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We tried for another WR in FA with Royal, anyone else think we will draft another WR? Joe Adams? Jurion Criner? Dwight Jones?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904514]We tried for another WR in FA with Royal, anyone else think we will draft another WR? Joe Adams? Jurion Criner? Dwight Jones?[/quote]

Yes, but likely in the 4th rd; Someone similar to Royal who can play slot and return kicks, like a T.Y. Hilton, or a Ryan Broyles... and since we didn't sign Royal, we'll end up drafting someone like him.

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Broyles won't return kicks. If possible Joe Adams would be a nice pickup.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904522]Broyles won't return kicks. If possible Joe Adams would be a nice pickup.[/quote]

I'd much rather add Joe Adams than Either Broyles or Hilton. I like Brolyes a lot but the fact that he had the knee injury this season scares me away.

I wouldn't be upset if we do pick up Broyles though but I would prefer him in a later round (5,6 or 7)

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Fair enough, but I agree that [B]we will draft another WR[/B]... It only makes sense, since we did not sign Royal.

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[quote=Mattyk;904512]Garçon was definitely the #2 WR available in free agency, and demand for his services was high. Anyone that denies that is just a hatter.[/quote]

a mad 'hatter'?

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They may add another WR, but bringing in Royal would have meant the departure of Moss or Gaffney. Now they'll probably just keep them

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;904538]They may add another WR, but bringing in Royal would have meant the departure of Moss or Gaffney. Now they'll probably just keep them[/QUOTE]



So your thinking: Garcon/Hankerson/Moss/Morgam/Gaffney/Draft Pick/Paul? Robinson back to PS? Banks cut?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904572]So your thinking: Garcon/Hankerson/Moss/Morgam/Gaffney/Draft Pick/Paul? Robinson back to PS? Banks cut?[/quote]

Garcon/Hankerson/Morgan/Moss/Gaffney

Robinson/Paul battling for PS (though I could see both making it and one being a constant inactive)

Austin, Armstrong, Banks gone

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;904586]Garcon/Hankerson/Morgan/Moss/Gaffney



Robinson/Paul battling for PS (though I could see both making it and one being a constant inactive)



Austin, Armstrong, Banks gone[/QUOTE]



So who returns kicks? Moss? Hall? draft pick?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904591]So who returns kicks? Moss? Hall? draft pick?[/quote]

Paul most likely (or robinson)

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^ Man, I prefer Robinson there.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904595]^ Man, I prefer Robinson there.[/quote]

Idk if he's ready, I mean in the one preseason game we saw him return kicks last year he fumbled twice. Not a good showing.

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[quote=mooby;904600]Idk if he's ready, I mean in the one preseason game we saw him return kicks last year he fumbled twice. Not a good showing.[/quote]

Which is why we need to draft a return man/slot WR similar to Royal... I agree that Banks, Armstrong, and Austin are done, but I don't think Robinson is the answer either (PS another year)... I think we keep 6 WR's Hank/Gaffney/Morgan/Garcon/Paul/Draft Pick (Moss is a June 1 cut)

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Banks fumbled a lot early as well. I just say keep Banks unless we draft a Joe Adams type guy. Can play slot plus return

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904639]Banks fumbled a lot early as well. I just say keep Banks unless we draft a Joe Adams type guy. Can play slot plus return[/quote]i think it's time for banks to go. i greatly enjoy watching him play but his risks outweigh his rewards

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[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/mar/28/wr-garcon-and-morgan-fit-shanahans-playmaker-criti/]WR Garcon and Morgan fit Shanahan's playmaker critieria - Washington Times[/url]

[quote]The Redskins aggressively pursued Garcon (five years, $42.5 million contract, and Morgan (two years, $12 million) "knowing we might have to overpay," Shanahan said.

Why?

"His ability to run after the catch," Shanahan said. "His ability to come out of a break at full speed. He’s one of the few guys I’ve been around that can explode on the field, come out of a break with speed. Once he catches the ball, his ability to go to the distance."[/quote]



[quote]"Josh Morgan is a complete football player," Shanahan continued. "He can block. He can run. He can catch. He’s one of the most underrated guys that I thought was out there when I talk about a complete football player."[/quote]

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I mean, it's nearly impossible to predict what the offense will be capable of this season. It could be downright explosive if the chemistry between Griffin and Garcon, Hank, Morgan, Davis/Cooley and Moss/Gafney is already established. And if the oline gels together to improve the ground attack it could be just lethal.

