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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;999123]Yep Laberbius Coles and a pick I believ[/quote]

That's a pretty fantastic mis-spelling.

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[quote=Schneed10;999127]I do think the Chicken Littles up in here need to take a pill. Our secondary will be so much better next year because of the presence of Brandon Meriweather alone. They will come up with a passable CB either through the draft or through patience in free agency.

And has everyone forgotten how Reed Doughty performed at the end of the year? Dude may have turned a corner.[/quote]

Best I've ever seen him play. In fact...he was damn good. If he can keep up that level of play..that would definitely improve our secondary quite a bit.

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If we draft David Amerson, Tyrann Mathieu and D.J, Swearinger we'll be good in the secondary. Especially if we sign Winfeild. The secondary would be aggressive attacking and stout IMO.

I honestly want us to draft Terron Armstead. That move would solidify the offensive line for the next 5-10 years. He is that good. Damn I wish we had two 2nd round picks!

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[quote=53Fan;999129]Best I've ever seen him play. In fact...he was damn good. If he can keep up that level of play..that would definitely improve our secondary quite a bit.[/quote]

Damn good? S he was playing at an all pro level, but... It was for one half. He has had trouble playing at that level consistently which is how he ended up with us. We need him to work out for us next year really bad.

And speaking of safety, I heard that Jackson will not be able to practice or participate in anything with the team until the end of the preseason, since that's when his suspension went into effect. Is there any chance he will be a contributor next year or is he a lost cause at this point?

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[quote=Schneed10;999128]That's a pretty fantastic mis-spelling.[/quote]

Firstdown has taught him well.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;999102]Dude you and a couple if other people here need to stop with this guy.

A he's never played an NFL game
B he is coming off of 2 torn acls on the same knee and micro fracture surgery which basically makes you prone to more surgeries.

Show me in the past a CB who has had micro fracture and or more than one knee surgery who is/was still playing at or near their career numbers. CB, RB and WR are 3 of the main positions in the NFL where you can't have guys cutting hard and fast on multiple knee surgeries and/or micro fracture surgery.[/quote]

You are probably right but just b/c other players haven't come back doesn't mean he cannot. I mean you still probably like Colt Brennan and he was never good. At least this guy was good at one point in his career. ;-)

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[quote=SkinzWin;999136]You are probably right but just b/c other players haven't come back doesn't mean he cannot. I mean you still probably like Colt Brennan and he was never good. At least this guy was good at one point in his career. ;-)[/quote]

Ooo zing.

Colt's just waiting to make him comeback!

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[quote=SkinzWin;999136]You are probably right but just b/c other players haven't come back doesn't mean he cannot. I mean you still probably like Colt Brennan and he was never good. At least this guy was good at one point in his career. ;-)[/quote]

When was minniefield ever good? Should he be part if the equation... Yes. Should he be given a chance to get healthy... Yes. Should the redskins depend on him having a positive impact... No.

Jim irsay said on twitter that they r very close to a deal that they have been working on for 5 days...

I'm calling it.
Revis to colts

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This free agency period has been a nightmare. Soooooo, we have essentially one starting corner and a safety who cant play until after preseason if at all? While this all stinks....I think the upcoming draft can land us some viable options. IMO, this draft better hit on at least 2 or three starters...very important draft for Shanny to sustain the momentum we have from last season. This cap penalty could set us back a year or two.....or.....further piss our team off and provide motivation to win the East again and make a run. While the free agency period is hugely dissapointing, we must remember that a franchise, game-changing, dynamic QB masks a whole lot of deficiencies. We are mad about not getting thus player or that player in free agency...all these teams would kill to have R...G...3.....regardless of what free agent we have or don't have...we have the foundation laid for the future!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;999139]Jim irsay said on twitter that they r very close to a deal that they have been working on for 5 days...

I'm calling it.
Revis to colts[/quote]

Who is they?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;999139]Jim irsay said on twitter that they r very close to a deal that they have been working on for 5 days...

I'm calling it.
Revis to colts[/quote]

So the jets pay revis an extra million just to trade him off? Don't think so...

