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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1358045]That sentence has a lot less sting if his intent was "for Detroit" which I think it was. Imagine our fan base on the verge of a SB and the OC leaves for a HC job after a devastating loss. We would pe pissed.

So I have no anger toward Johnson. Of course I wanted Macdonald so if we don't sign him I may be more mad at Johnson.[/quote]

It's become the norm that coordinators for successful teams leave to become HC. Last year's SB loser lost both coordinators to HC jobs.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1358051]He didn’t say it , his actions showed it

Head Coach of your own nfl team > winning a SB as a coordinator

Basically he wants to be EB but without the balls to take the next step ; at least EB is willing to stick his neck out and risk the HC position

Ben is just Josh McDaniels 2.0 ; don’t go around saying you want something then pussy out at the bitter end

Fuck Ben Johnson ; go hire a leader with balls[/QUOTE]


I think he did say it, but that was after last season. Anyway I agree fuck him. Lol. Though I think his greed got in the way here. Thinks he is going to go be “the guy” in Detroit again and get the money next time. Dangerous game to play.

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[quote=punch it in;1358050]It is bologna. He wants big money. He wasn’t getting it year one. At 37 he can wait another year.

Slowik is the guy now. It is all about the fact that we are drafting a quarterback and Slowik or BJ would be perfect. Also people saying if you want EB gone it should be Slowik. Keep that in mind.[/quote]

Again you can’t be a HC and a effective QB coach as well ; it’s two full time jobs

I can be an amazing bartender but if they hire me as executive chef ; i can’t leave the hot line to make you a fancy drink

Fact Ben Johnson is a great OC

Unknown Ben Johnson as a HC

Being great at OC doesn’t necessarily make you a great HC


Also Kiem on his podcast this AM touched on Ben Johnson not being a great leader but more an X and O guy


It’s too different skill sets ; managing people and technically aspect of a job

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Unless Harris and SEa offered some crazy low ball number

The bottom line is Ben got cold feet

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FYI.. This is still not a good NFL job. No QB, no o-line, terrible defense and a stadium that gets overrun w/ the opposing teams fan base. You're going to most likely be playing a rookie QB. Maybe that's not for everyone. Johnson is only 37. He'll know when he's ready. Obviously he felt staying where he is was better than coming here.

I have no issue w/ BJ not wanting to come here. He's got it good where he is. Don't take it personally folks. These are human beings and coming to work everyday knowing that you have a chance at a SB may mean a lot to some guys.

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Get Macdonald and then beat the Ravens when we play them in 2024.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1358054]Again you can’t be a HC and a effective QB coach as well ; it’s two full time jobs[/QUOTE]
Don’t agree with this.
Every HC has his area of strength. Andy Reid’s is O. BB’s is D. Rivera was great at napping and decimating rosters. A lot of them call the plays.
Some OC’s and DC’s are just glorified assistants but not necessarily in charge of the O or D.

At the end of the day I have faith, finally, in our FO and Ownership group to get the right people in place. However there are only a couple young upstart hotshot coordinators left out there now. Basically Slowik and Mac. I don’t care how good Peters can be , he can’t create these guys out of thin air. Well maybe with AI we can now?

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[quote=punch it in;1358058]Don’t agree with this.
Every HC has his area of strength. Andy Reid’s is O. BB’s is D. [B]Rivera was great at napping and decimating rosters.[/B] A lot of them call the plays.
Some OC’s and DC’s are just glorified assistants but not necessarily in charge if the O or D.[/quote]

This made me laugh out loud, thanks. :D

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[quote=Ruhskins;1358052]It's become the norm that coordinators for successful teams leave to become HC. Last year's SB loser lost both coordinators to HC jobs.[/quote]

Absolutely true, but that doesn't mean that every coordinator has to leave, or is obligated to move on. Interviews are two way streets, and if he went through the process and ended up choosing to stay, that's his decision. I don't get the anger here.

Also, how did that work out for Philadelphia? not that I'm sad about it.

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[quote=punch it in;1358058]Don’t agree with this.
Every HC has his area of strength. Andy Reid’s is O. BB’s is D. Rivera was great at napping and decimating rosters. A lot of them call the plays.
Some OC’s and DC’s are just glorified assistants but not necessarily in charge of the O or D.

