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[quote=MTK;1195820][url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/18/zach-brown-redskins-revenge-jets-terrelle-pryor/[/url][/quote]

Wow! One guy I wouldn’t want to piss off either. Pryor must have been a total shit head.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195822]Wow! One guy I wouldn’t want to piss off either. Pryor must have been a total shit head.[/quote]

Are we talking about football again? Sweet!!

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Glad that the team is working/trying things to limit injuries...

[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/18/jay-gruden-changing-training-camp-practices-combat-injuries/[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1195825]Glad that the team is working/trying things to limit injuries...

[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/18/jay-gruden-changing-training-camp-practices-combat-injuries/[/url][/quote]

Reading this article surprised me on one point: I really thought the scientific knowledge in the NFL was more advanced than that.

[quote]I kind of have been doing a little research here and I think we practice in the morning, we are off the field around noon and they get a nice lunch. … So, I think to give that full time for recovery, so they can drink a lot of fluids and take care of their bodies is important.[/quote]

No wonder why Pats players are willing to work with TB's personal trainer, if "classical" NFL coaches still are "[B]kind of doing a little research[/B]" on these matters, then having access to advanced nutritional and body care knowledge can give a real competitive edge !

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From PFF, nice note on Roullier

A few offensive lines were held back by injuries in 2017, but none were more injury-riddled than the Redskins, who had 12 different players play at least 50 pass-block snaps throughout the season. All told, the Redskins surrendered 181 pressures on 606 passing plays, including 35 QB hits, the fifth-most among offensive lines. There were bright spots, however, as left tackle Trent Williams, despite playing with an injury, proved once again that he’s one of the best offensive tackles in football by being the only left tackle in the league to register 350 pass-block snaps without allowing a sack. The Redskins also got a nice rookie season from center Chase Roullier, who ended the campaign with a pass-blocking efficiency of 98.4, the highest rating recorded by a rookie center since Nick Mangold (99.4) in 2006. If they can stay healthy, the Redskins have the making of one of the better offensive lines in football as we look ahead to 2018.

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[quote=MTK;1195829]From PFF, nice note on Roullier

A few offensive lines were held back by injuries in 2017, but none were more injury-riddled than the Redskins, who had 12 different players play at least 50 pass-block snaps throughout the season. All told, the Redskins surrendered 181 pressures on 606 passing plays, including 35 QB hits, the fifth-most among offensive lines. There were bright spots, however, as left tackle Trent Williams, despite playing with an injury, proved once again that he’s one of the best offensive tackles in football by being the only left tackle in the league to register 350 pass-block snaps without allowing a sack. The Redskins also got a nice rookie season from center Chase Roullier, who ended the campaign with a pass-blocking efficiency of 98.4, the highest rating recorded by a rookie center since Nick Mangold (99.4) in 2006. If they can stay healthy, the Redskins have the making of one of the better offensive lines in football as we look ahead to 2018.[/quote]

We're blessed to have Trent Williams. Before him, Chris Samuels. I really hope we can keep the offensive line intact this year.

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[quote=MTK;1195829]From PFF, nice note on Roullier

A few offensive lines were held back by injuries in 2017, but none were more injury-riddled than the Redskins, who had 12 different players play at least 50 pass-block snaps throughout the season. All told, the Redskins surrendered 181 pressures on 606 passing plays, including 35 QB hits, the fifth-most among offensive lines. There were bright spots, however, as left tackle Trent Williams, despite playing with an injury, proved once again that he’s one of the best offensive tackles in football by being the only left tackle in the league to register 350 pass-block snaps without allowing a sack. The Redskins also got a nice rookie season from center Chase Roullier, who ended the campaign with a pass-blocking efficiency of 98.4, the highest rating recorded by a rookie center since Nick Mangold (99.4) in 2006. If they can stay healthy, the Redskins have the making of one of the better offensive lines in football as we look ahead to 2018.[/quote]


