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[url]https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/democrats-undermining-covid-with-do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do/[/url]

Democrat hypocrites are undermining COVID with ‘do as I say, not as I do’ attitude

Nice list of Democrats ignoring their own Covid orders breaking the rules they want others to follow...mayor of San Fran, gov of California, mayor of Austin, mayor of Denver, governor of New York and his brother Fredo on cnn, mayor of Chicago, Nancy Pelosi, etc...list goes on and on.

Funny how these clowns demand one thing and do the complete opposite.

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[quote=Chico23231;1266590][url]https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/democrats-undermining-covid-with-do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do/[/url]

Democrat hypocrites are undermining COVID with ‘do as I say, not as I do’ attitude

Nice list of Democrats ignoring their own Covid orders breaking the rules they want others to follow...mayor of San Fran, gov of California, mayor of Austin, mayor of Denver, governor of New York and his brother Fredo on cnn, mayor of Chicago, Nancy Pelosi, etc...list goes on and on.

Funny how these clowns demand one thing and do the complete opposite.[/quote]

You're not wrong, practicing what you preach seems to be in short supply these days.

I guess, there's only one thing left to do. Pretend covid doesn't exist and let things go back to normal. It's the only way.

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I guess push comes to shove I'd rather be in a state led by a hypocrite than one where the Governor pretends nothing is wrong while the virus rips through like a wildfire

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Yeah the thinking that covid hasn’t spread like wildfire from these Democratic communities or states is a false premise tho.

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[url]https://thedispatch.com/p/fda-career-staff-are-delaying-the[/url]

Federal government is holding up the vaccine approval. Pathetic. These pieces of shit should be working through the thanksgiving holiday to get this done. Where is the since of urgency?

Less government please

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[quote=Chico23231;1266593]Yeah the thinking that covid hasn’t spread like wildfire from these Democratic communities or states is a false premise tho.[/quote]

Sure but just speaking about NY if we sat back and did nothing it would have been much worse

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[URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/528734-fauci-says-he-accepted-bidens-offer-to-serve-as-chief-medical-adviser"]Fauci says he accepted Biden's offer to serve as chief medical adviser 'right on the spot'[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1266595]Sure but just speaking about NY if we sat back and did nothing it would have been much worse[/QUOTE]

Again, you are inverting position assuming the other is true, which it isn’t.

I’m speaking to Democratic leadership taking rigid position and then knowing doing the opposite immediately in some cases.

It’s bullshit to the highest order, yet it’s ok apparently

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Didn't say it's ok. The hypocrisy is part of the problem, just like leaders that don't wear masks and have downplayed things from the beginning. Both sides of the aisle have had their downfalls in dealing with all of this.

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Bahrain is the newest country to approve the AMERICAN MADE vaccine, following England, Canada, and Mexico.

This is embarrassing to the USA and i guess the only hope we have now is that Joe Biden can ask the FDA to make a decision after he becomes president.

This is truly crazy. At the speed that countries are approving the vaccines, the USA could finish dead last in the world race....Amazing that countries are even putting out vaccines within 10 months of the pandemic starting, but god this is crazy that the USA won't authorize them but yet will still ship the vaccines to other countries!

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Gavin Newsome polices on Covid haven’t worked, he’s not abided by the same rules he sets and sends his kids to private schools....now his new policies are deliberately killing small businesses and people’s livelihood. People should resist

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[quote=Chico23231;1266647]Gavin Newsome polices on Covid haven’t worked, he’s not abided by the same rules he sets and sends his kids to private schools....now his new policies are deliberately killing small businesses and people’s livelihood. People should resist[/quote]



LOL, chico . if ignorance is bliss, you must be in heaven!

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1266617]Bahrain is the newest country to approve the AMERICAN MADE vaccine, following England, Canada, and Mexico.

This is embarrassing to the USA and i guess the only hope we have now is that Joe Biden can ask the FDA to make a decision after he becomes president.

This is truly crazy. At the speed that countries are approving the vaccines, the USA could finish dead last in the world race....Amazing that countries are even putting out vaccines within 10 months of the pandemic starting, but god this is crazy that the USA won't authorize them but yet will still ship the vaccines to other countries![/quote]

Safety is the utmost concern , to hell with any "race".

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So nice of Rudy to be in the giving spirit, spreading that sweet Rona all around like it's already Christmas

[URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/528990-arizona-legislature-shuts-down-after-giuliani-tests-positive"]Arizona legislature shuts down after Giuliani tests positive for coronavirus[/URL]

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By all accounts the UK is rushing through without vetting the research. Pfizer is not just an AMERICAN MADE vaccine but also a joint effort with Germany. I do wish FDA would move faster like the European model but this is what you get with the small government, lack of oversight approach we embrace in the U.S. Other developed country democracies have figured out how to govern their citizens effectively maybe one day we will too.

