Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;788023]A year ago, I would have dealt a 1st and a 3rd for Gates. He was phenomenal this year, but he had that foot injury, and that risk would at least make me pull the 3rd rounder from the offer. So I agree.[/quote]

You never give up a 1st for a TE. NEVER. That's a vinny cerrato move if there ever was one.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;788025]You never give up a 1st for a TE. NEVER. That's a vinny cerrato move if there ever was one.[/quote]What's the difference between a tight end, a receiver, and a running back if their marginal value is equal?

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;788025]You never give up a 1st for a TE. NEVER. That's a vinny cerrato move if there ever was one.[/quote]

I agree.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I would have for Gates about 3 years ago

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;788026]What's the difference between a tight end, a receiver, and a running back if their marginal value is equal?[/quote]

Their value isn't equal and it never will be. You'll never see a TE get paid what a WR or RB does or command the importance those spots due (especially in the draft).


How many TEs have you seen drafted in the top 10 the past decade? Now go back and see how many RBs/WRs have been drafted in the top 10. TE doesn't have the same value. Just like a Full Back will never command the type of value that a TE or WR will.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;788034]Their value isn't equal and it never will be. You'll never see a TE get paid what a WR or RB does or command the importance those spots due (especially in the draft).


How many TEs have you seen drafted in the top 10 the past decade? Now go back and see how many RBs/WRs have been drafted in the top 10. TE doesn't have the same value. Just like a Full Back will never command the type of value that a TE or WR will.[/quote]Actually, I set the value equal in my hypothetical, so you don't have to worry about explaining that. Your job was not to tell me that the values are never equal, it was to tell me why, if values are equal, that you should pay less compensation for a TE than a RB or WR.

I can see, at most, one reason why you could be right on this.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I'm just going to use Gates, because he's the consensus best receiving TE. Not a great blocker, so that hurts his value. But bear with me.

Gates, in 2010, was more valuable than every receiver in the NFL ([URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr"]according to DYAR[/URL]) other than Brandon Lloyd and Mike Wallace. He did this in 12 games. Clearly if there was any skilled player worth two high picks (including a first rounder) based only on last year's production, it's Gates.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;788043]I'm just going to use Gates, because he's the consensus best receiving TE. Not a great blocker, so that hurts his value. But bear with me.

Gates, in 2010, was more valuable than every receiver in the NFL ([URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr"]according to DYAR[/URL]) than Brandon Lloyd and Mike Wallace. He did this in 12 games. Clearly if there was any skilled player worth two high picks (including a first rounder) based only on last year's production, it's Gates.[/quote]

Gates may go down as the best TE when he retires

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;788044]Gates may go down as the best TE when he retires[/quote]Possibly. But I'm just using him because he's the best right now.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;788034]Their value isn't equal and it never will be. You'll never see a TE get paid what a WR or RB does or command the importance those spots due (especially in the draft).


How many TEs have you seen drafted in the top 10 the past decade? Now go back and see how many RBs/WRs have been drafted in the top 10. TE doesn't have the same value. Just like a Full Back will never command the type of value that a TE or WR will.[/quote]

Only kickers and punters make less than RBs. The NFL is a passing game and positions associated with passing and stopping the pass are the highest paid. The days of the big back are over, they are cogs that are replaced every couple of years.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=celts32;788017]Cooley is a good player that us Redskins fans tend to vastly overrate since we don't have many good players. I would love to trade Cooley for a draft pick. IMO we think Cooley is so valuable to us winning because for most of Cooleys time here we have had weak QB's that have leaned on the safe passes to the TE since they can't get the ball down the field to the WR's.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/25555/on-the-hot-seat-chris-cooley]On the hot seat: Chris Cooley - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;788173][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/25555/on-the-hot-seat-chris-cooley]On the hot seat: Chris Cooley - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Thanks...that pretty much confirms what I said.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=skinster;609797]we couldnt get a 1st and a 3rd for him...shockey went for a 2nd

edit: and gonzolez went for a 2nd and a 6th[/quote]

Shockey has always been overrated no where near as good as Cooley an gonzonlez is getting up there in age.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I would trade Cooley for a 1st and 3rd, and I wouldn’t release Albert Haynesworth. I’d acknowledge my mistake and learn from it. After giving him $41,000,000 I own his fat ass. Right now the team needs to turn chicken shit into chicken salad, and it can be done. Albert is a fat turd of a human being, but human nonetheless. Somewhere beneath the stupidity is a pro bowler. Maybe there’s someone within the Redskin’s organization that can help Albert turn his life around.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

cooley for a 1st and 3rd ... wtf is the point of this thread ... why don't we just say let's trade Malcome Kelly for 2 1st rounders .. i mean what is the point of this conversation .. BEST case you get a 3rd for Cooley .. more likely a 4th and for that I say no way .. BUILD the team around Cooley & Davis ... 2 TE's are crucial in this pass first NFL ... while we are at it, bring back Moss for a reasonable $$ .... Carter,Dockery,Portis are not Chris Cooley