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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;670606]I'm kind of surprised RB Mike Bell hasn't been mentioned at all.

Wasn't he a Shanahan pick? And he ran kind of well for the Saints this season... I think I'd rather him over a 30-yr old back like Tomilinson, Parker, etc. ... he'd be rather cheap and already know the system.

But again... Shanny must not have been to impressed with him Denver... haven't heard of any interest from the Skins.[/quote]

He's young but hasn't done a hell of a lot. Might be worth looking though, he looked probably the best since his rookie year last year. If we don't get Parker he'd be a logical choice to consider.

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[quote=GTripp0012;670607]we were just trying to beat the backside end to the point of attack.

And it never worked. But damned if we weren't going to keep trying.[/quote]

haha yeah I remember an announcer saying something to the same effect, can't remember which game

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Pashos's agent says no deal is in place

There were reports Saturday evening the Redskins agreed to terms with both Artis Hicks and Tony Pashos, which still could happen. But as of now, Hicks is the only new offensive lineman headed to Ashburn.

"It's not true. It's not true," Pashos's agent, Rick Smith, said before I could ask a question after contacting him on his cell phone. "He left the building. He's headed to Cleveland right now."

[B]Okay. But is Pashos close to signing with the Redskins? "We're nowhere near close," Smith continued. "Like I said, he's headed to Cleveland." [/B]

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I think when you look at the Redskins off season on a whole, up to this point, there's no question in my mind that they've positioned themselves better than any team in the NFL. They've restructured their front office in a significant way, which has injected a sense of steadiness and focus into the atmosphere and, probably just as important, trimmed some much need fat from the roster. All of this before draft day, which hopefully will yield a starter or two.

In terms of the non-moves, well, it's easy to look at the coulda, shoulda, woulda's. Every team would love to have a Julius Peppers. But the truth is Peppers isn't going to turn the Chicago Bears into an instant playoff contender, and it's going to take him time to acclimate to a new system. That's true whether it's in Chicago or in D.C. Oh, and Andre Carter ain't too shabby himself. The 'Skins get to keep a steady Carter, who on paper, was just as productive as Julius Peppers last season for a third of the price. It's also worth noting that Andre Carter is only 8 months older than Peppers.

I don't think the Redskins are the team to beat, maybe not even the best team in the NFC East. But I'm fairly certain this team has Wild Card potential. The Cards have unloaded and lost a lot of key players. I doubt if the Vikings will have another run like they did last year. No Chester Taylor, an Adrian Peterson, who struggled down the stretch last season, will also be a year older. As far the NFC East goes, we all know there's usually not much separating the top four teams in the division. It comes down to solid coaching down the stretch and catching some breaks on the injury front.

I'm pretty darn exciting about 2010! Hail!

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[quote=Giantone;670539][QUOTE=Pocket$ $traight;670335]I agree. We have plenty of time and every year a big name or two gets let go during the offseason.

Btw...IMO...
- Dansby was overpaid.
- Rolle was paid a lot more than we were willing to spend on a safety
- Peppers was definitely overpaid
QUOTE]

LOL............coming from the team that signed AH,that's pretty funny.[/quote]

When you guys can run a short yardage play at him, you can say something. Enjoy your 37 million dollar failure of a corner turned safety.

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we need to make a run for Pashos...bad...and we need to do it soon...

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How has someone not done a Skins version?

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[quote=GTripp0012;670558]Tony Pashos is a fringe starting RT, Hicks is a fringe NFL player.

Pashos is a good signing if we draft a LT early, and fail to address the line again until late in the draft, we'll be alright with him and Heyer on the right side.

In general, no idea what the line rebuilding plan is.[B] We're not targeting guys with zone blocking experience, and we've brought in a lot of guys.[/B] I'm sure Shanahan has a plan, I just hope it's better than, "sign some guys, get lucky".

Hicks has spent his whole career playing for Reid/Childress, and their zone blocking schemes more closely resemble Zorn's than Shanahan's. Not that it's a huge difference.[/quote]

I don't mean to be a dick but I thought we only brought in 3 OL so far? Clifton was a zone blocking lineman. Pashos has worked with Foerster the OL coach while in San Fran. Foerster teaches zone blocking. Hicks as you have said is a zone blocker even though it might not be Shanahan's style he understands zone blocking.

Plus Pashos can play tackle and Hicks is a OG/LT. For whatever reason I think Pashos was a LT also so we have some options now. The only people who are not zone blockers are the LB Foote we are looking to talk to and Willie Parker. So basically we are bringing in zone blocking OL. At a reasonable price I might add vs. throwing money away like we have for the whole time Snyder has owned the team.

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[quote=SBXVII;670623]I don't mean to be a dick but I thought we only brought in 3 OL so far? Clifton was a zone blocking lineman. Pashos has worked with Foerster the OL coach while in San Fran. Foerster teaches zone blocking. Hicks as you have said is a zone blocker even though it might not be Shanahan's style he understands zone blocking.