Chase has a chance to be a solid lineman for a while, we will see how he does this yr. I spoke with one of the Analyst for the Skins at PFF (I am trying to get to cover them too) and he actually said Brandon graded poorly in pass blocking, I'd have to go watch his snaps but I guess its possible.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195831]Chase has a chance to be a solid lineman for a while, we will see how he does this yr. I spoke with one of the Analyst for the Skins at PFF (I am trying to get to cover them too) and he actually said Brandon graded poorly in pass blocking, I'd have to go watch his snaps but I guess its possible.[/quote]

Brandon started slow...but finished strong pass blocking. I thought it was noticeable.

Its gonna be big if Chase can step up...his ability could push the Oline from borderline good to great.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195832]Brandon started slow...but finished strong pass blocking. I thought it was noticeable.

Its gonna be big if Chase can step up...his ability could push the Oline from borderline good to great.[/quote]

I agree, he has the potential to be as good as Z Martin

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[quote=Chico23231;1195832]Brandon started slow...but finished strong pass blocking. I thought it was noticeable.

Its gonna be big if Chase can step up...his ability could push the Oline from borderline good to great.[/quote]

I think our weakness is still left guard. That will be the biggest question mark for the Redskins.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2018/06/19/redskins-coach-bill-callahan-on-lauvao-i-love-him-hes-a-warrior/?utm_term=.611a95182442[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1195855][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2018/06/19/redskins-coach-bill-callahan-on-lauvao-i-love-him-hes-a-warrior/?utm_term=.611a95182442[/url][/quote]

What's a coach gonna say...

Thanks for the incognito info for post articles

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Interesting stuff here from PFF on Inside LB play last year. Mason Foster was rated as the most productive pass rusher from the Inside LB spot. Martrell Spaight was the most efficient run stopper in the league from this spot. And Zach Vigil was 3rd best in passer rating allowed when targeted.

I think all of those things make sense - Spaight is know as a thumper and Vigil did surprisingly well in coverage last year, he acquitted himself well.

The problem is Spaight may be good against the run but he's a disaster in coverage, and Vigil may have defended the pass well but not well enough to avoid being heavily targeted by QBs.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ilb-spotlight-top-5-in-pff-sig-stats?utm_content=bufferc0ac0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1195855][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2018/06/19/redskins-coach-bill-callahan-on-lauvao-i-love-him-hes-a-warrior/?utm_term=.611a95182442[/url][/quote]

I was just coming on to log this same story, different site. Shawn getting some love.

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[quote=Schneed10;1195865]Interesting stuff here from PFF on Inside LB play last year. Mason Foster was rated as the most productive pass rusher from the Inside LB spot. Martrell Spaight was the most efficient run stopper in the league from this spot. And Zach Vigil was 3rd best in passer rating allowed when targeted.

I think all of those things make sense - Spaight is know as a thumper and Vigil did surprisingly well in coverage last year, he acquitted himself well.

The problem is Spaight may be good against the run but he's a disaster in coverage, and Vigil may have defended the pass well but not well enough to avoid being heavily targeted by QBs.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ilb-spotlight-top-5-in-pff-sig-stats?utm_content=bufferc0ac0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl[/url][/quote]

I'm really hesitant to read too much into the Spaight ranking against the run without more information about where the stops occurred.

Anecdotally, he always was a step behind.

I believe his slow read and reaction stood out more in coverage because you can clearly see the space between where he was compared to where he should be.

I think a SLIGHTLY (not glaring) slow read and reaction by a defender, especially a linebacker can be masked a bit because he usually has some distance when he begins to close on the ball.

When Brown and Foster were healthy, they were making stops for losses and only slight gains. It seems like Spaight was making his sure handed tackles after the player had already gained yardage. (i'm sure injuries to the DLine contributed to this) Spaight just always seemed a step behind to me.

The coaches saw something they didn't like at the end of the year. Despite all the injuries, he didn't get the playing time a true 2nd stringer should have gotten.

