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Pro Football Talk's recent take:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/sorry-redskins-fans-its-now-officially-time-freak-out-about-trent-williams[/url]

Starting to think this is going to linger into the season. I highly, highly doubt the notion that'd he return to DC, but the trade option will enter the regular season. Frustrating situation.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1227330]Pro Football Talk's recent take:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/sorry-redskins-fans-its-now-officially-time-freak-out-about-trent-williams[/url]

Starting to think this is going to linger into the season. I highly, highly doubt the notion that'd he return to DC, but the trade option will enter the regular season. Frustrating situation.[/quote]

You mean JP Finlay's recent take from NBC Washington.

It's getting closer to brass tax, but I don't agree that we're there yet. If Trent doesn't show up for the first practice of Week 1, then it's time to freak out.

The hammer is still the $11M worth of game checks he'd miss by sitting out games. He doesn't start giving those up until he misses Week 1. If you're freaking out now then you wouldn't be good at a game of chicken. The time to panic and consider veering off course is Week 1.

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This is so sad and frustrating to me. Look what Jaylon Smith just did for the cowboys and what he said about being on that team. What a contrast. (Of course, they still have Zeke being a douche, but still.)


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[quote=Schneed10;1227345]You mean JP Finlay's recent take from NBC Washington.

It's getting closer to brass tax, but I don't agree that we're there yet. If Trent doesn't show up for the first practice of Week 1, then it's time to freak out.

The hammer is still the $11M worth of game checks he'd miss by sitting out games. He doesn't start giving those up until he misses Week 1. If you're freaking out now then you wouldn't be good at a game of chicken. The time to panic and consider veering off course is Week 1.[/quote]Yes thank you for the clarification. I don't think TW is going to cave. It's been reportedly repeatedly this isn't about money, but he does have 2 years left on his deal. Also, I won't completely discount the theory that he doesn't want to do camp at all, similarly to AB's helmet theory. Either way, it sure would be nice to get this deal resolved.

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[quote=calia;1227347]This is so sad and frustrating to me. Look what Jaylon Smith just did for the cowboys and what he said about being on that team. What a contrast. (Of course, they still have Zeke being a douche, but still.)


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ANY player that signs an extension is going to say good things about being on that team. You aren't signing a multimillion dollar deal then turning around and bad mouthing the team.

Fact is Trent still personally hasn't come out and said anything. Yes a lot of smoke from reliable sources, but it's not like TW walked up to a podium and lambasted the team. If somehow a deal is reached the first things out of TW's mouth would be that a lot of his words were taken out of context and he appreciates everything DS and the Redskins have done for him and his family.

That's just the way the business end is.

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At this point, I don't care about Trent. I care more about Schreff's deal not being done. Unfortunately, this has A LOT to do with the student CBA expiring. This is going to push a lot of big time players to pull a Kirk Cousins and do anything and everything to get to free agency.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1227349]ANY player that signs an extension is going to say good things about being on that team. You aren't signing a multimillion dollar deal then turning around and bad mouthing the team.



Fact is Trent still personally hasn't come out and said anything. Yes a lot of smoke from reliable sources, but it's not like TW walked up to a podium and lambasted the team. If somehow a deal is reached the first things out of TW's mouth would be that a lot of his words were taken out of context and he appreciates everything DS and the Redskins have done for him and his family.



That's just the way the business end is.[/QUOTE]



The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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[quote=calia;1227351]The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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To be fair, teams will always screw over players and often don't show the same loyalty. That being said, it sucks to see players like that or for example Brady always taking below QB market money to help their teams be competitive.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1227353]To be fair, teams will always screw over players and often don't show the same loyalty. That being said, it sucks to see players like that or for example Brady always taking below QB market money to help their teams be competitive.[/quote]

Do you think Brady would take below market if his wife didn't earn more than he did?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227354]Do you think Brady would take below market if his wife didn't earn more than he did?[/quote]

Absolutely not.

Man, we need Trent back in the worst way

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227354]Do you think Brady would take below market if his wife didn't earn more than he did?[/quote]

Brady is all so the only player on the Pats that has an exclusive product brand only sold at the Pats stadium.


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[quote=calia;1227351]The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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I would have to look but I think Kerrigan and others have gotten their extensions and moved forward with the team. Like it was pointed out ALOT of these holdouts have as much to do with the expiring CBA as any other reason that may be floated out. We are not the only team having abnormal holdouts this season.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227354]Do you think Brady would take below market if his wife didn't earn more than he did?[/quote]

Not a chance in hell.

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There have to be guys that are going to be released that are better than Christain, and maybe even Penn. I can't get over how weak Christian is. Has the guy ever been in the weight room?