Plus Pashos can play tackle and Hicks is a OG/LT. For whatever reason I think Pashos was a LT also so we have some options now. The only people who are not zone blockers are the LB Foote we are looking to talk to and Willie Parker. So basically we are bringing in zone blocking OL. At a reasonable price I might add vs. throwing money away like we have for the whole time Snyder has owned the team.[/quote]I'm sure that every lineman has some sort of exposure to the ZBS, but I thought/was delusional in thinking that we would bring in a bunch of underpublicized lineman who specialize in what we're going to do for the next few years. So far, we've re-signed Rabach and Mike Williams, who don't do any of that. Clifton is 34.

It's possible we're already doing that and I'm just oblivious, but I'm just seeing guys who have struggled to hold on to a starting job the last few years traipsing through here, and I'm skeptical. That's all.

When you see "3-year deal", and it being offered to a backup-quality lineman, you do have to wonder what the greater plan is. Usually with bargain-basement types, shorter contracts are in vogue.

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[quote=GTripp0012;670624]I'm sure that every lineman has some sort of exposure to the ZBS, but I thought/was delusional in thinking that we would bring in a bunch of underpublicized lineman who specialize in what we're going to do for the next few years. So far, we've re-signed Rabach and Mike Williams, who don't do any of that. Clifton is 34.

It's possible we're already doing that and I'm just oblivious, but I'm just seeing guys who have struggled to hold on to a starting job the last few years traipsing through here, and I'm skeptical. That's all.

When you see "3-year deal", and it being offered to a backup-quality lineman, you do have to wonder what the greater plan is. Usually with bargain-basement types, shorter contracts are in vogue.[/quote]

Yes you have to wonder but one player who is a back up in one system might actually do rather well in another scheme. If Shanahan can get mid to late rounders to be the best OL in the NFL as he has with Denver then I presume he will do just as well with players who are from other teams but the same catagory.

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[quote=GTripp0012;670624]I'm sure that every lineman has some sort of exposure to the ZBS, but I thought/was delusional in thinking that we would bring in a bunch of underpublicized lineman who specialize in what we're going to do for the next few years. So far, we've re-signed Rabach and Mike Williams, who don't do any of that. Clifton is 34.

It's possible we're already doing that and I'm just oblivious, but I'm just seeing guys who have struggled to hold on to a starting job the last few years traipsing through here, and I'm skeptical. That's all.

When you see "3-year deal", and it being offered to a backup-quality lineman, you do have to wonder what the greater plan is. Usually with bargain-basement types, shorter contracts are in vogue.[/quote]

I think its a job security thing. If there's a lockout, the players may be out of luck salary-wise.

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[quote=SBXVII;670625]Yes you have to wonder but one player who is a back up in one system might actually do rather well in another scheme. If Shanahan can get mid to late rounders to be the best OL in the NFL as he has with Denver then I presume he will do just as well with players who are from other teams but the same catagory.[/quote]What you're saying is correct. I just hope it's a small part of the greater plan, instead of, you know, the plan for rebuilding the line.

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Well GTtripp that is the problem with this year's fa ol pool. There just aren't any good quality guys out there. Unless we trade away draft picks for RFAs. There aren't going to be any guys in the background so to speak.

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Prob not going to find a lot of underpublicized guys that are that good in UFA, after this many years they're either known well or not, unless they're sitting behind a damn good starter.

Would that line of thinking be right? I def don't follow enough other teams' lines to know.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;670629]Well GTtripp that is the problem with this year's fa ol pool. There just aren't any good quality guys out there. Unless we trade away draft picks for RFAs. There aren't going to be any guys in the background so to speak.[/quote]Right, so why give a multi-year (longer than two) deal to anyone? What good does it do to say: "you're a nice player in a crappy class, come be a staple of our future."

Nothing is inherently wrong with either of these signings, as players who can help us win, but something doesn't quite smell right. Improvement is going to be slow, of course, but this is hardly even moving in the right direction.

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Something else that needs to be said, is that Mike Shanahan has not seen any of our current roster on the field with his staff. Once we get past the 15th off season workouts he and his staff will continue making the necessary moves. Any moves made right now are based off film and obvious needs (which makes me happy that they are bringing in the OL players first). i would imagine in the upcoming years as the staff has a familiarity with the players we would be a little more aggressive If needed players are available.

And of course, Vinnie left the cupboard pretty bare, BA doesn't have much leeway with picks as our line situation is harsh so we need all our picks and we have not accumulated them in the past so we have no extras to use so we really can't look at restricted as we may have liked.

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It's really funny how guys are complaining about the guys were bringing in are nobodys, low draft round guys but two weeks ago the same people were talking about the Saints OL & how it was good and made up of a bunch of low draft round guys.

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the free agent class this year is pretty bad alltogether

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[quote=tryfuhl;670631]Prob not going to find a lot of underpublicized guys that are that good in UFA, after this many years they're either known well or not, unless they're sitting behind a damn good starter.

Would that line of thinking be right? I def don't follow enough other teams' lines to know.[/quote]Yeah, it's pretty much only going to be known to people who have coached them. It's really difficult to find a market niche elsewhere in football. Certain skills are under/overvalued all the time, but as far as a starting caliber player hidden on an NFL bench...you need to be well networked to tap that channel.

