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[quote=Dirtbag59;791982]Thanks. If it wasn't for Zorn I would still have a job. Skinzwin, did you know that Zorn eats babies? Especially the ones that Dan saved from third world countries.[/quote]

I hear he has a fetish for the tubby ones. Sad to say they are a dime a dozen in today's world. Is that why you got rid of him? You can't draft to save your life but you won't stand for cannibalism?

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It's difficult trying to process all of the scenarios on and before draft day. There are also questions about what will be done about Haynesworth, McNabb, and other players who haven't re-signed. It seems that a lot of these questions will satisfied after the team has positioned themselves to take the best players available in the draft. If Julio Jones or A.J. Green fall into their lap, there's likely no need to re-sign Moss. Bringing McNabb back hinges on if and however the team can set themselves up to draft a potential, future franchise-QB*. Should Haynesworth be retained? He has already been paid the bulk of his contract but, if Fairley or Cam Jordan (DE in our 3-4 front) is available at 10th overall or a trade down yields an additional pick to draft Phil Taylor or Kendrick Ellis and a QB*. Again, the scenarios are boundless. What the team has to do with very few early picks and so many holes to fill and/or upgrade is draft the best player available (besides TE), bring in more stopgap vets, and give the younger, late round selections a chance to develop.

Something that plays a significant role in what goes down on draft day is strength/depth of each position. For example, if top-tier talent QBs are scarce, this generally will push them up the draft board. This is also a key consideration for teams to trade up. In contrast, if a position is relatively deep, teams can generally be at ease that there will be plenty of talent available later.

Saying all of that, here's my wishlist/prediction for staying put at 10th overall and trading down (with NEs 28th and 33rd overall for the 10th overall 1240 vs 1300 [URL="http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm"]trade value points [/URL]in favor of NE). I have a feeling that A.J. Green and Julio Jones both will be gone at the 10th pick. Also, CIN should be in the market for a QB in the second (35) if they haven't nabbed one early in the first. It’s just a coincidence that I have a CB drafted for each first round pick. It seems as these guys would be the best player available in my mock.

[U]Staying Put[/U]
1 (10): Prince Amukamara
2 (41): Jake "The Snake II" Locker

[U]Trade Scenario[/U]
1 (28): Brandon Harris
2 (33): Jake "The Snake II" Locker
2 (41): Justin Houston

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I'm going with a VY/Jake Locker duo next year.

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[quote=SkinzWin;791962]Why give away draft picks to trade up for Locker when you can get a better QB in Kaepernick at 41?

#10 - Defensive front or linebacker
#41 - Colin Kaepernick

BOOM! WINNING!!![/quote]Sounds good to me.

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#10 - Cameron Jordan
#41 - Christian Ponder

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[quote=Lotus;792004]#10 - Cameron Jordan
#41 - Christian Ponder[/quote]

Is that what you want, or what you think will happen?

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[quote=Lotus;792004]#10 - Cameron Jordan
#41 - Christian Ponder[/quote]

wow Jordan at 10? I'd rather have Aldon Smith but honestly if Prince is available I'd take him.

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you guys and your damn PONDER lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;792005]Is that what you want, or what you think will happen?[/quote]

Definitely what I want. I have no reasoned idea what will happen other than your frequent statements of interest regarding Quinn. Shanny often surprises. Quinn will certainly do.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;792006]wow Jordan at 10? I'd rather have Aldon Smith but honestly if Prince is available I'd take him.[/quote]

Mayock has Jordan at #10 too.

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[quote=Lotus;792009]Definitely what I want. I have no reasoned idea what will happen. Shanny often surprises.[/quote]

Yes, he does. If we stay at 10 and 41, I'd be fine with that

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[quote=Lotus;792010]Mayock has Jordan at #10 too.[/quote]

Dan Shonka, the scout we spoke to, thinks they should take Jordan at 10 too.