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[quote=SkinzWin;999136]You are probably right but just b/c other players haven't come back doesn't mean he cannot. I mean you still probably like Colt Brennan and he was never good. At least this guy was good at one point in his career. ;-)[/quote]

He's the best Hawaii QB ever don't hate on colt. He's a cool guy actually. I met him in London county once. Real outgoing.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;999137]Ooo zing.

Colt's just waiting to make him comeback![/quote]

On the third season Pineapple Jesus will rise again to change water into poi!


[quote=CultBrennan59;999148]He's the best Hawaii QB ever don't hate on colt. He's a cool guy actually. I met him in London county once. Real outgoing.[/quote]

Timmy Chang, who did not have the benefit of Davone Bess, would beg to differ.

NFL network had the top 10 FA bust and of course fat Albert was number 1 but geez if u really stop and think about it, he really didn't do shit for us lol. What in the hell was Vinny doing as a GM?? Wow. Didn't he get a 30M signing bonus? My dumb ass actually bought a haynesworth Jersey that yr.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;999143]Who is they?[/QUOTE]

Colts

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i think have 2 good safeties (TJ, BM) and a better pass rush (rak) will REALLY help the pass D. we still need a corner though. dhall or winfield will do, I imagine we'll be drafting 2-3 DBs regardless.

and i still want davis back. that's part of the 35+ points a game we're going to need to score until the DBs get there stuff sorted out.

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[quote=That Guy;999152]i think have 2 good safeties (TJ, BM) and a better pass rush (rak) will REALLY help the pass D. we still need a corner though. dhall or winfield will do, I imagine we'll be drafting 2-3 DBs regardless.

and i still want davis back. that's part of the 35+ points a game we're going to need to score until the DBs get there stuff sorted out.[/quote]

Can we really count on Tanard Jackson? He's about as helpful as Minnifield is at this point.

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[quote=Lotus;999149]On the third season Pineapple Jesus will rise again to change water into poi!




Timmy Chang, who did not have the benefit of Davone Bess, would beg to differ.[/quote]

Those colt and Cooley videos were hysterical.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;999139]Jim irsay said on twitter that they r very close to a deal that they have been working on for 5 days...

I'm calling it.
Revis to colts[/quote]

Jim irsay is saying its a WR. They're in Arizona. Could it be Fitzgerald? Maybe but I don't think so. Steve smith? Nah too old, plus Cam has no WRs as is. DeSean Jackson? He isn't a huge deal in terms of what Iraay was hinting at. Calvin johnson? Nope. Roddy White? Nope. Stevie Johnson? Maybe. There is actually a good chance of this happening. Hakeem Nicks? Maybe but that's only if they don't have enough money to sign...

Victor Cruz. That's who my money's on. They probably signed him to an offer sheet and when Irsay says they've been working on it for the past 5 days its probably because its been 5 days since they signed him to the offer sheet.

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no we can't rely on TJ, not really. I don't know that we have a choice though. dhall/winfield + davis seems like the best we can do in FA at this point, and drafted players are never reliable producers in year 1. (yes, you can get studs like griff or alfmo, but there's no guarantees anyone you pickup is going to produce on schedule/cue... otherwise hankerson would be our unquestioned #2 and moss would be retired right now).

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well, if irsay's taken cruz out of the NFC East... thanks! and my hat's off to that.

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[quote=That Guy;999152]i think have 2 good safeties (TJ, BM) and a better pass rush (rak) will REALLY help the pass D. we still need a corner though. dhall or winfield will do, I imagine we'll be drafting 2-3 DBs regardless.

and i still want davis back. that's part of the 35+ points a game we're going to need to score until the DBs get there stuff sorted out.[/quote]

I think at least one rookie will be the starter in the defensive backfield at the start of the season. Maybe even two by the end of the season.

