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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650478]Ok, i'll be more specific. 1997 and 1998. Guess thats what? 11 and 12 years ago? (Admittedly not 20, but more than 10). Since then, Shanahan hasn't done anything impressive. Cowher on the other hand, had most of his success in his most recent 10 years.

If you look at their two careers, they appear to be going in different directions. Cowher - UP, Shanahan, Down.[/quote]

BHA, another way to look at that, is that Cowher took a long time to get his team set up the way he wanted it, again, he won't get that here. Shanahan took an existing team and got it functionally better, that is a better model for what we want. Shanahan Sr won't be coaching for 10 years here, maybe 5 at most, and then he will pass the torch to his son, IF everything goes good. It will be a better longterm solution.

I am confident that I am looking at it with rose colored glasses, and if in the end its another fiasco, i'll be ticked, but I believe these changes are going to bring the Redskins franchise out of the NFL doghouse, and I am glad about that. Cowher wouldn't do that, I don't think. I think he would come in and fight DS and in the end he would leave and our franchise would be in worse shape. But I can acknowledge that is pure speculation, and that if he was coming here, I would probably be supporting the move as much as I do Shanahan's (hopefully) imminent hiring.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650478]
The head coach is JUST as responsible for the teams defense as he is the offense, so i don't get your point here. If we were talking about offensive or defensive coordinators, then it would make sense to compare how their individual units performed. The head coach is responsible for results: coaching a team that can win football games and go to the playoffs.

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all i'm saying is you can't give a head coach too much credit or too much blame for his success in the nfl. true some coaches are better than others but it takes more than just a good hc to make the playoffs year after year and to be able to compete for a super bowl.

you act as if cower is a better coach than shanny just because the steelers were a bit more succssful.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650478]Ok, i'll be more specific. 1997 and 1998. [B]Guess thats what? 11 and 12 years ago? [/B](Admittedly not 20, but more than 10). Since then, Shanahan hasn't done anything impressive. Cowher on the other hand, had most of his success in his most recent 10 years. [/quote]

Yeah, 11 and 12 years ago doesn't equal 20 years ago. Nice try.


[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650478]
If you look at their two careers, they appear to be going in different directions. Cowher - UP, Shanahan, Down.
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And looking at the whole body of work from either coach, Shanahan has more Super Bowls. Has only had two seasons that were below .500. While Cowher may or may not have a better winning percentage, it took him his whole career to win one Super Bowl. Mike turned the Broncos around in a short time and turned them into Super Bowl Champions.

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[quote=wolfeskins;650487]all i'm saying is you can't give a head coach too much credit or too much blame for his success in the nfl. true some coaches are better than others but it takes more than just a good hc to make the playoffs year after year and to be able to compete for a super bowl.

you act as if cower is a better coach than shanny just because the steelers were a bit more succssful.[/quote]

not just a bit more successful - significantly so in recent history. in addition, the idea is that cowher would bring in guys that he worked with (or their proteges) whereas shanahan is working with a guy with a horrible draft record (only tampa bay counts - allen had absolutely nothing to do with the draft in oakland). Shanahan's draft record as defacto GM in Denver isnt that impressive either. I'd take Cowher and whoever he wanted working with himself and Allen over Shanahan and Allen any day of the week.

That said, I really like Morocco Brown and if he's promoted (as smoot alluded to), then he'll be more involved in the decision making process and can hopefully convince shanahan to make wise moves.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650466]Come on, he could tell Shanny who to get as our next great QB/WR combo![/quote]
or even a QB/QB combo

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Bill Cowher didn't win a single NFL Game in the 2007-2008 seasons....while Shanahan won 15. End of discussion :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;650496]Bill Cowher didn't win a single NFL Game in the 2007-2008 seasons....while Shanahan won 15. End of discussion :)[/quote]
That was so 4 years ago.

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[quote=tryfuhl;650498]That was so 4 years ago.[/quote]

its 2012 already, i mustve been a coma for 2 years

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[quote=CHAMP757;650506]its 2012 already, i mustve been a coma for 2 years[/quote]

Me too. Did we win the SB yet?

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No updates on Shanahan anywheres? or anything on Buges retirement?

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^^Yeah what gives... can they just get it all done and over with. :)

I'd like to know for sure how part of the coaching staff is going to look next year.

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this could be a good thing, we know snyder will pay him so hopefully they're discussing what shanahan needs to be sucessfull

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[quote=SmootSmack;650496]Bill Cowher didn't win a single NFL Game in the 2007-2008 seasons....while Shanahan won 15. End of discussion :)[/quote]

Interesting. I also read that Shanahan lost 17 games in those same two seasons, while Cowher went unbeaten. :)

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;650509]No updates on Shanahan anywheres? or anything on Buges retirement?[/quote]

Seems like we would have heard about the plans for Buges retirement. But instead it just went silent. I hate to say this, but remember the days after JG's retirement, everyone thought it was a lock for GW, then it went silent, and suddenly he wasn't the candidate anymore. I may be remembering wrong, but it worries me that the Buges excuse was floated, and nothing concrete has followed.

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ESPN is saying it is only a matter of signing and agreeing on his salary.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650423]you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), [B]but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt.[/B] there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.[/quote]

Dude, Shanahan was 8-5 in the playoffs. Again, [U][B]he won 8 games in the playoffs. [/B][/U]

You cannot say Shanahan didn't win in the playoffs.

