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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196578]Really , coming from someone who called me "zombified and a puppet" .(#785) I find it curious that you want "tolerance of each other's differing beliefs" from me when you are not willing to do so yourself.



trump supporters are like that,what's good for the cult but screw the country![/QUOTE]

That was a very frustrated post where you had been calling me a cultist several times in a row. I apologize if it offended you.

I am very tolerant of your beliefs, and one instance on my part isn't nearly equivalent to your cult references

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196579]That was a very frustrated post where you had been calling me a cultist several times in a row. I apologize if it offended you.

I am very tolerant of your beliefs, and one instance on my part isn't nearly equivalent to your cult references[/quote]

I disagree.

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The hell this guy is [B]NOT[/B]a russian puppet!!!!!!!



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-putin-hold-first-summit-talks-twitchy-west-010905934.html[/url]


Trump sits down with Putin after denouncing past U.S. policy on Russia
Reuters By Jeff Mason and Andrew Osborn
By Jeff Mason and Andrew Osborn

HELSINKI (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump and Russia's Vladimir Putin arrived at the presidential palace in Finland for a long-awaited summit on Monday after Trump blamed Washington's own past "foolishness and stupidity" for bad relations.

The Russian foreign ministry "liked" Trump's comments on Twitter ahead of the summit, in which Trump denounced the investigation into Russian meddling in American elections as well as previous U.S. policy.

"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" wrote Trump.

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Surprise ! Russia agrees with trump.


[url]http://thehill.com/policy/international/397150-russian-foreign-ministry-replies-to-trump-tweet-blaming-witch-hunt-for?amp&__twitter_impression=true[/url]


The Russian foreign ministry on Monday tweeted "we agree" in response to a tweet from President Trump referring to the investigation of the 2016 presidential election as a "Rigged Witch Hunt."

Trump also wrote on Twitter that "years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity" are to blame for poor U.S.-Russia relations ahead of his summit on Monday with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"We agree," responded MFA Russia on its official acct.

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Yet trump is blaming "stupid Americans for troubles with russia


[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-poisoning-inquiry-turns-to-russian-agency-in-mueller-indictments/ar-AAA6Ds8[/url]


LONDON — The same Russian military intelligence service now accused of disrupting the 2016 presidential election in America may also be responsible for the nerve agent attack in Britain against a former Russian spy — an audacious poisoning that led to a geopolitical confrontation this spring between Moscow and the West.

British investigators believe the March 4 attack on the former spy , Sergei V. Skripal, and his daughter, Yulia, was most probably carried out by current or former agents of the service, known as the G.R.U., who were sent to his home in southern England, according to one British official, one American official and one former American official familiar with the inquiry, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligenc

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Un-EFFING-believable. Im done with Trump!

[URL="https://youtu.be/xfr64zoBTAQ"]Trump gives Putin US Codes[/URL]

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This Helsinki thing isn’t going well. Gotta say looking lil weak

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Trump is just a disgrace, if you haven’t had enough by now I guess you never will

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If his supporters won't dump on him for this ,then yes they are a cult.

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This was definitely his worst decision. It was bad timing, bad content, bad delivery, and bad policy.

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Trump is so in bed with the Russians they know more about his cock than Melania does. Disgraceful.

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I just don't get the strategy....Trump has leverage and has used it relatively affectively with NATO, in the Middle East, with/against China, the entire Korean peninsula....wins across the board.

He has more than enough leverage against Russia and comes up outstanding short. Not only does he come off weak...but its not the same dude. He sounds off his game...def the worst he's looked on the national stage. Could Chuck Schumar be right? Weird. Trump looked and sounded like Jeb Bush during the presidential race.

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1) he is more concerned with the legitimacy of his presidency than the security of our country
2) he is being blackmailed

Pick whichever one you want. Either or they are both reason enough to impeach his ass before we are screwed beyond belief. If we are not already.

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[quote=punch it in;1196598]1) he is more concerned with the legitimacy of his presidency than the security of our country
2) he is being blackmailed

Pick whichever one you want. Either or they are both reason enough to impeach his ass before we are screwed beyond belief. If we are not already.[/quote]

I think it's number 1, but he certainly moved a step closer to impeachment with today's performance. In the thread What Would It Take I said:
[quote]2) making a unjustified deal with Russia. I don't think we should be Ukraine's protector, but we definitely should be committed to NATO. Any deal that trades any NATO member's security for Russian cooperation would break my faith in him.[/quote]
I don't think any deal was signed today, but it was damn close to the edge. Now, I don't have any problem with the tough talk to NATO members - that's kind of the wounds of your friends type stuff - but there was zero hint of a behind the scenes negotiation or confrontation with Putin, that should have followed his NATO/UK meetings.