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[quote=MTK;1266740]So nice of Rudy to be in the giving spirit, spreading that sweet Rona all around like it's already Christmas

[URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/528990-arizona-legislature-shuts-down-after-giuliani-tests-positive"]Arizona legislature shuts down after Giuliani tests positive for coronavirus[/URL][/quote]

Can Rona be spread by farts? cause if so Rudy been crop dusting covid laced farts publically which is foul on so many levels

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[quote=Chico23231;1266745]Can Rona be spread by farts? cause if so Rudy been crop dusting covid laced farts publically which is foul on so many levels[/quote]

:laughing-

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1266741]By all accounts the UK is rushing through without vetting the research. Pfizer is not just an AMERICAN MADE vaccine but also a joint effort with Germany. I do wish FDA would move faster like the European model but this is what you get with the small government, lack of oversight approach we embrace in the U.S. Other developed country democracies have figured out how to govern their citizens effectively maybe one day we will too.[/quote]

Yeah, i do agree with everything you said. But i'm not holding my breath that the FDA approves either of these shots this month. Hell we may not even get a vaccine at all. At the current case load around 250K cases a day, you have to figure at least that many people are getting sick every day and not getting officially diagnosed. So in all actuality the USA is probably seeing a true number of 400 - 500K a day. At that speed, we are doing over 12 million cases a month. At that level of spread, the USA will reach heard immunity in around a year. So, one way or the other, the pandemic is winding down because we will probably see the daily infection rate drop within 6 months as we get closer and closer to building herd immunity.

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Why would we not get a vaccine at all? C'mon brah that makes zero sense

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[quote=MTK;1266749]Why would we not get a vaccine at all? C'mon brah that makes zero sense[/quote]

My apologies, i don't mean to imply we won't get one ever, i just mean that the FDA may not approve Pfizer or Moderna. So we may not get an approved vaccine until sometime mid - late 2021 as more companies file for FDA approval.

I'm not sure how the FDA deals with public pressure, but i imagine at some point they are going to face heavy criticism especially if most of the world begins rolling out vaccines and we don't. I really think vaccines are the only way out of this.

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Likely that answers are coming this week

[URL="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-05/u-s-vaccines-may-start-friday-amid-covid-s-worst-virus-update"]On the Edge of a Key Covid Decision: Five Questions Answered[/URL]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1266750]My apologies, i don't mean to imply we won't get one ever, i just mean that the FDA may not approve Pfizer or Moderna. So we may not get an approved vaccine until sometime mid - late 2021 as more companies file for FDA approval.

I'm not sure how the FDA deals with public pressure, but i imagine at some point they are going to face heavy criticism especially if most of the world begins rolling out vaccines and we don't. I really think vaccines are the only way out of this.[/quote]

IMO, Pfizer will be approved by the end of the week. Moderna will be the week after. Two weeks TOPS. Vaccines will be distributed to at risk population within the next 2-3 weeks.

I do not agree with the logic that a country approving something before us implies they are doing a better job. There is no grand conspiracy here. There are necessary rigors to ensure vaccine efficacy and safety that are in place for a reason (see RSV Vaccine in the 60's).

Especially given the disinformation climate we live in, it's imperitive that the job is done correctly. I would be curious what concrete evidence exists out there that anything else is going on. Dunning-Kruger at it's finest.

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[quote=Chico23231;1266745]Can Rona be spread by farts? cause if so Rudy been crop dusting covid laced farts publically which is foul on so many levels[/quote]

This is a legit question that I would like an answer to :lol:

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[quote=RobH4413;1266754]IMO, Pfizer will be approved by the end of the week. Moderna will be the week after. Two weeks TOPS. Vaccines will be distributed to at risk population within the next 2-3 weeks.

I do not agree with the logic that a country approving something before us implies they are doing a better job. There is no grand conspiracy here. There are necessary rigors to ensure vaccine efficacy and safety that are in place for a reason (see RSV Vaccine in the 60's).

[B]Especially given the disinformation climate we live in, it's imperitive that the job is done correctly. [/B]I would be curious what concrete evidence exists out there that anything else is going on. Dunning-Kruger at it's finest.[/quote]

This. Sad to say it might take a little longer for a vaccine to get approved because they absolutely have to make sure everything is in proper order now that conspiracy theories are increasingly legitimized.

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[quote=mooby;1266760]This is a legit question that I would like an answer to :lol:[/quote]

If you actually want to put the effort to go down this rabbit hole... This is actually discussed here. :-)

[url]https://youtu.be/yJPauidZfRw?t=2958[/url]

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[quote=RobH4413;1266765]If you actually want to put the effort to go down this rabbit hole... This is actually discussed here. :-)

[url]https://youtu.be/yJPauidZfRw?t=2958[/url][/quote]

I listened long enough to get the gist, thanks. Odds are low, but not impossible. Could Guliani's pants be the only protection between a room full of lawmakers getting COVID through a Guliani fart? It's a theory.

