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[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....[B]by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

You hope. He's more likely to hurt his knee by bumping it on the chest of one of your linemen while running over him to sack Sheli.

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:lol:

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I hope the Skins have a defibrillator nearby just in case Fat Albert has a heart attack and to keep him honest just in case he fakes one.

Re: Haynesworth fails conditioning test
 

[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.[/quote]

Exactly. I don't really see it working. If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.

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With the 21m in his pocket (and TO taking a cut in pay) perhaps he could sub-contract taking the test to TO? I think TO could pass it and it undoubtedly make for good ratings on TO's........"reality" show?
.........All's well, juice boxes for everybody!

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[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.[/quote]

Speaking of the 5-3 defense....Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when George Allen was coach here he deployed the defense in a playoff game against the Packers in an atempt to combat their strong running game that consisted of two runners, John Brockington and McArthur Lane. It worked superbly, on that day the Packers running game was completely shut down.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;716264]Exactly. I don't really see it working.[B] If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.[/B][/quote]

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

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[quote=Longtimefan;716267]Speaking of the 5-3 defense....Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when George Allen was coach here he deployed the defense in a playoff game against the Packers in an atempt to combat their strong running game that consisted of two runners, John Brockington and McArthur Lane. It worked superbly, on that day the Packers running game was completely shut down.[/quote]

I remember that. I thought Allen was a genius. He dared the Pack to pass knowing that they couldn't.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716269]If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?[/quote]


This whole scenario is pretty pathetic by AH. For one you can't pass a conditioning test because why exactly? If he had been working out all offseason to get into better shape and losing weight properly with cardio and strength training he should have been able to come in and run some "drills" in the given amount of time without a problem. BUT now you have ran a couple of times in the last 2 days and it has left your knee swollen. does this really sound as though a guy who is in top shape? Or has been training all offseason? A little running and now you will be held out of practice for a sore knee?

I have been defending him the last few weeks and trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I am done. The team needs to get him into shape, and if i was Shanahan and the Redskins I would feel as though I had been lied too the whole time by this guy and his trainer. So what he lost some weight and did some working out? He didn't get himself into a "top" shape by any means.

Of course he then may develop another health concern.

So then you would have to ask yourself is this guy even worth keeping around on the football team? Do you trade him or just flat out release him?

rant over for now...

p.s.

I still want to AH to get with the program and succeed here in DC, but if it drags on and on I wouldn't miss him either.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716269]If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. [B]And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?[/B][/quote]

No, I don't think that's going to change. Hence, the reason I said, "I don't really see it working," immediately before the part you bolded. :smashfrea

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716269]If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?[/quote]
Our defensive statistics are vastly better when he is in there. I believe Orakpo never had another sack after he got hurt. We need Haynesworth. I predict he will be a pro bowler and our best defensive player this year, as long as he does not get hurt.

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[quote=Giantone;716236]Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.[/quote]

Yeah, but being a NT means having to hold off 900 lbs of force of mass being shoved into you, which can't be good for the knee either.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;716291]Our defensive statistics are vastly better when he is in there. [B]I believe Orakpo never had another sack after he got hurt. [/B] We need Haynesworth. I predict he will be a pro bowler and our best defensive player this year, as long as he does not get hurt.[/quote]

Actually AH missed the Oakland game where Rak lit it up. But, yes, we are better with a properly motivated and healthy AH. I don't think I've seen a better Redskins goal line defense than the one we had last year and AH was part of that.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716294]Yeah, but being a NT means having to hold off 900 lbs of force of mass being shoved into you, which can't be good for the knee either.[/quote]


he would have to do that at end also and well.....football in general is hard on the knees.A Good D lineman can split a double team, by playing nose he is the closest lineman to the QB,if he is as fast as he says he should get plenty of sacks.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;716259]You hope. He's more likely to hurt his knee by bumping it on the chest of one of your linemen while running over him to sack Sheli.[/quote]



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