...but questions abound. Will Morgan and Hank be healthy? Will Griffin be ready for the big stage? Who's our starting RT?

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[quote=NC_Skins;904653][URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/mar/28/wr-garcon-and-morgan-fit-shanahans-playmaker-criti/"]WR Garcon and Morgan fit Shanahan's playmaker critieria - Washington Times[/URL][/quote]

what shanny says about him and coming otu of a break is someting weve sorely lacked for yours. santana is his prime could have done it, but we never had a qb who could hit a simple slant in stride.

finally we at least have some WRs whoa re young and can do it and HOPEFULLY a QB who can hit them.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904653][url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/mar/28/wr-garcon-and-morgan-fit-shanahans-playmaker-criti/]WR Garcon and Morgan fit Shanahan's playmaker critieria - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

He also forgot to say that Josh Morgan is also coming off a serious ankle injury; very grotesque break from what I heard. I would have taken Eddie Royal over Josh, but whatever.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;904961]He also forgot to say that Josh Morgan is also coming off a serious ankle injury; very grotesque break from what I heard. I would have taken Eddie Royal over Josh, but whatever.[/quote]

I think the idea was take whichever one agrees to a contract first, and that was morgan.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904639]Banks fumbled a lot early as well. I just say keep Banks unless we draft a Joe Adams type guy. Can play slot plus return[/quote]

Ryan Broyles in the third.

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^ Joe Adams, LaMichael James, Andrew Datko, Markelle Martin. That's my 3rd round wish list in no particular order.

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[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;904961]He also forgot to say that Josh Morgan is also coming off a serious ankle injury; very grotesque break from what I heard. I would have taken Eddie Royal over Josh, but whatever.[/QUOTE]



Morgan's a very underrated player. He'll be fine. He could go right now if needed. I'm looking at Hank/Garcon/Morgan as the triad that will grow with Griffin.

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There is an ongoing theme I'm seeing that is pretty sad, and that is apparently the Browns do not have a phone anywhere in their building and non of the staff have cell phones. The team must have banned them from the facility in case of a situation of an active shooter.

What on earth am I talking about? The Skins trade with the Rams for the #2 pick and the Browns whined about how they wanted the trade. How their offer was just as good as the Redskins.

Now the Browns are saying they wanted Pierre Garçon. Um, what they can't make a phone call? Can't contact an agent? Oh I know what it is.... it's he whole competitive advantage BS.

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[quote=SBXVII;904513]If you have a problem with Garcon then your really going to have a problem with RG3. He's all potential also and no production.[/quote]

I actually don't have a problem with Garcon. Price was a little steep but sometimes you gotta overpay. I just didn't see the reason for the Morgan signing.

And the RG3 comment was just silly.

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[quote=Ruhskins;904317]Yeah but both of those teams have established QBs that helped develop those young WRs. Plus, when Big Ben took over in Pittsburgh, he had two experienced WRs in Hines (who was a Pro Bowler) and Burress. If you invest on a young QB, you want to give him weapons right away and not gamble with the development of young WRs.[/quote]

Sorry but I'm going out and getting quality o-linemen to protect my investment BEFORE I go out and get wr's. Besides, we already have Moss and Gafney here. Those guys are solid vets.

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[quote=skinsfan69;905275]Sorry but I'm going out and getting quality o-linemen to protect my investment BEFORE I go out and get wr's. Besides, we already have Moss and Gafney here. Those guys are solid vets.[/quote]

I tend to agree with you but the question is weather or not the line is as bad as we think it is.

I mean we've been over the numbers before,

- They gave up 5 fewer sacks in 2011 then they did in 2010 with their starting LT and LG missing a huge chunk of time.

-They also had a couple games where John Beck [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/john-beck-nine-sacks-20-completions-two-interceptions-zero-wins/2011/10/30/gIQACs8XXM_blog.html"]held onto the ball wayyyyyyyyyyyy to long.[/URL]

- And they also ended the season with a string of games which featured a 100 yard rusher.