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Can Marvin Austin play the 5 technique (or nose)? All the reports I keep hearing are that he he doesn't have any work ethic problems, and is a dominating force on the field with 1st round talent. Unless he has an attitude problem I really don't mind his "red flag" for taking money. I'd love for him to slip to us in the second if he can play the 5 technique.

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I don't know if he can play NT, but I'm sure he could play DE in the 3-4 alignment. At 6'2" and approx 310lbs, I think he could play the NT spot, but he'd be better at End.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792012]Dan Shonka, the scout we spoke to, thinks they should take Jordan at 10 too.[/quote]

If we get stuck at 10 then i would be happy with a plyer with Jordan's pedigree. I still would like to find a reasonable way to get Locker with the next pick though.

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[QUOTE=Son Of Man;792090]If we get stuck at 10 then i would be happy with a plyer with Jordan's pedigree. I still would like to find a reasonable way to get Locker with the next pick though.[/QUOTE

I can't see Locker being available at #41. they will be looking at the likes of Kaepernick or McElroy by then. 10 seems to high for a QB...but 41 seems to low...I think were fkd.

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Dan Shonka, our honorary NFL Scout for the Warpath (but not the scout(s) who provides me with some inside info in case you thought he was), sent me these notes on Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder in order of preference

[B]Blaine Gabbert
[/B]
Delivers the ball suddenly to his receivers. No delay. Athletic and mobile. Stands tall in the pocket. Plays in a spread ball control passing attack.

[B]Jake Locker [/B]
Outstanding athletic ability and a quick release.
May be best in a play action offense

[B]Christian Ponder[/B]
Has had durability problems, but like Locker may be featured in a play action offense. A good ball control passer who is mobile enough to buy time with his feet. Tough and
smart.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792112]Dan Shonka, our honorary NFL Scout for the Warpath (but not the scout(s) who provides me with some inside info in case you thought he was), sent me these notes on Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder in order of preference

[B]Blaine Gabbert
[/B]
Delivers the ball suddenly to his receivers. No delay. Athletic and mobile. Stands tall in the pocket. Plays in a spread ball control passing attack.

[B]Jake Locker [/B]
Outstanding athletic ability and a quick release.
May be best in a play action offense

[B]Christian Ponder[/B]
Has had durability problems, but like Locker may be featured in a play action offense. A good ball control passer who is mobile enough to buy time with his feet. Tough and
smart.[/quote]

I'm with Shonka. I'll say this too, if Gabbert falls to 10th overall, I'm jumping for joy.

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[quote=diehard;792126]I'm with Shonka. I'll say this too, if Gabbert falls to 10th overall, I'm jumping for joy.[/quote]

Gabbert could easily go to Carolina, but will not fall past Arizona. Newton will likely be in Buffalo and possibly Carolina as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792112]Dan Shonka, our honorary NFL Scout for the Warpath (but not the scout(s) who provides me with some inside info in case you thought he was), sent me these notes on Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder in order of preference

[B]Blaine Gabbert
[/B]
Delivers the ball suddenly to his receivers. No delay. Athletic and mobile. Stands tall in the pocket. Plays in a spread ball control passing attack.

[B]Jake Locker [/B]
Outstanding athletic ability and a quick release.
May be best in a play action offense

[B]Christian Ponder[/B]
Has had durability problems, but like Locker may be featured in a play action offense. A good ball control passer who is mobile enough to buy time with his feet. Tough and
smart.[/quote]

If we can't trade down from 10, then I'm all for trading back into the 1st to get Locker. I would hope that we will not be in position the next few drafts to get a blue-chip prospect.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792112]Dan Shonka, our honorary NFL Scout for the Warpath (but not the scout(s) who provides me with some inside info in case you thought he was), sent me these notes on Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder in order of preference

[B]Blaine Gabbert[/B]

Delivers the ball suddenly to his receivers. No delay. Athletic and mobile. Stands tall in the pocket. Plays in a spread ball control passing attack.