At the end of the day I have faith, finally, in our FO and Ownership group to get the right people in place. However there are only a couple young upstart hotshot coordinators left out there now. Basically Slowik and Mac. I don’t care how good Peters can be , he can’t create these guys out of thin air. Well maybe with AI we can now?[/quote]

Every year there is some hot coordinator and every year there are two QBs battling for the two best in the draft


Everyone is acting like Ben Johnson is like 100 slam dunk at HC ; we really don’t know he has never done it


Honestly what makes him better then EB ; EB was part of Patrick has won multiple SB ; on paper he is better then Johnson

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1358060]Absolutely true, but that doesn't mean that every coordinator has to leave, or is obligated to move on. Interviews are two way streets, and if he went through the process and ended up choosing to stay, that's his decision. I don't get the anger here.

Also, how did that work out for Philadelphia? not that I'm sad about it.[/QUOTE]


Im angry because I thought he was one of two of the right guys. Slowik being the other one. Definitely not angry at his decision. Dude wanted like 15 million a year. He figures if he goes back to Detroit and has another year like this that he can probably get it. Dangerous game to play, but his decision. I certainly do not agree he got cold feet. That is silly.

I wanted Slowik last year. I still do. I really think he is who they are going to target heavily now. I hope.

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Good listen if you are bored

funny Keim ran this this morning; makes you wonder if he knew something

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2xAmmzm_jY&list=PLBdmHrxz2vjWjIzqh6OMoLygW04RdxRyt&index=1[/url]

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Truth is we really don’t know much about any of these guys. Johnson sure can scheme up an offense but we don’t know if he can lead a team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1358060]Absolutely true, but that doesn't mean that every coordinator has to leave, or is obligated to move on. Interviews are two way streets, and if he went through the process and ended up choosing to stay, that's his decision. I don't get the anger here.

Also, how did that work out for Philadelphia? not that I'm sad about it.[/quote]

He didn’t quite go through the process though, the team found out on the plane to Detroit. All he had done at this point was a video introductory type of interview.

Weird to bail when a team is flying out to see you.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1358056]FYI.. This is still not a good NFL job. No QB, no o-line, terrible defense and a stadium that gets overrun w/ the opposing teams fan base. You're going to most likely be playing a rookie QB. Maybe that's not for everyone. Johnson is only 37. He'll know when he's ready. Obviously he felt staying where he is was better than coming here.

I have no issue w/ BJ not wanting to come here. He's got it good where he is. Don't take it personally folks. These are human beings and coming to work everyday knowing that you have a chance at a SB may mean a lot to some guys.[/quote]

Most HC openings exist because the team was bad enough to get the previous guy fired.

When you look at our ownership, new GM, draft picks and cap room, there’s a good opportunity to get things turned around quickly. Look at what Dan Campbell did in just 3 years. And nobody wanted that job.

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If The lions were in the Super Bowl would we have had to wait until after the game to find out he wasn't interested?? The guy screams immature and I'm glad he ain't coming here .. time to move on from this! And by the way the Lions aren't going to Super Bowl with Dan coaching ..I can see it now the lions need extra point to tie game into overtime in the nfc championship game .. he would go for two and fail ending the season ! NO thanks to that!

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One of the most disappointing results of this is a lot of OCs have been hired already, if as is likely we go with a defensive HC where are we gonna find an up and coming OC.

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This is the second year in a row he's decided to stay in Detroit. I guess he really wants to win a title for the city. Or maybe he's not confident in his leader abilities - or both. Either way no hard feelings, onto the next candidate. Def. strange he waited until the plane was in the air to tell them - he needs to work on his tact because I'm sure people will think about that his next opportunity for a HC interview.

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Not fretting over Beta Johnson

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[quote=Chico23231;1358070]Not fretting over Beta Johnson[/quote]

👍😀😀😀

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[quote=MTK;1358064]Truth is we really don’t know much about any of these guys. Johnson sure can scheme up an offense but we don’t know if he can lead a team.[/quote]

This is pretty much where I'm at.

And for all we know, it was a mutual decision that it wasn't going to work out for both parties involved.

Either way, I'm good with it. I was sort of getting 'excited' about the prospect of him coming here and making something out of this offense and whatever QB starts next year. However, he's not the only one that can potentially do that.

The favorite now is probably Macdonald, and I think that is who I am hoping for at this point.

If not Macdonald, then it's probably going to be Quinn or Glenn.

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Slowick staying with Texans.. I'm hearing the Ravens guys are most likely to stay one more year , Gotta think Quinn is gonna be our HC .. we didn't even interview Vrabel I guess he is not deemed worthy of interview ( coach of year in 2021)

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Bring back Rivera.