Thing is, our scouts are notoriously poor at evaluating the talent around the rest of the league. We've, historically, been much more successful projecting from the college level. BA can only work with the information that he's been given.

With Artis Hicks, we have a guy who was absolutely killed at the LT position in some limited time this year. Batiste'd, if you will. Pashos is a RT with no versatility to play anywhere else. RT and utility lineman are both needs, but three year contracts suggest that there won't be competition. That's a pricey release.

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Good arguments all around, by the way. Ultimately, I hope this "smell" is just the stench of poor analysis on my part.

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[quote=GTripp0012;670636]

Thing is, our scouts are notoriously poor at evaluating the talent around the rest of the league. We've, historically, been much more successful projecting from the college level. BA can only work with the information that he's been given.
[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. Maybe it was a philosophy thing more than scouting but who knows.

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[quote=skinsnut;670287]Think of Delhomme without Steve Smith....wow.
He has now entered the land of the backups....except 3 or 4 teams that flat out suck at QB. Thank goodness we are not one of them.

He is decent....that is all
Campbell is better and still has upside in my opinion.
Delhomme will only get worse over time[/quote]

Is that like a fucking haiku or something?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;670626]I think its a job security thing. If there's a lockout, the players may be out of luck salary-wise.[/quote]Particularly good point. Didn't even think of that.

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[quote=SBXVII;670625] If Shanahan can get mid to late rounders to be the best OL in the NFL as he has with Denver then I presume he will do just as well with players who are from other teams but the same catagory.[/quote]

My hope is to trade down from the #4 spot for multiple picks in order to pick up some of those mid to late rounders. I keep holding out hope that this is the plan. I want more good draftees, and not one high priced one at #4. I think Allenhan-ShanAllen can do it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;670637]Good arguments all around, by the way. Ultimately, I hope this "smell" is just the stench of poor analysis on my part.[/quote]

Yeah at this point in FA we usually have other things to talk about and speculate.

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[quote=Mechanix544;670639]Is that like a fucking haiku or something?[/quote]

hahaha

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Can someone please tell Gregg Rosenthal to get his head out of his arse and remind him we still have Quinton Ganther on our roster of players.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/willie-parker-expected-to-visit-redskins/]Willie Parker expected to visit Redskins | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

[QUOTE]Anthony Aldrige and P.J. Hill are the only running backs on the Redskins roster other than Portis.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=tryfuhl;670642]Yeah at this point in FA we usually have other things to talk about and speculate.[/quote]

at this point we are usually getting ready for a press conference followed by a parade out in ashburn. this year has been pretty refreshing it's nice to see change, i just hope to be this happy april 22

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[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/real-story-on-pashos-non-deal-isnt-all-that-exciting/?related=1"]Florio[/URL]:

[QUOTE=Mike Florio]
The truth is that Pashos visited Washington, they talked numbers, and Pashos left as planned for Cleveland.
[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SBXVII;670645]Can someone please tell Gregg Rosenthal to get his head out of his arse and remind him we still have Quinton Ganther on our roster of players.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/willie-parker-expected-to-visit-redskins/"]Willie Parker expected to visit Redskins | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]Except, of course, that we don't.

Non-tendered RFA = UFA.

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[quote=GTripp0012;670649]Except, of course, that we don't.

Non-tendered RFA = UFA.[/quote]

Then perhaps someone should remind the Skins organization who still have him on their roster.

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I would honestly be OK with signing Willie Parker for a year or two. The guys got shit to prove IMO. .
Our tamdum would be sick

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[quote=Meks;670659]I would honestly be OK with signing Willie Parker for a year or two. The guys got shit to prove IMO. .
Our tamdum would be sick[/quote]

Is Fast Willie Parker still fast? If he isn't he should be Fast Willie Commentator.

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U know damn well he's still a good rb

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Parker and Portis ? Stop.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;670660]Is Fast Willie Parker still fast? If he isn't he should be Fast Willie Commentator.[/quote]

I fear that he is not so fast any more but is not yet a commentator.

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[quote=Meks;670663]Parker and Portis ? Stop.[/quote]

Maybe if this was your 2005 fantasy backfield... If we sign him, he must have something left in the tank.

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I think if we sign Willie Parker then Portis is gone. It's just a hunch on my part, but from the beginning I believed Shanny will draft a RB and have probably one other main carrier on the roster. Portis looked awful most of last season and then of course there's the concussion. With LT, Westbrook showing how quickly even great RBs hit their wall I think the FO looks to dump Portis soon.

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[quote=The Goat;670675]I think if we sign Willie Parker then Portis is gone. It's just a hunch on my part, but from the beginning I believed Shanny will draft a RB and have probably one other main carrier on the roster. Portis looked awful most of last season and then of course there's the concussion. With LT, Westbrook showing how quickly even great RBs hit their wall I think the FO looks to dump Portis soon.[/quote]

It's hard to say. Can you call either one of them the definitive starter? Probably not. I'd take Portis over Parker at this point, assuming clean bill of health from each. Don't know that we'll take an RB high enough to guarantee a start. We'll address the position but I don't think that we'll end up with THAT guy.

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totally agree fellas...Portis > Parker....two fold.