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[quote=mooby;1266788]I listened long enough to get the gist, thanks. Odds are low, but not impossible. Could Guliani's pants be the only protection between a room full of lawmakers getting COVID through a Guliani fart? It's a theory.[/quote]

I have a theory that it is being spread by flushing toilets.

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[quote=MTK;1266749]Why would we not get a vaccine at all? C'mon brah that makes zero sense[/quote]

I knew, without even looking at previous posts, who brah referred to.

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Maybe it was that Rudy Rona fart

[URL="https://www.axios.com/jenna-ellis-trump-lawyer-covid-2bab2624-0b25-4f47-a532-079fd2c392da.html"]West Wing fears COVID spread after Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis attends WH party[/URL]

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At 15,067,819, the U.S. leads the world with the most cases of COVID-19. It also leads the world in the most coronavirus fatalities with some 285,190 lives lost, per estimates from Johns Hopkins University.

“The epidemic in the U.S. is punishing. It’s widespread,” Dr. Michael Ryan, the World Health Organization's emergencies chief, said during a Monday news conference. “It’s quite frankly, shocking, to see one to two persons a minute die in the U.S. — a country with a wonderful, strong health system (and) amazing technological capacities."

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/health/arizona-coronavirus-record-more-than-12000-cases-reported-day[/url]

I love America ... but I wish things like wearing a mask and social distancing didnt become tribal warfare.

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It's been approved.................

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[quote=SunnySide;1267418]At 15,067,819, the U.S. leads the world with the most cases of COVID-19. It also leads the world in the most coronavirus fatalities with some 285,190 lives lost, per estimates from Johns Hopkins University.

“The epidemic in the U.S. is punishing. It’s widespread,” Dr. Michael Ryan, the World Health Organization's emergencies chief, said during a Monday news conference. “It’s quite frankly, shocking, to see one to two persons a minute die in the U.S. — a country with a wonderful, strong health system (and) amazing technological capacities."

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/health/arizona-coronavirus-record-more-than-12000-cases-reported-day[/url]

I love America ... but I wish things like wearing a mask and social distancing didnt become tribal warfare.[/quote]

I love America (I think 99.99% of all us here do) because we can have these conversations, where both sides have the freedoms to share their ideas, no matter how much we disagree. America is the GOAT. But still full of humans. So it's still a very flawed country, and always will be.

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[quote=Giantone;1267451]It's been approved.................[/quote]

Where are you seeing that? I thought they still had to take a formal vote tomorrow?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1267458]Where are you seeing that? I thought they still had to take a formal vote tomorrow?[/quote]

Sorry , what I meant was ,they won't not approve it so in essence it's approved.

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[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-fda.html"]F.D.A. Advisory Panel Gives Green Light to Pfizer Vaccine[/URL]

[I]The blessing of these experts means that the agency will likely OK the vaccine’s use, paving the way for health care workers to begin getting shots next week.[/I]

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[quote=MTK;1267666][URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-fda.html"]F.D.A. Advisory Panel Gives Green Light to Pfizer Vaccine[/URL]

[I]The blessing of these experts means that the agency will likely OK the vaccine’s use, paving the way for health care workers to begin getting shots next week.[/I][/quote]

Great news. Friends in health care already scheduling their vaccination, very exciting.

Moderna, you're up next. This is the beginning of the beginning of the end. Long road ahead.

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"If I wasn't president? According to almost everybody, even the enemy, if I wasn't president, you wouldn't have a vaccine for five years," Trump told Fox News' Brian Kilmeade. "OK, I push the FDA and companies and everybody else involved like nobody's ever been pushed before."

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer-biontech-timeline?cmpid=prn_newsstand[/url]

The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany by 2 immigrant Turkish scientists .... there are multiple (apparently successful) vaccines on the way.

How many more days until Jan 20th?

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[quote=SunnySide;1268408]"If I wasn't president? According to almost everybody, even the enemy, if I wasn't president, you wouldn't have a vaccine for five years," Trump told Fox News' Brian Kilmeade. "OK, I push the FDA and companies and everybody else involved like nobody's ever been pushed before."

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer-biontech-timeline?cmpid=prn_newsstand[/url]

The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany by 2 immigrant Turkish scientists .... there are multiple (apparently successful) vaccines on the way.

How many more days until Jan 20th?[/quote]

No, no he's right. The United States is the only country dealing with COVID, Trump prioritized a vaccine and singlehandedly pushed Pfizer and Moderna to put more resources in it. Only he did. Nobody else. No other country is dealing with COVID.

Congratulations Trump on your single-handed success getting a vaccine distributed before the end of the year.

Still gonna get kicked out of the White House on Jan. 20th though.

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Huge victory for the administration and health care industry.

Amazing feat to deliver before end of year

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reading the news about the Pfizer vaccines being delivered is the first bit of good news Ive felt about covid. My brother and his kids tested positive last week, my family took a test Saturday and that came back negatives.

Lets get these vaccines rolling, we may have 5 different ones to choose from a few months from now.

Who knows ... maybe by mid 2021, just 6 months from now, we might be back to normal.