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[quote=Giantone;1196642]Really!!
They both denounce trump but now try to explain away his treacherous behavior . Next we will hear it was " trump misspoke " or "locker room talk" or "alternative facts".[/quote]

Lol G1 is not reading again.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196643]Lol G1 is not reading again.[/quote]
.............and Chico is "spinning".......again.

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I wanted to hit some highlights from that [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/opinions/trump-is-not-evil-just-an-amateur-stanley/index.html"]article[/URL], because it is so on target for me.

[QUOTE]Trump is not a Russian agent, and we have no reason to believe he's being blackmailed; the psychological truth is probably that Trump cannot accept that Moscow played a role in the election victory he is so proud of -- with or without the Trump campaign's knowledge -- and so he prefers to believe that his own nation's agencies are in error.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The Trump administration is perfectly tough on Russia. It has expelled Russian diplomats, attacked Moscow's ally in Syria (the US military also killed hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria in February), raised US defense spending and given arms to Ukraine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]And if Trump's meeting with Putin truly shocks you, I urge you to Google photos of Jimmy Carter meeting the Shah of Iran. Or Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. Both these tyrants were once considered friends or partners with the United States, much as Reagan once described the Contras -- who were accused of kidnap, rape and torture in the Nicaraguan civil war -- as "the moral equal of our founding fathers."
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]When Barack Obama was in charge, we were told that everything he did was a "first." Now that Trump runs things, everything he does is the "worst." And finally, with that Helsinki, Finland, press conference with Vladimir Putin, he seems to have provoked the GOP to join the hyperbole.

Now we know what constitutes a step too far for Republicans. Not banning most trans people from the military nor splitting up families at the border nor cutting taxes for the super rich. No, it's being nice to Russia.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I should just repost the whole article, but I've given the link twice if anyone is so inclined.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196645]I wanted to hit some highlights from that [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/opinions/trump-is-not-evil-just-an-amateur-stanley/index.html"]article[/URL], because it is so on target for me.

Honestly, I should just repost the whole article, but I've given the link twice if anyone is so inclined.[/quote]

.......of course it is ,you're one of them.

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[quote=Giantone;1196646].......of course it is ,you're one of them.[/quote]

Would you kindly answer one of these 2 questions then:

1) What policy or policies has Trump enacted that has presented a softer/weaker stance then Pres. Obama?

or

2) What policy or policies should Trump have enacted that are tougher than our current policy?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196648]Would you kindly answer one of these 2 questions then:

1) What policy or policies has Trump enacted that has presented a softer/weaker stance then Pres. Obama?

or

2) What policy or policies should Trump have enacted that are tougher than our current policy?[/quote]


What do you call it when a sitting President of the United States of America openly backs the leader of an enemy foreign goverment over his own Security and Defense agency's ? Again the cult tries to spin with out admission of their presidents wrong doing.



[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/16/17242484/nikki-haley-trump-russia-sanctions-syria[/url]


[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-sanctions/trump-administration-holds-off-on-new-russia-sanctions-despite-law-idUSKBN1FI2V7[/url]


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/30/the-trump-administrations-weird-explanation-for-withholding-russia-sanctions/?utm_term=.2c6c92487f11[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196651]What do you call it when a sitting President of the United States of America openly backs the leader of an enemy foreign goverment over his own Security and Defense agency's ? Again the cult tries to spin with out admission of their presidents wrong doing.



[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/16/17242484/nikki-haley-trump-russia-sanctions-syria[/url]


[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-sanctions/trump-administration-holds-off-on-new-russia-sanctions-despite-law-idUSKBN1FI2V7[/url]


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/30/the-trump-administrations-weird-explanation-for-withholding-russia-sanctions/?utm_term=.2c6c92487f11[/url][/QUOTE]I really asked a simple question.

[URL]http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-signs-russia-sanctions-bill-1501684663-htmlstory.html[/URL]

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So the latest Russian spy that was arrested happened to be chosen out of a crowd by Trump randomly. What a coincidence. Lol.
Now the piece of shit says that he meant to say “would not” instead of “would” and the GOP and the Trumpers are all “good enough for me”. The amount of Russian nothing that HAS happened with this guy over the last couple years culminating in him sucking off Putin on the grandest of stages yesterday is so fucking obviously wrong that it is disgusting. Please stop with Obama and the left and the bullshit. THE GUY IS FUCKING IN DEEP WITH PUTIN - AND IT IS GOING TO COME OUT.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196652]I really asked a simple question.[/quote]

No, you are trying to control the narrative away from the purpose of the conversation.