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I remember when the 49ers won 10 or more games for 16 straight seasons from 1983-1998. They constantly had good offensive line play despite rarely drafting players with high picks. 2 time pro bowler, Jesse Sapolu who played both guard and center for 15 years was drafted in the 11th round. They got lineman off the waiver wire, plugged them in and they played well. I thought Callahan was supposed to be a top notch O-line coach, what is the Redskin's problem?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227368]I remember when the 49ers won 10 or more games for 16 straight seasons from 1983-1998. They constantly had good offensive line play despite rarely drafting players with high picks. 2 time pro bowler, Jesse Sapolu who played both guard and center for 15 years was drafted in the 11th round. They got lineman off the waiver wire, plugged them in and they played well. I thought Callahan was supposed to be a top notch O-line coach, what is the Redskin's problem?[/quote]

This is the year for Callahan to earn his money. I will say again that I think Flowers has improved at the OG slot, particularly for run blocking. The question will be if Penn, Christian or waiver pickup OT is going to be decent enough.

The other side of the coin is that the Vikings didn't have a stellar line, and I don't think Denver did either, but I don't know that for sure. This will probably be the best line Keenum has been behind even without Trent. Haskins has shown he needs to be protected, but Keenum made his living in Minnesota after the pocket broke down. Of course the NFC East has some of the best defensive lines too :(

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1227345]You mean JP Finlay's recent take from NBC Washington.



It's getting closer to brass tax, but I don't agree that we're there yet. If Trent doesn't show up for the first practice of Week 1, then it's time to freak out.



The hammer is still the $11M worth of game checks he'd miss by sitting out games. He doesn't start giving those up until he misses Week 1. If you're freaking out now then you wouldn't be good at a game of chicken. The time to panic and consider veering off course is Week 1.[/QUOTE]



If Trent suiting up for the Skins was a commodity Id be selling futures shares for a very high price.

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[QUOTE=calia;1227351]The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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Because guys only do that if it is going to result in championships. Nobody is taking a pay cut to help a team go 8-8 instead of 6-10.

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[quote=punch it in;1227383]Because guys only do that if it is going to result in championships. Nobody is taking a pay cut to help a team go 8-8 instead of 6-10.[/quote]

Do you think we're an 8-8 team with Trent? If everyone stays healthy (a big if, I know), I think we fare better.

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[quote=Chico23231;1227268]Geron Christian has been a complete mess. Penn will start over him[/quote]

I actually think Christian has looked better than Penn overall. Neither have been good, but if I had to pick one today it would be Christian. Penn has looked slow and tired and out of shape.

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[quote=calia;1227351]The point is he took a below market deal to help the team sign Dak and Zeke and said so. We don’t have guys doing that. Not even close.


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Look at our owner. He doesn't take care of the players the way some owners do. Yes, he pays big but he isn't exactly known for his locker room affection. Players aren't going to miss out on millions of dollars for somebody they don't respect.

In fact I think a lot of the players only play hard for Gruden, and don't really care for the higher ups.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1227387]I actually think Christian has looked better than Penn overall. Neither have been good, but if I had to pick one today it would be Christian. Penn has looked slow and tired and out of shape.[/QUOTE]



Our O line is an absolute huge problem. Even if it weren’t we are counting on Case Keenum to do what exactly? Our mlb is not strong and a very important piece of the defensive side of things. Our rb’s and wr’s are completely unproven. Guice might be a stud but who knows. AP will run out of gas like last year - probably sooner with a weaker o line. Our special teams has been absolutely God awful because we hired a God awful ST coach to come in for some reason. Usually at this point im drowning in kool aid, but this year I am already wondering who we can take with a top 3 pick. Though with Bruce at the helm we will probably trade number 3 for 5 future 7’s. It doesn’t look good at all.

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[URL="https://omny.fm/shows/kevin-sheehan-show/08-22-19-the-kevin-sheehan-show-hour-1"]Sheehan reports the Pats offered their 2020 1st, and the Skins said it's not enough[/URL] !!!!

To me that's GREAT news !
It means there'd be a price that would be enough, it means they listen to legit offers, it means they want more than a late 1st round pick, it means a 1st+ is likely to be offered! Love it!!!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1227423][URL="https://omny.fm/shows/kevin-sheehan-show/08-22-19-the-kevin-sheehan-show-hour-1"]Sheehan reports the Pats offered their 2020 1st, and the Skins said it's not enough[/URL] !!!!

To me that's GREAT news !
It means there'd be a price that would be enough, it means they listen to legit offers, it means they want more than a late 1st round pick, it means a 1st+ is likely to be offered! Love it!!![/quote]

I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.