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[quote=punch it in;1196598]1) he is more concerned with the legitimacy of his presidency than the security of our country
2) he is being blackmailed

Pick whichever one you want. Either or they are both reason enough to impeach his ass before we are screwed beyond belief. If we are not already.[/quote]

I think #2 seems plausible. Russia - money - Trump. I think there's a connection there that predates his political days, and once the dots are connected Congress will have to seriously consider it (whether they do is a whole other story, given that for some Republicans it seems party comes before country.) Trump is the hand that feeds right now, and his political supporters might not want to bite it.

As they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We hate Russia, Trump hates us, it only makes sense that some of his supporters (excluding Cred and Chico) would be willing to give Russia the benefit of the doubt.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1196600]I think #2 seems plausible. Russia - money - Trump. I think there's a connection there that predates his political days, and once the dots are connected Congress will have to seriously consider it (whether they do is a whole other story, given that for some Republicans it seems party comes before country.) Trump is the hand that feeds right now, and his political supporters might not want to bite it.

As they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We hate Russia, Trump hates us, it only makes sense that some of his supporters (excluding Cred and Chico) would be willing to give Russia the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]Trump is misreading his base if he thinks that any of the Republicans or conservatives or tea party or Libertarians that lean conservative or MAGA crowd want to be soft on Russia. It's more shocking that the Democrats who hate Trump have now found this fear and anger and distrust of Russia, when -from Mondale to Obama - they generally wanted reset after reset, friendlier relations, etc. In fact if you look at which party aligns closer to Russia's socio-economic plans it would generally be the Democratic Party. That said Trump was definitely way off-base today and probably cost himself a lot of capital across his base and may have lost the House of Representatives.

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[url]http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/[/url]

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I believe he broke his Presidential Oath of Office ,I do and that is an Impeachable offense.

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Trump is Putin’s little bitch

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This just in : Tucker Carlson has shed new light on the situation....Trump has prevented World War 3 and stupid people on tv do not get it.
Him and Hannity might be the only two people I hate more than Comrade Drumpf.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1196601]Trump is misreading his base if he thinks that any of the Republicans or conservatives or tea party or Libertarians that lean conservative or MAGA crowd want to be soft on Russia. It's more shocking that the Democrats who hate Trump have now found this fear and anger and distrust of Russia, when -from Mondale to Obama - they generally wanted reset after reset, friendlier relations, etc. In fact if you look at which party aligns closer to Russia's socio-economic plans it would generally be the Democratic Party. That said Trump was definitely way off-base today and probably cost himself a lot of capital across his base and may have lost the House of Representatives.[/QUOTE]



No doubt that we took our foot off the pedal with The USSR / Russia and let Putin make them strong again. No doubt. Yeah though - standing next to the man and clearing him of any and all wrong doing is waaaaaaay out of line. On a stage that grand, posturing is everything and Trump took a knee. The vodka is flowing in Moscow tonight and the entire free world is floored and bracing for chaos. We need to let the free world know - immediately- that America stands for democracy and impeach this guy.

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He's not going to get impeached off this day alone. But if he doesn't undo the atmosphere around it the republicans will lose the House and he will be impeached.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1196609]He's not going to get impeached off this day alone. But if he doesn't undo the atmosphere around it the republicans will lose the House and he will be impeached.[/QUOTE]



Lol. He has already doubled down, and will triple down, etc etc etc.

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The question has to be asked, is Trump a threat to our national security at this point?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196611]The question has to be asked, is Trump a threat to our national security at this point?[/QUOTE]



Isn’t that what we have been asking all along? Im actually at the point where im wondering if he is FSB......

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196611]The question has to be asked, is Trump a threat to our national security at this point?[/QUOTE]No.

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If you still support Trump at this point.(especially after today) You are a stupid mother fucker. There simply isn't any easier way to put it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196614]No.[/quote]

Are you loco? Absolutely he is. He STILL hasn't ordered or told the DOJ/DOD/IC to guard against ANY upcoming attacks.

THAT is a national security issue.

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[quote=MTK;1196611]The question has to be asked, is Trump a threat to our national security at this point?[/quote]

Yes , he has been for a while.