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[URL="https://www.apnews.com/7253376c57944826848f7a0bf45282a6/The-Latest:-Trump-says-he-misspoke-on-Russia-meddling"]"No see what I meant to say was"[/URL]

Ohhhh. Ok. Glad he clarified.

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[quote=punch it in;1196654]So the latest Russian spy that was arrested happened to be chosen out of a crowd by Trump randomly. What a coincidence. Lol.
Now the piece of shit says that he meant to say “would not” instead of “would” and the GOP and the Trumpers are all “good enough for me”. The amount of Russian nothing that HAS happened with this guy over the last couple years culminating in him sucking off Putin on the grandest of stages yesterday is so fucking obviously wrong that it is disgusting. Please stop with Obama and the left and the bullshit. THE GUY IS FUCKING IN DEEP WITH PUTIN - AND IT IS GOING TO COME OUT.[/quote]

I hope so but as with the cult members here they will not listen to reason or even admit to his wrong doings. Only what is good for them and trump and fuck America.

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[quote=mooby;1196656][URL="https://www.apnews.com/7253376c57944826848f7a0bf45282a6/The-Latest:-Trump-says-he-misspoke-on-Russia-meddling"]"No see what I meant to say was"[/URL]

Ohhhh. Ok. Glad he clarified.[/quote]



Honest question , think these two would let Obama get away with that?

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Sean Hannity if obama would have given that presser yesterday:

[YT]pjnZO5ZgWE8[/YT]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1196659]Sean Hannity if obama would have given that presser yesterday:



[YT]pjnZO5ZgWE8[/YT][/QUOTE]



Lol. I cannot even imagine.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1196654]So the latest Russian spy that was arrested happened to be chosen out of a crowd by Trump randomly. What a coincidence. Lol.
Now the piece of shit says that he meant to say “would not” instead of “would” and the GOP and the Trumpers are all “good enough for me”. The amount of Russian nothing that HAS happened with this guy over the last couple years culminating in him sucking off Putin on the grandest of stages yesterday is so fucking obviously wrong that it is disgusting. Please stop with Obama and the left and the bullshit. THE GUY IS FUCKING IN DEEP WITH PUTIN - AND IT IS GOING TO COME OUT.[/QUOTE]But still, what US policy has been implemented that benefits Russia? I don't want a president that is in russia's backpocket, but so far i havent heard a response to that question. In fact russia at the un supported stricter sanctions on NK. We killed russian advisors in syria. We moved our israel embassy to jerusalem and russia barely squeaked about it. Putin agreed to strengthen the fight against isis, where before they were tacitly allowing iran to aid them. Maybe putin is in trumps back pocket.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196655]No, you are trying to control the narrative away from the purpose of the conversation.[/QUOTE]If the purpose is to spew hyperbole and vent then yes. If the purpose is to look at rational discussions, no. If you claim that trump is trying to destroy the US you ought to be able to give answers to those questions with ease. But that is so far beyond your capabilities you are only able to regurgitate talking points that have no basis in facts.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1196656][URL="https://www.apnews.com/7253376c57944826848f7a0bf45282a6/The-Latest:-Trump-says-he-misspoke-on-Russia-meddling"]"No see what I meant to say was"[/URL]



Ohhhh. Ok. Glad he clarified.[/QUOTE]


Just a laughable walk back...

This fucking guy

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1196661]But still, what US policy has been implemented that benefits Russia? I don't want a president that is in russia's backpocket, but so far i havent heard a response to that question. In fact russia at the un supported stricter sanctions on NK. We killed russian advisors in syria. We moved our israel embassy to jerusalem and russia barely squeaked about it. Putin agreed to strengthen the fight against isis, where before they were tacitly allowing iran to aid them. Maybe putin is in trumps back pocket.[/QUOTE]



Forget US policy. Putin does not give a fuck about ISIS, Jerusalem, and we didn’t do dick about Syria. He gives a fuck about one thing and one thing only. Revenge on the western world and the EU for the fall of the Soviet Union. His agenda? Watching the POTUS - the leader of the free world - tear apart NATO and our allies while giving Russia legitimacy and a free pass to influence western democracy. It is really that simple man - dont overthink it looking for concrete policies that somehow hurt Russia. It isn’t about that to Putin. It is about a world view. And its all unfolding in front of our faces in a bigly way my man. Putin is grinning from ear to ear right now.