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[quote=That Guy;999157]no we can't rely on TJ, not really. I don't know that we have a choice though. dhall/winfield + davis seems like the best we can do in FA at this point, and drafted players are never reliable producers in year 1. (yes, you can get studs like griff or alfmo, but there's no guarantees anyone you pickup is going to produce on schedule/cue... otherwise hankerson would be our unquestioned #2 and moss would be retired right now).[/quote]

The redskins relied on a lot of free agents to start for them last year... Didnt really work out. I think free agents are as reliable as draft picks at this point.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;999155]Those colt and Cooley videos were hysterical.[/quote]

Yes they were.

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Speaking of counting on things that you really can't count on, if Crawford really develops in year two, he could really change the outlook of our secondary.

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Is there any way to sign both Hall and Fred Davis to 3 year deals?
That would be great...keep in mind, we'd have to cope with Hall as a starter for 1 yr, but that is it, maybe move him elsewhere afterwards...unfortunately, he seems to only do well at CB with sideline help and isn't terrific in space...but I don't see many other good options.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;999156]Jim irsay is saying its a WR. They're in Arizona. Could it be Fitzgerald? Maybe but I don't think so. Steve smith? Nah too old, plus Cam has no WRs as is. DeSean Jackson? He isn't a huge deal in terms of what Iraay was hinting at. Calvin johnson? Nope. Roddy White? Nope. Stevie Johnson? Maybe. There is actually a good chance of this happening. Hakeem Nicks? Maybe but that's only if they don't have enough money to sign...

Victor Cruz. That's who my money's on. They probably signed him to an offer sheet and when Irsay says they've been working on it for the past 5 days its probably because its been 5 days since they signed him to the offer sheet.[/quote]Nicks is under contract till next year,Cruz just change agents and has(or had) a new waiting period his new Agent is Condon same as Eli's,expect Eli to restructure and sign Cruz

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[quote=donofriose;999163]The redskins relied on a lot of free agents to start for them last year... Didnt really work out. I think free agents are as reliable as draft picks at this point.[/quote]

True, although at least we weren't signing any of them on big money deals. If you spend $30 mil guaranteed for a starter and they suck, then that really screws you. We've just been bringing in a collection of cheap guys who all have the potential to step up and be a starter. At least I think that's their theory...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;999162]I think at least one rookie will be the starter in the defensive backfield at the start of the season. Maybe even two by the end of the season.[/quote]

Highly unlikely.

First of all. free agency isn't over yet. It is very likely that we'll sign a veteran CB to start opposite Josh Wilson.

Secondly, the situations of Brandon Meriweather and Tanard Jackson (the two projected starting safeties last season) are unknown at this time.

Thirdly, nobody knows if the Skins will even draft two DB's, much less who those players might be and what positions they might play if the Skins draft any of them.

Beyond that, the odds of any 2nd or 3rd or later round DB starting in his rookie year are exttemely low.

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[quote=Lotus;999167]Speaking of counting on things that you really can't count on, if Crawford really develops in year two, he could really change the outlook of our secondary.[/quote]

Exactly. How about we count on our own guys instead of a free agent. Crawford did get time last year and held his own.

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[QUOTE=takethecake;999178]True, although at least we weren't signing any of them on big money deals. If you spend $30 mil guaranteed for a starter and they suck, then that really screws you. [B]We've just been bringing in a collection of cheap guys who all have the potential to step up and be a starter. At least I think that's their theory...[/[/B]QUOTE]

Mike Shanahan has repeatedly said that he believes in competition and his actions in acquiring players have proven it.

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Right now the Secondary is set to struggle immensely(again) if we dont have a good draft. We need to draft at least 3 Secondary players...no less.

Depending on Minniefeld, Tanard Jackson is absolutely the worst idea ive heard on this board all year. Even thinking Brandon Merriweather can be counted on after major injuries last season is very naive.

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So why haven't we talked to Brent Grimes? He is a top 10 CB when healthy, he just came off an Achilles injury (so his money value goes down) and he's been on the market still after 5 days of FA (Value should go down again) I know we're tight with cap money, but I feel like he could just squeeze in there.

Also speaking of FAs coming off an Achilles injury. Why haven't we worked out a deal with Fred Davis? Whats the hold up? Is it still the cap. Fred had what one interested team (Cleveland?) and hasn't found it as a fit. He wants us and we want him. Lets make a deal Fred. This is getting ridiculous.