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat]"Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan."[/quote]

Once again -- check the trophy case. Shanahan: 2, Cowher: 1

Advantage: Shanahan.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650534]Seems like we would have heard about the plans for Buges retirement. But instead it just went silent. I hate to say this, but remember the days after JG's retirement, everyone thought it was a lock for GW, then it went silent, and suddenly he wasn't the candidate anymore. I may be remembering wrong, but it worries me that the Buges excuse was floated, and nothing concrete has followed.[/quote]
Clayton just mentioned the Buges thing again, who knows.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650534]Seems like we would have heard about the plans for Buges retirement. But instead it just went silent. I hate to say this, but remember the days after JG's retirement, everyone thought it was a lock for GW, then it went silent, and suddenly he wasn't the candidate anymore. I may be remembering wrong, but it worries me that the Buges excuse was floated, and nothing concrete has followed.[/quote]

Don't worry. The deal is done.

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[quote=SmootSmack;650578]Don't worry. The deal is done.[/quote]

Are you talking about[URL="http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=186354&site=cdn&f_src=lightreading_gnews"] ESPN 3D [/URL]or the [URL="http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14127983"]Shanahan deal[/URL].

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650534]Seems like we would have heard about the plans for Buges retirement. But instead it just went silent. I hate to say this, but remember the days after JG's retirement, everyone thought it was a lock for GW, then it went silent, and suddenly he wasn't the candidate anymore. I may be remembering wrong, but it worries me that the Buges excuse was floated, and nothing concrete has followed.[/quote]

I remember that, that was when the Redskins had that guy running things.....what was his name? I can't remember, something like Victor Cerantino?

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Just read this.

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/05/report-shanahan-agrees-to-5-year-deal-with-redskins/]Report: Shanahan Agrees to 5-Year Deal With Redskins -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;650580]Are you talking about[URL="http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=186354&site=cdn&f_src=lightreading_gnews"] ESPN 3D [/URL]or the [URL="http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14127983"]Shanahan deal[/URL].[/quote]

LOL. Both :)

And (I'm 90% positive) Jeff Goodman

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[quote=Beemnseven;650563]Dude, Shanahan was 8-5 in the playoffs. Again, [U][B]he won 8 games in the playoffs. [/B][/U]

You cannot say Shanahan didn't win in the playoffs.



Once again -- check the trophy case. Shanahan: 2, Cowher: 1

Advantage: Shanahan.[/quote]

Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?

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[quote=Smooter;650585]Just read this.

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/05/report-shanahan-agrees-to-5-year-deal-with-redskins/]Report: Shanahan Agrees to 5-Year Deal With Redskins -- NFL FanHouse[/url][/quote]

Good job with the breaking news. ESPN says the same thing. We are now officially Shanahanians.

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[quote=Lotus;650599]Good job with the breaking news. ESPN says the same thing. We are now officially Shanahanians.[/quote]

Or do you mean Shahanagans?

I hear there very similar to huligans but more sophisticated. ;)

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[quote=SBXVII;650596]Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?[/quote]

I can go along with that. Though I think the debate centers around the comparisons of Cowher and Shanahan as head coach.

Look, neither of these guys are perfect. Both of them have some dents in their armor just like anyone else. I just couldn't disagree more with BHA who thinks that Cowher is far and away better than Shanny.

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7 million eh? all those worried about Snyder "spending too much money" will be relieved.

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Let's get ready for the 2010 season I'm pumped!!!

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wow never saw this coming (sarcasm)

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[quote=SBXVII;650596]Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?[/quote]

Not Denver, San Fran

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[quote=CHAMP757;650506]its 2012 already, i mustve been a coma for 2 years[/quote]
you'd have to follow the whole thread to get it.. or at least the past several pages

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So when can we take Zorn off The Warpath banner?

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[quote=flashalexb;650636]So when can we take Zorn off The Warpath banner?[/quote]

i wpouldnt mind seeing a couple more peoplr taken down with zorn

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Glad the wait is over and we have a true leader in place. I'm ready to rally around Shanahan hoping he can return this franchise to respectability.

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[quote=SBXVII;650596]Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?[/quote]

You mean OC of the S.F 49er's right?

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How many Shanny is the new HC threads do we need? I propose a merger, but that hasn't worked well on my behalf recently.

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[quote=Beemnseven;650608]I can go along with that. Though I think the debate centers around the comparisons of Cowher and Shanahan as head coach.

Look, neither of these guys are perfect. Both of them have some dents in their armor just like anyone else. I just couldn't disagree more with BHA who thinks that Cowher is far and away better than Shanny.[/quote]
Seriously, people want what's LITERALLY not out there. We hear that someone took too long to win one, one won too long ago, one didn't win enough, etc.

How many guys out there with multiple SB victories in the past 5 years are there? One.. and he's definitely not available.

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[quote=Nomad;650648]You mean OC of the S.F 49er's right?[/quote]

Something like that. Still he was apart of 3 SB's. I again forget how many Cowher was apart of?

Oh well who the "F" cares Shanahan is the man and we either embrace him or live misserably for the next 5yrs.

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So can we lock this thread since it wasn't a done deal until yesterday? LOL.