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The question you need to ask is why in the hell is Trump so ready to bend over backwards for this mother fucker? Why the hell does he have to add “and other people” or “some fat guy on a bed” or “other countries “ everytime he is FORCED to say “russia interfered”????? What is in it for him to not point the finger at Russia? I know whats in it for the GOP not to castrate him. They want to be re-elected. But wth is in it for Trump? If that doesn’t make you wonder what the hell this guy is up to than you are either in denial or not able to follow the bouncing ball. And i find it hard to believe that ESPECIALLY after that shit show in Helsinki.

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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/rebuking-trumps-embrace-putin-u-lawmakers-look-punish-161056572.html[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1196664]Just a laughable walk back...

This fucking guy[/quote]

The hilarious part is he walked back his walk back. So essentially he did two 180s and ended up right back where he started.



"Uh, I believe our IC intel.........but it could have been another person."


:saywhat:


It's obvious he was forced to read that statement yesterday. The look on his face said it all. I think his staff and congress put their foot down on that shit. Surprisingly.

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"So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning.

[emoji849]

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/trump-defends-putin-news-conference/index.html[/url]

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[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/europe-plots-last-ditch-trip-to-appease-trump-on-car-tariffs[/url]

literally have to search high and low to find actual news. Looks like Europe will come to the table on Cars and other items. EU bending...just like South Korea did last year.

update:

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-says-us-may-pursue-separate-trade-deal-with-mexico/ar-AAAg2eb?ocid=ientp]Trump says U.S. may pursue separate trade deal with Mexico[/url]

Mexico wants to come to the table. This would be terrible for Canada...because NAFTA could be done, and Nafta helps Canada a ton. But that's what happens when you have an sexual assaulting Socialist running Canada with no clue about Trade. Tic for Tac approach...is a failed approached by Canada when it comes to Tariffs....it does zero damage to our economy.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196677][url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/europe-plots-last-ditch-trip-to-appease-trump-on-car-tariffs[/url]

literally have to search high and low to find actual news. Looks like Europe will come to the table on Cars and other items. EU bending...just like South Korea did last year.

update:

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-says-us-may-pursue-separate-trade-deal-with-mexico/ar-AAAg2eb?ocid=ientp]Trump says U.S. may pursue separate trade deal with Mexico[/url]

Mexico wants to come to the table. This would be terrible for Canada...because NAFTA could be done, and Nafta helps Canada a ton. But that's what happens when you have an sexual assaulting Socialist running Canada with no clue about Trade. Tic for Tac approach...is a failed approached by Canada when it comes to Tariffs....it does zero damage to our economy.[/quote]
Yup , oh except for the employees who will suffer from those tariffs but yeah fuck Canada.

[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/2/17070816/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-businesses[/url]

[url]https://qz.com/1297697/trumps-steel-tariffs-will-cost-the-us-400000-jobs-says-economists-now/[/url]

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-on-canada-europe-mexico-will-hurt-us-jobs-2018-6]Trump steel, aluminum tariffs on Canada, Europe, Mexico will hurt US jobs - Business Insider[/url]


[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-businesses-to-make-their-case-against-china-tariffs-1526216521[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1196675]"So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning.

[emoji849]

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/trump-defends-putin-news-conference/index.html[/url][/quote]

I have to give it to Shepard Smith he was all over trump today!

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[quote=Giantone;1196683]Yup , oh except for the employees who will suffer from those tariffs but yeah fuck Canada.

[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/2/17070816/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-businesses[/url]

[url]https://qz.com/1297697/trumps-steel-tariffs-will-cost-the-us-400000-jobs-says-economists-now/[/url]

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-on-canada-europe-mexico-will-hurt-us-jobs-2018-6]Trump steel, aluminum tariffs on Canada, Europe, Mexico will hurt US jobs - Business Insider[/url]


[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-businesses-to-make-their-case-against-china-tariffs-1526216521[/url][/quote]

So we are glad the strategy is working. Good to know g1.

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You make it sound like there isn't a solution for the Canadian government, and that they must inherently suffer tarriffs. There IS another solution. They could re-work the trade agreements.

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read or don't read

[url]https://www.etftrends.com/etf-strategist-channel/fair-trade-vs-free-trade-vs-trade-war/[/url]

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No surprise here.............

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-white-house-stenographer-speaks-153603353.html[/url]

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Last 7 sources for articles from G1:
Vox
Reuters
Washington Post
Quartz
Business Insider
WSJ
Huffington Post (thru Yahoo).