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Dear Chicken Littles,
Repeat after me, "We were a healthy RG3 away from kicking the crap out of Seattle, and that was without Orakpo, Carriker and Meriweather. We were a healthy RG3 away from kicking the crap out of Seattle, and that was without Orakpo, Carriker and Meriweather."

We'll be fine. More than fine.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;999184]So why haven't we talked to Brent Grimes? He is a top 10 CB when healthy, he just came off an Achilles injury (so his money value goes down) and he's been on the market still after 5 days of FA (Value should go down again) I know we're tight with cap money, but I feel like he could just squeeze in there.

Also speaking of FAs coming off an Achilles injury. Why haven't we worked out a deal with Fred Davis? Whats the hold up? Is it still the cap. Fred had what one interested team (Cleveland?) and hasn't found it as a fit. He wants us and we want him. Lets make a deal Fred. This is getting ridiculous.[/quote]

Love the sig Cult.... Lmfao

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[quote=CultBrennan59;999184]So why haven't we talked to Brent Grimes? He is a top 10 CB when healthy, he just came off an Achilles injury (so his money value goes down) and he's been on the market still after 5 days of FA (Value should go down again) I know we're tight with cap money, but I feel like he could just squeeze in there.

Also speaking of FAs coming off an Achilles injury. Why haven't we worked out a deal with Fred Davis? Whats the hold up? Is it still the cap. Fred had what one interested team (Cleveland?) and hasn't found it as a fit. He wants us and we want him. Lets make a deal Fred. This is getting ridiculous.[/quote]
I hope Fred is not going to sign one of those 1 year deals that takes us right out of the market for him.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;999184][B]So why haven't we talked to Brent Grimes? [/B]He is a top 10 CB when healthy, he just came off an Achilles injury (so his money value goes down) and he's been on the market still after 5 days of FA (Value should go down again) I know we're tight with cap money, but I feel like he could just squeeze in there.

Also speaking of FAs coming off an Achilles injury. Why haven't we worked out a deal with Fred Davis? Whats the hold up? Is it still the cap. Fred had what one interested team (Cleveland?) and hasn't found it as a fit. He wants us and we want him. Lets make a deal Fred. This is getting ridiculous.[/quote]

I think the obvious answer is the cap restriction we have. Even with an injury and lasting this long in FA, he may want too much financially. We also don't know what extenuating circumstances there are about him that we don't know. Maybe his rehab isn't going well. If no one has signed him, including his former team, there may be a valid reason.

IDK what is up with Davis. I'm assuming it's just cap issues. I feel like at this point Davis really doesn't want to sign and go to a place like Cleveland, but doesn't want to take what the Skins are offering. Again all speculation. We may never know. Hope like hell we can resign Davis. That is my #1 priority/wish right now. Then I want D Hall back. And then I want a pony.

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Reunite Cedric Griffin and Michael Huff here in Washington. Bring back Hall, this would bring some needed size in the secondary and they could really be legit if Morris can get these guys motivated.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;999179]Highly unlikely.

First of all. free agency isn't over yet. It is very likely that we'll sign a veteran CB to start opposite Josh Wilson.

Secondly, the situations of Brandon Meriweather and Tanard Jackson (the two projected starting safeties last season) are unknown at this time.

Thirdly, nobody knows if the Skins will even draft two DB's, much less who those players might be and what positions they might play if the Skins draft any of them.

Beyond that, the odds of any 2nd or 3rd or later round DB starting in his rookie year are exttemely low.[/quote]

Number one, plenty of second round DBs end up starting their first year. Secondly, I will bet my next Army paycheck that we have at least one starter from the draft in the secondary, AND that we draft 2, and in my opinion, there is a 99% possibility that they draft MORE than 2 DB's. That is how broken our secondary is.

There will be alot of young competition, and with Merriweather and Crawford growing a bit as a defender, I suspect our pass defense ranking will improve drastically this next year. Never discount the effect that having a contract year Brian Orakpo with a chip on his shoulder will do for your D.