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Moss and Gaffney are solid vets but neither is a deep threat, and let's face it both are on the tail end of their careers. We needed some productive young talent at WR.

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[quote=Mattyk;905282]Moss and Gaffney are solid vets but neither is a deep threat, and let's face it both are on the tail end of their careers. [B]We needed some productive young talent at WR.[/B][/quote]

Yes sir. We need some whippersnappers that Griffin can grow with.

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[quote=Lotus;905285]Yes sir. We need some whippersnappers that Griffin can grow with.[/quote]

Absolutely. On paper at least it's a nice mix of vets who know the system and younger playmakers who will grow w/ Griffin.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;905276]I tend to agree with you but the question is weather or not the line is as bad as we think it is.

I mean we've been over the numbers before,

- They gave up 5 fewer sacks in 2011 then they did in 2010 with their starting LT and LG missing a huge chunk of time.

-They also had a couple games where John Beck [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/john-beck-nine-sacks-20-completions-two-interceptions-zero-wins/2011/10/30/gIQACs8XXM_blog.html"]held onto the ball wayyyyyyyyyyyy to long.[/URL]

- And they also ended the season with a string of games which featured a 100 yard rusher.[/quote]

Good points. It's obvious that the staff probably thinks they're solid there with the lack of activity in free agency. They put wr as the number one priority. We'll see...

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For me its a question of team building philosophy.

Our OL last year was better then the year prior.

But, if I'm building an offense and a team around a young QB I want to aim higher then being better then terrible along the OL.

Griffin would provide an automatic boost to the passing game by himself.
No one is saying Gaffney and Moss are top level WRs.
But if they can be productive with McNabb and Rex then they'll be productive with Griff.
We build the OL ride with Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong give Hankerson a chance to develop and draft a WR.
But the focus would be on upgrading the OL specifically the RT but addressing RG would've been good also.

I like Garcon and Morgan, don't get me wrong.
But I would have prefered to improve the OL this year then address WR next year after we see what we have in Hankerson and the other WRs.

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[quote=Mattyk;905282]Moss and Gaffney are solid vets but neither is a deep threat, and let's face it both are on the tail end of their careers. We needed some productive young talent at WR.[/quote]

I think in one-on-one coverage, Moss or Gaffney can stil get behind the corner back and catch a deep ball. Gaffney and Moss are more of possession receivers now, but they can still go deep.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;905491]I think in one-on-one coverage, Moss or Gaffney can stil get behind the corner back and catch a deep ball. Gaffney and Moss are more of possession receivers now, but they can still go deep.[/quote]

Sure, if the corner falls down maybe. :)

Neither guy is the kind of [U]reliable[/U] deep threat you need.

And Gaffney isn't a big yards after the catch guy either. We need more explosive plays and these guys just don't cut it in that department.

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[quote=Mattyk;905494]We need more explosive plays and these guys just don't cut it in that department.[/quote]You wouldn't be [I][B]relying[/B][/I] on them as deep threats or 'explosive' players.
Moss is a move around guy at this point and his greatest production is from the slot.
Armstrong and Hankerson would be the 'vertical' WRs.
But, its all moot anyway.

The additions of Garcon and Morgan without a doubt improve the WRs corps.

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[quote=Mattyk;905494][B]And Gaffney isn't a big yards after the catch guy either.[/B] W[/quote]



This is what it boils down to. YAC.


LOL @ Moss & Gaffney as deep threats. Needed that laugh today.

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[quote=NC_Skins;905516]This is what it boils down to. YAC.[/quote]Lets keep some perspective here.
Moss has always been one of the better YAC receivers.

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I hope we add Tommy Streeter to the roster and let him develop for a year or two.

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[quote=30gut;905522]Lets keep some perspective here.
Moss has always been one of the better YAC receivers.[/quote]

If anything Kyle's system has limited YAC among the WR corp. Many routes put the WR/slot receiver underneath the safeties or even the line backers.

...anyways as you said Tana boasts solid YAC through his career. NC doesn't know what he's talking about.