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[quote=rocnrik;1358073][B]Slowick staying with Texans[/B].. I'm hearing the Ravens guys are most likely to stay one more year , Gotta think Quinn is gonna be our HC .. we didn't even interview Vrabel I guess he is not deemed worthy of interview ( coach of year in 2021)[/quote]

He isn't ready for the next step either. He's Ben Johnson 2.0. Just because you are a successful coordinator, doesn't mean you are meant to be a Head Coach, or that you would have any success in that position.

Another one off the list that probably didn't belong there in the first place - after further review.

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[quote=rocnrik;1358073]Slowick staying with Texans.. [B]I'm hearing the Ravens guys are most likely to stay one more year [/B], Gotta think Quinn is gonna be our HC .. we didn't even interview Vrabel I guess he is not deemed worthy of interview ( coach of year in 2021)[/quote]

Where are you hearing this?

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If MacDonald doesn't come here, go interview Vrabel. Vrabel>Quinn

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358075]Bring back Rivera.[/quote]

😳😀...Andy Reid is older been around the league so you don't have to hire the new kid on the block coordinator to be successful..maybe just maybe the correct formula is the Older/experienced Head coach(that doesn't have to be the GM) that has the young coordinators !

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[quote=MTK;1358064]Truth is we really don’t know much about any of these guys. Johnson sure can scheme up an offense but we don’t know if he can lead a team.[/quote]

Exactly. Look how many great OCs end up being terrible head coaches.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1358077]Where are you hearing this?[/quote]

They were talking about this on the Fan radio podcast this afternoon.

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At this point the young coordinators hold all the cards . They can demand their pay and amount of years on contract and the control.. if we or seattle don't agree they will just stay put on a Super Bowl caliper team instead of coming here to a rebuild.

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[quote=rocnrik;1358081]They were talking about this on the Fan radio podcast this afternoon.[/quote]

Thanks.

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[quote=MTK;1358066]When you look at our ownership, new GM, draft picks and cap room, there’s a good opportunity to get things turned around quickly. Look at what Dan Campbell did in just 3 years. And nobody wanted that job.[/quote]


Our situation is probably one of the best for a new comer coach and GM to be in. You got a ton of picks in the upcoming draft with the #2 spot and two really really good QBs to pick from. You got a ton of salary cap. You got a new ownership with no insane amounts of baggage.

It's like a brand new franchise.

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Latest from Keim (podcast just cam out) [url]https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/AMPM7263617903?selected=AMPM8446376738[/url]

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1358083]Our situation is probably one of the best for a new comer coach and GM to be in. You got a ton of picks in the upcoming draft with the #2 spot and two really really good QBs to pick from. You got a ton of salary cap. You got a new ownership with no insane amounts of baggage.

It's like a brand new franchise.[/QUOTE]


And nowhere to go but up.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1358076]He isn't ready for the next step either. He's Ben Johnson 2.0. Just because you are a successful coordinator, doesn't mean you are meant to be a Head Coach, or that you would have any success in that position.

Another one off the list that probably didn't belong there in the first place - after further review.[/QUOTE]


Nothing is a sure thing. Nothing. They could both be terrible HC’s. But I bet you Peters is not happy about both of them staying, and I am going to trust he knows whether they have what it takes or not. Nice to try and put a positive spin on things but not landing one of them stinks.
It isn’t the end of the world, but boxes were being checked off real nice …. New Owner with success with sports teams [emoji736], new GM on everyones radar [emoji736], new hot young OC for HC [emoji777], and now I am afraid they are going to settle. Doesn’t mean you can’t take a run at the young guns again next year if things don’t work out with whoever we wind up with.

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[quote=punch it in;1358087]Nothing is a sure thing. Nothing. They could both be terrible HC’s. But I bet you Peters is not happy about both of them staying, and I am going to trust he knows whether they have what it takes or not. Nice to try and put a positive spin on things but not landing one of them stinks.
It isn’t the end of the world, but boxes were being checked off real nice …. New Owner with success with sports teams [emoji736], new GM on everyones radar [emoji736], new hot young OC for HC [emoji777], and now I am afraid they are going to settle. Doesn’t mean you can’t take a run at the young guns again next year if things don’t work out with whoever we wind up with.[/quote]

I'm not sure it would be considered "settling" just because we didn't land a good OC who didn't want to be a HC.

We're still in a good position. They weren't the best candidates after all, if they didn't want to be here.

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It's down to Quinn and dare I say Bill B????

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I would rather have Bill ..

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I don't know if I'd say Harris has had success but he certainly has had competitive teams that weren't a joke.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1358090]I would rather have Bill ..[/QUOTE]


I probably would too tbh. Also don’t forget EB is still out there


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