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No need to rush things with Trent, someone could get desperate because of an injury and up the offer.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1227423][URL="https://omny.fm/shows/kevin-sheehan-show/08-22-19-the-kevin-sheehan-show-hour-1"]Sheehan reports the Pats offered their 2020 1st, and the Skins said it's not enough[/URL] !!!!

To me that's GREAT news !
It means there'd be a price that would be enough, it means they listen to legit offers, it means they want more than a late 1st round pick, it means a 1st+ is likely to be offered! Love it!!![/quote]

Wow...This is great news. Basically a guaranteed first round pick is the starting point. Beautiful. When u negotiate, the guy putting up the first number becomes the one at the disadvantage

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[quote=skinsfan69;1227426]I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.[/quote]

I beg to disagree, I think Sheehan doesn't rush to break news, he rarely breaks news, and/so when he does he usually is accurate.

So I do think his report is legit, and I think putting out there the news that the Pats were willing to give a 1st could make other teams think about doing the same.

I know NFL's FOs aren't regular fans, but tell me knowing Belichik and Cie were OK with giving a 1st isn't going to legitimate the idea that TW is worth a 1st in the eyes of the league ? It sure would in the eyes of many fans, and in some instances perception is reality. I'd say setting market value is one of these instances.

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[quote=MTK;1227427]No need to rush things with Trent, someone could get desperate because of an injury and up the offer.[/quote]

Agreed 100%, but this is good news as far as leverage for the Skins.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1227429]I beg to disagree, I think Sheehan doesn't rush to break news, he rarely breaks news, and/so when he does he usually is accurate.

So I do think his report is legit, and I think putting out there the news that the Pats were willing to give a 1st could make other teams think about doing the same.

I know NFL's FOs aren't regular fans, but tell me knowing Belichik and Cie were OK with giving a 1st isn't going to legitimate the idea that TW is worth a 1st in the eyes of the league ? It sure would in the eyes of many fans, and in some instances perception is reality. I'd say setting market value is one of these instances.[/quote]

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

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Don’t worry everyone. Bruce Allen and his band of bozos have everything under control.


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[quote=skinsfan69;1227431]If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.[/quote]

I don't care what the rumors are, I think the ceiling for Trent is a 2nd, especially from the Patriots. Like the above says he isn't mid 20's and doesn't play 16 games a year. He probably doesn't have a lot of tread left on his tires, he isn't playing another 5-6 years.

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JP Finlay is confirming he heard the same thing about the Pats offering a first.

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Give us a 2nd and Gilmore and we're good

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1227431]If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.[/QUOTE]Not saying the Pats are going to tremendously increase their offer, just saying this is now the baseline for any negotiations, and as many have previously said, a LT needy team will more likely than not be created via injury and/or urge to make a playoff run. Come that time, if not before, we can expect offers to surpass a late 1st rounder.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1227426]I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. And Contenders are who offer up first round picks for an older player who can put them over the top. So we are not going to get a high first for TW because the bottom dwellers know TW aint going to put them over the top. It also helps to know who your LT is before the season is half over. I think there is a little more urgency to figure this all out sooner than later than most but....
Bruce and Dan are quite capable of making a bad situation worse. Chances they are playing this one smart are slim. Since when do they play anything smart?

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Just wanted to add that i'm sick and tired of the spin Florio puts on literally everything associated with this team.

He's been writing for months that the team is delusional for not actively shopping Trent, when he clearly knows that their doing so would reduce their leverage. He's directly stated that they mismanaged Trents injury, when all we had were unsubstantiated rumors. And of course he's never mentioned that team staff told Trent to get a second opinion and perhaps Trent should have some personal responsibility for failing to do so. And he still refuses to use the team name, even though repeated polls have shown actual native Americans are either ambivalent or proud of the name.

This team has done plenty of things worthy of criticism over the years, but he seems to have some specific agenda. Can't stand him.

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[quote=punch it in;1227439]Agreed. And Contenders are who offer up first round picks for an older player who can put them over the top. So we are not going to get a high first for TW because the bottom dwellers know TW aint going to put them over the top. It also helps to know who your LT is before the season is half over. I think there is a little more urgency to figure this all out sooner than later than most but....
Bruce and Dan are quite capable of making a bad situation worse. Chances they are playing this one smart are slim. Since when do they play anything smart?[/quote]

That's the thing, Bruce Allen is a total dumb ass stupid fool when it comes to working trades. His history proves that. If someone offers you have 1st you have to take it. Period.

There's only a small handful of teams that are going to want TW in the first place. Holding out for more compensation or waiting for an injury to occur to me isn't the way to go. Most of the good teams or contending teams will either go w/ their backup ( see Eagles) or wait until next year and get someone in the draft who's young and on a rookie deal.

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If a trade is being considered, why they do not have the Texans on speed dial is crazy.

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I don't follow PFT anymore, they are trash