G1 you should go on a 30 day baptism of fire and listen only to Reason.com(vs Vox), The Washington Times(vs Wash Post), OANN (vs Huff Post), Breitbart (vs Quartz), The Weekly Standard (vs Bus Insider) and Reuters. That way your brain would be balanced out from all the liberal sources you pour through.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196687]read or don't read

[url]https://www.etftrends.com/etf-strategist-channel/fair-trade-vs-free-trade-vs-trade-war/[/url][/quote]

Tic for tac is how they have started...sure they could always come to the table....but saving nafta would be best for them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196689]Last 7 sources for articles from G1:
Vox
Reuters
Washington Post
Quartz
Business Insider
WSJ
Huffington Post (thru Yahoo).

G1 you should go on a 30 day baptism of fire and listen only to Reason.com(vs Vox), The Washington Times(vs Wash Post), OANN (vs Huff Post), Breitbart (vs Quartz), The Weekly Standard (vs Bus Insider) and Reuters. That way your brain would be balanced out from all the liberal sources you pour through.[/quote]


Maybe you should go out into the real world and see just how it works and leave the cult behind . It would open up a whole new world of Reality instead of the fantasy world you live in.You know real facts as oppose to "alternative facts".

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196693]Maybe you should go out into the real world and see just how it works and leave the cult behind . It would open up a whole new world of Reality instead of the fantasy world you live in.You know real facts as oppose to "alternative facts".[/QUOTE]I will spare you my life story but JR would certainly attest to the fact that I've seen my share of highs and lows and live in a very real world situation.

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This thread has gone on for over a year.

I think the answer to the thread title is clearly - its never enough
For trump haters its never enough bashing
For trump supporters its never enough defending

Obviously for the 4 to 6 of us that post repeatedly, its never enough posting. :(

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1196639]If the claim is that he is under Putins thunb, and that press conference sure as hell looked like that, what policies would you see changed from what is in place. We are certainly more aggressively anti Russia in Ukraine where we are arming Ukraine with weapons that they didnt have before. In Syria we are far more aggressive against Assad's chemical weapons regardless of Russian advisors, we have increased sanctions in general. We have reinstated iranian sanctions.

What policies reflect putins thumb?[/QUOTE]



It’s simple, his talk should match his actions. Because it doesn’t red flags are raised.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196697]It’s simple, his talk should match his actions. Because it doesn’t red flags are raised.[/QUOTE]The problem is Trump isnt Reagan, he just thinks he is. You really can only judge him by his actions, because he was clearly born with 2 silver feet to put in his mouth.

I do agree though, in the sense that most of the issues are because he always has to speak and add in his one line troll jab. Its his way of trying to control the narrative, and it fails a lot.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196645]I wanted to hit some highlights from that [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/opinions/trump-is-not-evil-just-an-amateur-stanley/index.html"]article[/URL], because it is so on target for me.

Trump is not a Russian agent, and we have no reason to believe he's being blackmailed; the psychological truth is probably that [B]Trump cannot accept that Moscow played a role in the election victory he is so proud of[/B] -- with or without the Trump campaign's knowledge -- and so he prefers to believe that his own nation's agencies are in error. Quote:
The Trump administration is perfectly tough on Russia. It has expelled Russian diplomats, attacked Moscow's ally in Syria (the US military also killed hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria in February), raised US defense spending and given arms to Ukraine.
Quote:
And if Trump's meeting with Putin truly shocks you, I urge you to Google photos of Jimmy Carter meeting the Shah of Iran. Or Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. Both these tyrants were once considered friends or partners with the United States, much as Reagan once described the Contras -- who were accused of kidnap, rape and torture in the Nicaraguan civil war -- as "the moral equal of our founding fathers."
Quote:
When Barack Obama was in charge, we were told that everything he did was a "first." Now that Trump runs things, everything he does is the "worst." And finally, with that Helsinki, Finland, press conference with Vladimir Putin, he seems to have provoked the GOP to join the hyperbole.