I think he is on the roster bubble this year and struggles to make the team.

Thoughts?

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I think Spaight's greatest liability is that he lacks the speed and quickness to start at the pro level. At his combine, he only ran a 4.88 forty and he had the slowest 3-Cone time in the LB group. I admire him because, although he lacks the some of the athletic gifts others at the pro level have been given, he has worked and studied very hard to earn his place on an NFL roster. Nevertheless, it looks like he may never be a starter because of his relative lack of speed and quickness and, as a reserve, he'll always be fighting for a roster spot over other players who are more athletic than himself.

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Yeah as really despite having the lack of speed and quickness needed. He will always play the backup role unfortunately.

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[quote=Schneed10;1195865]Interesting stuff here from PFF on Inside LB play last year. Mason Foster was rated as the most productive pass rusher from the Inside LB spot. Martrell Spaight was the most efficient run stopper in the league from this spot. And Zach Vigil was 3rd best in passer rating allowed when targeted.

I think all of those things make sense - Spaight is know as a thumper and Vigil did surprisingly well in coverage last year, he acquitted himself well.

The problem is Spaight may be good against the run but he's a disaster in coverage, and Vigil may have defended the pass well but not well enough to avoid being heavily targeted by QBs.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ilb-spotlight-top-5-in-pff-sig-stats?utm_content=bufferc0ac0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl[/url][/quote]

I do think we have a really solid ILB squad:

-Brown is a beast, if he can fix his coverage flukes (and I think he has the skill to do so), he can be a really great player

-I've said times and times again I think Foster is underrated, he's a true all around LB, more than decent coverage guy, solid tackler, good blitzer, [I]tough mofo[/I]... love this player !

-Vigil played well last season, I'd be really curious to see what he can do [U]behind a healthy and efficient DL[/U] !

-I respect Spaight because he's a good tackler, but that's about it, so far the game just seems to be a bit too fast for him (wether it's physical skill or reading plays...).

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1195886]I do think we have a really solid ILB squad:

-Brown is a beast, if he can fix his coverage flukes (and I think he has the skill to do so), he can be a really great player

-I've said times and times again I think Foster is underrated, he's a true all around LB, more than decent coverage guy, solid tackler, good blitzer, [I]tough mofo[/I]... love this player !

-Vigil played well last season, I'd be really curious to see what he can do [U]behind a healthy and efficient DL[/U] !

-I respect Spaight because he's a good tackler, but that's about it, so far the game just seems to be a bit too fast for him (wether it's physical skill or reading plays...).[/quote]

I think the ILB position will be a problem this year.

Brown is awesome against the run. He isn't very good in coverage but I don't care, he needs to be going after the ball carrier at all times.

Foster is coming back from a shoulder injury that put him on IR last year.
It's risky banking on him playing 16 games this year so we need backups.

I don't agree with what has been said about Spaight, Him and Brown are the only linebackers that made plays in the backfield. He has good speed and is aggressive. Now his angles to the ball carrier suck. he is too aggressive at time. He is a ST coverage guy and a last resort backup.

Vigil will be coaching HS football in September but will be back around week8 when players start falling apart..

Buchanon will be our backup ILB and he is coming off an ACL injury, Yikes.

We really need Foster and Nicholson to stay healthy.

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Don’t forget about Harvey-Clemons...

Let Darwinism take place for the depth ILB

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Gonna leave this here,

Q Dunbar will be a pro bowler next season

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195903]Gonna leave this here,

Q Dunbar will be a pro bowler next season[/quote]

I follow QD on social media, he is going to be broke while still in the nfl.

He spends like he has a $100m guaranteed contract.

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[quote=jamf;1195895]I think the ILB position will be a problem this year.

Brown is awesome against the run. He isn't very good in coverage but I don't care, he needs to be going after the ball carrier at all times.

Foster is coming back from a shoulder injury that put him on IR last year.
It's risky banking on him playing 16 games this year so we need backups.