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[quote=punch it in;1196605]This just in : Tucker Carlson has shed new light on the situation....Trump has prevented World War 3 and stupid people on tv do not get it.
Him and Hannity might be the only two people I hate more than Comrade Drumpf.[/quote]
Both "opinion based shows" that are nothing but rah,rah for the trump cult.......they mean nothing.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196601]Trump is misreading his base if he thinks that any of the Republicans or conservatives or tea party or Libertarians that lean conservative or MAGA crowd want to be soft on Russia. It's more shocking that the Democrats who hate Trump have now found this fear and anger and distrust of Russia, when -from Mondale to Obama - they generally wanted reset after reset, friendlier relations, etc. In fact if you look at which party aligns closer to Russia's socio-economic plans it would generally be the Democratic Party. That said Trump was definitely way off-base today and probably cost himself a lot of capital across his base and may have lost the House of Representatives.[/quote]

I don't doubt that there is a portion of his base that actually pays attention to current events and doesn't just blindly follow the leader. But he definitely has a crowd (I guess we'll call them the diehards) where they measure all his actions based off how bad it pisses off the liberals. Aka if we're pissed off, it must be a good move. I base this off people I know, people I used to work with (and now see on FB supporting his every move) and current coworkers (one of whom I was just talking with this morning who said Trump is clearly the only President trying to make peace with Russia and there's nothing to prove Putin has bad intentions :doh:). It's unbelievable.

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[quote=MTK;1196611]The question has to be asked, is Trump a threat to our national security at this point?[/quote]

It's a legit question, especially since you know he'd be the first to cry foul if/when he loses an election. But NC is right, in the intelligence community it needs to be all hands on deck to safeguard our upcoming election this year. After the success they had in 2016 via the troll factory it's safe to assume they will only push harder now.

For me the answer is yes when Trump says he has insisted that Russian intelligence come work with our intelligence to figure out who these dastardly 12 Russians are [I]really[/I] working for. Clearly they're deep state actors trying to bring down Putin and Trump.

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Without defending Trumps summit, I am curious what US policies regarding Russia would be different if Trump was "more" anti-russian?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196634]Without defending Trumps summit, I am curious what US policies regarding Russia would be different if Trump was "more" anti-russian?[/quote]

of course when this question was raised by me several years ago as Putin made Obama his little bitch....the responses from the left were "well what do you want a war with Russia?" Very typical, "the GOP are sabre rattling" response.

To be clear, Obama policy towards Russia was terrible (he was Putin lil bitch...its well stated history at this point) and the fact he allowed them to fuck with the elections made it worse. Even when Obama and the administration knew Russia was fucking with the elections Obama told agencies to "stand down"-again, this is FACT.

What to do now?...there are many options, but Trump is isolating so many partners.

Ideally, somehow bringing in Russian who are responsible for election/DNC hacking would be ideal. Putting a face to this shit. Parading them would be great.

I think aggressive actions online against Russian security around election period to demonstrate consequence for previous actions.

Trump and the administration could reach out to Poland and Ukraine making commitments to them. Working with Ukraine to end the war there.

I think on the heals of a NATO conference where Trump seemed to make headway in getting them to kick in more money...announce a strong security deal with the countries that are committed to doing just that.

Germany energy policy. Is there a way Trump and the administration to get a trade deal that German buys less energy from Russia and more from other sources? Map that deal against other Balkan states who have energy deals with Russia.

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Chico, an Obama deflection ,really???:doh:

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Here comes the pivot

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196638]Here comes the pivot[/QUOTE]If the claim is that he is under Putins thunb, and that press conference sure as hell looked like that, what policies would you see changed from what is in place. We are certainly more aggressively anti Russia in Ukraine where we are arming Ukraine with weapons that they didnt have before. In Syria we are far more aggressive against Assad's chemical weapons regardless of Russian advisors, we have increased sanctions in general. We have reinstated iranian sanctions.

What policies reflect putins thumb?

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[quote=Giantone;1196637]Chico, an Obama deflection ,really???:doh:[/quote]

Context is crucial. But with Trump is definitely different because it’s so out of line with a strategy. Trump actions are detrimental bc we have the facts and he still acted like a bitch...at the same time throwing his own agencies under the bus for either a. selfish incompetence or b. The Russians have his balls in their hands.

There is certainly a difference between the 2 presidencies, neither effective with the Russian policy.

Trump missed a yuge opportunity to say enough is enough...he shrunk

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G1 you are going to LOOOOVVEEEE me posting this one!

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/opinions/trump-is-not-evil-just-an-amateur-stanley/index.html[/url]

he references a cult, it's CNN (well daily telegraph reposted), he gives Trump credit for being tough on Russia, he points to all sorts of historical references, and I agree with nearly everything he says. (don't like the cult reference lol)

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[quote=MTK;1196638]Here comes the pivot[/quote]



Really!!
They both denounce trump but now try to explain away his treacherous behavior . Next we will hear it was " trump misspoke " or "locker room talk" or "alternative facts".