[B]Now we know what constitutes a step too far for Republicans. Not banning most trans people from the military nor splitting up families at the border nor cutting taxes for the super rich. No, it's being nice to Russia.[/B]







Honestly, I should just repost the whole article, but I've given the link twice if anyone is so inclined.[/quote]

Apologies for passing this over, I think the bolded line at the top is a plausible scenario. Trump doesn't seem like the type to give anyone else any credit for any of his victories.
And the last paragraph gave me a good laugh. There's so many things I could harp on Republicans for, but this makes a good point. The one bone I have to pick is he's not just being nice to Russia, he's hanging out with one of our enemies several days after we brought indictments against 12 people who were acting under his command. The timing couldn't be worse. And it's his continued refusal to say Russia means us no harm after we brought charges alleging they meant to cause us harm (and are probably still doing so to this day).

Also if you want to switch gears we can discuss the role Maria Butina played/facilitated in Russian money laundering via the NRA. Hard to see the gov't bringing charges if they didn't have evidence to back up their case. Also serious question for you: Do you think the NRA has the moral fortitude to not take donations/work with any country willing to help the cause? Even if that country was our enemy and was still doing everything possible to undermine our position?

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[QUOTE=mooby;1196700]Apologies for passing this over, I think the bolded line at the top is a plausible scenario. Trump doesn't seem like the type to give anyone else any credit for any of his victories.
And the last paragraph gave me a good laugh. There's so many things I could harp on Republicans for, but this makes a good point. The one bone I have to pick is he's not just being nice to Russia, he's hanging out with one of our enemies several days after we brought indictments against 12 people who were acting under his command. The timing couldn't be worse. And it's his continued refusal to say Russia means us no harm after we brought charges alleging they meant to cause us harm (and are probably still doing so to this day).

Also if you want to switch gears we can discuss the role Maria Butina played/facilitated in Russian money laundering via the NRA. Hard to see the gov't bringing charges if they didn't have evidence to back up their case. Also serious question for you: Do you think the NRA has the moral fortitude to not take donations/work with any country willing to help the cause? Even if that country was our enemy and was still doing everything possible to undermine our position?[/QUOTE]

I don't know much about the NRA. I would like to hope they would have the moral fortitude, but I tend to see groups that live and die around politics as money grubbers of the worst sort, and if they can maintain a semblance of deniability they probably would take money from anyone thats willing to give it to them.

One thing I think we have seen, and the depths of it is pretty amazing, is how deep Russia was willing to go to sow discord in our political environment. They were funnelling money and trolls to both sides simply to polarize the country, and it was/is a pretty effective strategy. But I do think the world has always underestimated how united this country can become if the circumstances of the international arena require it. Even as polarized as we are, our ability to function as a nation-state is pretty amazing when you think about it. With a near 50/50 split most european countries would have disbanded their parliaments and been forced into political chaos as the parties held continual referendums and alliances shifted under foot.

Our federal/local structure and our constitution allows us to disagree vehemently, yet have a functioning government with no real hint of collapse or uprising. At worst we get congressional inaction and paralysis, which isn't necessarily the worst thing.

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[quote=mooby;1196700]...The one bone I have to pick is he's not just being nice to Russia, he's hanging out with one of our enemies several days after we brought indictments against 12 people who were acting under his command. The timing couldn't be worse. And it's his continued refusal to say Russia means us no harm after we brought charges alleging they meant to cause us harm (and are probably still doing so to this day).

...[/quote]

I agree that the timing was terrible. In retrospect, while I think the indictment timing was politically motivated, Trump could have done a YUGE step in putting all of this to bed by taking the step of cancelling the summit with Russia after they were announced. It would have shown tacit support for the intelligence agencies and looked "tough" against Russia.

That said, the 25 indictments against Russian operatives and agents are truly laughable. Could you imagine how many spies/kgb undercover agents we could have indicted during the cold war? I know people think that us Trumpeteers are overblowing the partisan nature of the ongoing investigations, but it's really hard to imagine, that when as many top FBI/DOJ personnel have been fired/reassigned as trump associates have been indicted, that there isn't a bias at play.

One last thing, and I know this is also a Trumpeteer talking point, but everyone does realize that these Russian infiltrations into the Democratic servers took place under Pres Obama's watch, right? Does it absolve the Russians, no not at all, but IF they had the knowledge that these foreign agents were working overtime, and all indications are that they did, then I would have thought that would have been pretty important to bring up in the full brief daily briefings Clinton and Trump received, AND pretty important for the US political class to resolve a way to bring to the US citizens in a unified way, instead of the purely partisan approach BOTH sides took. Just points to more failures of our political upper echelons class.

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This WH just can’t get out of its own way

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/07/19/trump-putin-conversation-about-russian-interrogation-of-u-s-diplomat-prompts-outrage-astonishment/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3be6485d3605[/url]