I don't agree with what has been said about Spaight, Him and Brown are the only linebackers that made plays in the backfield. He has good speed and is aggressive. Now his angles to the ball carrier suck. he is too aggressive at time. He is a ST coverage guy and a last resort backup.

Vigil will be coaching HS football in September but will be back around week8 when players start falling apart..

Buchanon will be our backup ILB and he is coming off an ACL injury, Yikes.

[B]We really need Foster and Nicholson to stay healthy[/B].[/quote]

We agree on the last part.

But I maintain that Vigil is a real solid back up and will do the job when asked, he has very decent physical skills and could be helped by good DL play.

As for Foster, shoulders are a fragile articulation, but are fixed well. I dislocated mines 11 times (8 and 3) and have had absolutely no issue after my 2 surgeries, I came back stronger and more confident than before, started Boxing. I know a lot of guys that had the same surgery, including football players... and [U]we didn't have access to the bests of bests (surgeons, rehab facilities etc...) like Foster does[/U].
Nothing to be worried about yet.

As Chico said, don't forget about Josh "Hybrid" Harvey-Clemons, and 6th rounder Shaun Dion Hamilton whom Cooley thought pretty highly of in his breakdown.

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[quote=jamf;1195895]I think the ILB position will be a problem this year.

Brown is awesome against the run. He isn't very good in coverage but I don't care, he needs to be going after the ball carrier at all times.

Foster is coming back from a shoulder injury that put him on IR last year.
It's risky banking on him playing 16 games this year so we need backups.

I don't agree with what has been said about Spaight, Him and Brown are the only linebackers that made plays in the backfield. [B]He has good speed [/B]and is aggressive. Now his angles to the ball carrier suck. he is too aggressive at time. He is a ST coverage guy and a last resort backup.

Vigil will be coaching HS football in September but will be back around week8 when players start falling apart..

Buchanon will be our backup ILB and he is coming off an ACL injury, Yikes.

We really need Foster and Nicholson to stay healthy.[/quote]

Huh? Spaight does [U]not[/U] have good speed. Speed is not a matter of opinion. It is a measurable fact. The fact is that Spaight is slow for an NFL LB. He has been timed consistently at between 4.80 and 4.88 in the forty.

Vigil did a good job for us last season. I think he has a shot at making the season opening roster.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1195905]We agree on the last part.

But I maintain that Vigil is a real solid back up and will do the job when asked, he has very decent physical skills and could be helped by good DL play.

As for Foster, shoulders are a fragile articulation, but are fixed well. I dislocated mines 11 times (8 and 3) and have had absolutely no issue after my 2 surgeries, I came back stronger and more confident than before, started Boxing. I know a lot of guys that had the same surgery, including football players... and [U]we didn't have access to the bests of bests (surgeons, rehab facilities etc...) like Foster does[/U].
Nothing to be worried about yet.

As Chico said, don't forget about [B]Josh "Hybrid" Harvey-Clemons[/B], and 6th rounder Shaun Dion Hamilton whom Cooley thought pretty highly of in his breakdown.[/quote]

This is the guy they envision as a sub package ...trying to play him as the Browns replacement against the pass. Harvey-Clemons is one to watch.

Because of Hamilton injury history, they might just bring him along, not show too much and stash on practice squad. Really just depends on his Health.

IMO, its gonna be Virgil vs Spaight for one spot, unless Harvey-Clemons completely shits the bed preseason.

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[quote=jamf;1195904]I follow QD on social media, he is going to be broke while still in the nfl.

He spends like he has a $100m guaranteed contract.[/quote]

That is most athletes lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1195910]This is the guy they envision as a sub package ...trying to play him as the Browns replacement against the pass. Harvey-Clemons is one to watch.[/quote]

Agree. H-C was 217 lbs when drafted. He's now listed at 230 lbs, so he's less of a tweener now. He also has height and length to go with 35" arms and huge hands.