[B]Jake Locker [/B]
Outstanding athletic ability and a quick release.
May be best in a play action offense

[B]Christian Ponder[/B]
Has had durability problems, but like Locker may be featured in a play action offense. A good ball control passer who is mobile enough to buy time with his feet. Tough and
smart.[/quote]I would love to hear what Dan sees as the downside on each, and at what draft position he would take each one.

Gabbert, Newton, and Locker all have a ton of negatives and strong bust potential IMO. No way I risk a 1st rounder on any of those three. Ponder, McElroy, Dalton all seem to be game managers at best, I'd rather wait into the 3rd round (if we can rustle up a pick somehow) and grab one of the three. Kaepernick I can see a high upside, I think I'd risk the 41st pick on him if we can't fill an immediate need (NT, OLB, CB, G, T) with an starting caliber player.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792197]I would love to hear what Dan sees as the downside on each, and at what draft position he would take each one.

Gabbert, Newton, and Locker all have a ton of negatives and strong bust potential IMO. No way I risk a 1st rounder on any of those three. Ponder, McElroy, Dalton all seem to be game managers at best, I'd rather wait into the 3rd round (if we can rustle up a pick somehow) and grab one of the three. Kaepernick I can see a high upside, I think I'd risk the 41st pick on him if we can't fill an immediate need (NT, OLB, CB, G, T) with an starting caliber player.[/quote]

People's opinions of Dalton are really rising, people whose opinions matter that is.

Shonka likes Kaepernick as a guy to potentially develop if I recall correctly.

He wouldn't take any of those 3 in the 1st round, well maybe at the bottom of the 1st round. Sorry he'd take Gabbert probably top 5, but not the other 2

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[quote=SmootSmack;792198]People's opinions of Dalton are really rising, people whose opinions matter that is.

Shonka likes Kaepernick as a guy to potentially develop if I recall correctly.

He wouldn't take any of those 3 in the 1st round, well maybe at the bottom of the 1st round. Sorry he'd take Gabbert probably top 5, but not the other 2[/quote]Thanks SS. I'll just hope & pray for Gabbert & Newton to be gone by # 10.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792201]Thanks SS. I'll just hope & pray for Gabbert & Newton to be gone by # 10.[/quote]

I can't imagine they won't be. One of them will go first overall. And the other will go 3 or 4

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[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Lockers-TD-pass-in-the-Apple-Cup.html]Breaking down Locker's TD pass in the Apple Cup | National Football Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;792302][url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Lockers-TD-pass-in-the-Apple-Cup.html]Breaking down Locker's TD pass in the Apple Cup | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

I sincerely hope that Locker is our guy for the future.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792302][url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Lockers-TD-pass-in-the-Apple-Cup.html]Breaking down Locker's TD pass in the Apple Cup | National Football Post[/url][/quote]
Funny how a QB's footwork and pocket presence look better within a clean pocket.

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Jake Locker: The perfect Lockout QB. For all your signal caller needs.

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Kaaeeeeppppeeerrrrnnniiiccckkkkkkkk.....

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Locker will be a redskin folks

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792373]Jake Locker: The perfect Lockout QB. For all your signal caller needs.[/quote]

[quote=SkinzWin;792384]Kaaeeeeppppeeerrrrnnniiiccckkkkkkkk.....[/quote]

[quote=skinsfaninok;792391]Locker will be a redskin folks[/quote]

Intelligent intellectual debates. Warpath style.

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LOL yeah we r lazy lately DBAG

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[quote=skinsfaninok;792391]Locker will be a redskin folks[/quote]

Finally...the Locker Room forum name will make total sense

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[quote=SmootSmack;792396]Finally...the Locker Room forum name will make total sense[/quote]


good point

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Get Ponder from over yonder. He is our bonder. Any other choice is squandered.

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[quote=Lotus;792400]Get Ponder from over yonder. He is our bonder. Any other choice is squandered.[/quote]


Lotus or Lil Wayne?

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Ponder the slinger
Excellent in all respects
Redskins Super Bowl

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[quote=Lotus;792403]Ponder the slinger
Excellent in all respects
Redskins Super Bowl[/quote]


OK that's more like Soulja Boy