are on my side.[/quote]


Maybe if ya bend them a little,people flying to WM aren't the middle class it's the poorer(not lower) class and the poor,add in the people Walmart put out of a job when they came into town so yeah......you are out of touch

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[quote=Giantone;942817]Maybe if ya bend them a little,people flying to WM aren't the middle class it's the poorer(not lower) class and the poor,add in the people Walmart put out of a job when they came into town so yeah......you are out of touch[/quote]

I'm sorry I know a bunch of people who are not poor that shop at WM. When we had our WM thread here most people said they shopped at WM and your saying everyone here is poor. You don't shop at WM?

Your comments are really too funny. Your saying the poor can figure out how to get to WM but cannot figure out how to get an ID to vote.LMAO

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Oh whatever....everyone I know shops at Wal Mart, and I dont know any poor people.
Are poor people also buying the giant flat screens they have there?

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[quote=firstdown;942961]I

Your comments are really too funny. Your saying the poor can figure out how to get to WM but cannot figure out how to get an ID to vote.LMAO[/quote]

Where did I say that?

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[quote=firstdown;942961]. You don't shop at WM?

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No, Target ,Sears,K-mart,Best Buy,Safeway,Whole Foods ,Giant and many smaller retail stores.


I won't shop there and these are just some of the reasons...

[url=http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php]Facts in the Wal-Mart documentary[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;942975]Where did I say that?[/QUOTE

My fault if you have never said that but that's the entire arugment of the left against the voter laws.

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here comes 4 more years
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/2012-polls-obama-lead_n_1897591.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=092012&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle&utm_term=Daily%20Brief]Obama Up 8 Points Nationally In Latest Pew Poll[/url]