If he's ready to play more, he could definitely make passes harder to complete.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1195908]Huh? Spaight does [U]not[/U] have good speed. Speed is not a matter of opinion. It is a measurable fact. The fact is that Spaight is slow for an NFL LB. He has been timed consistently at between 4.80 and [B]4.88 in the forty[/B].

Vigil did a good job for us last season. I think he has a shot at making the season opening roster.[/quote]

Yop, in comparison Zach Vigil (6'2" 240) ran a 4,67 at his combine. That's faster than Foster (4,75) who makes plays in the backfield and is a good cover LB.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/36718/crowder-smith-should-form-productive-combination-for-redskins]Jamison Crowder, Alex Smith should be productive for Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Good read. Looking for crowder to bounce back

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[quote=Chico23231;1195943][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/36718/crowder-smith-should-form-productive-combination-for-redskins]Jamison Crowder, Alex Smith should be productive for Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Good read. Looking for crowder to bounce back[/quote]

One of the top slot guys in the league, has his issues with PR but when it comes to #3 WR , I wouldn't take many above him. Alex will use him a ton, the guy that I see getting the least amount of targets is PRich

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195952]One of the top slot guys in the league, has his issues with PR but when it comes to #3 WR , I wouldn't take many above him. Alex will use him a ton, [B]the guy that I see getting the least amount of targets is PRich[/B][/quote]

Really? I think he'll be a 1,000 yard receiver this year.

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[quote=metalskins;1195954]Really? I think he'll be a 1,000 yard receiver this year.[/quote]

He will lead us in deep targets for sure but overall I would expect Doc and Crowder to get the bulk. V Davis / Reed will have huge impacts too, and of course CT.

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[quote=metalskins;1195954]Really? I think he'll be a 1,000 yard receiver this year.[/quote]

I agree with skinsfan, I don't see Richardson touching 1k yard this season although I'm certain he will play a role in expanding our offense, which he should considering the contract he got from us.

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i'll go ahead and take a wait and see on PR - hope for the best

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P Rich had 8 drops on 52 catchable passes last yr, 8th worst drop % in the league. He's got to get better at that as well.

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The key stat though is that Richardson had only 52 catchable balls thrown at him. You have to ask why - Doug Baldwin was their best WR so of course he draws the most but that Seattle offensive line was dismal. Wilson was running for his life on so, so many plays. And when speed is your #1 asset like it is for Richardson, it's just not very often that Wilson can find you.

Richardson's QB this year will be protected by stud Ts guarding the edges plus Scherff up the middle. I'm confident in Roullier too.

Even if Richardson continues to drop balls at the same % rate, he'll have more targets just by virtue of the fact that Smith will be protected well enough.

I don't know about 1000 yards but I definitely see him coming through with better numbers than he had in Seattle. His real value is the deep threat combined with the strong protection - defenses will be forced to play him deep leaving 7 man fronts for Guice.

We finally have a runner than can make a defense pay for consistent 7 man fronts. If Guice is 4.5 yards per carry like I think he'll be, then Paul Richardson is one of the first guys he'll have to thank for it.

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[quote=Schneed10;1195960]The key stat though is that Richardson had only 52 catchable balls thrown at him. You have to ask why - Doug Baldwin was their best WR so of course he draws the most but that [B]Seattle offensive line was dismal. Wilson was running for his life on so, so many plays.[/B] And when speed is your #1 asset like it is for Richardson, it's just not very often that Wilson can find you.

Richardson's QB this year will be protected by stud Ts guarding the edges plus Scherff up the middle. I'm confident in Roullier too.

Even if Richardson continues to drop balls at the same % rate, he'll have more targets just by virtue of the fact that Smith will be protected well enough.

I don't know about 1000 yards but I definitely see him coming through with better numbers than he had in Seattle. His real value is the deep threat combined with the strong protection - defenses will be forced to play him deep leaving 7 man fronts for Guice.

We finally have a runner than can make a defense pay for consistent 7 man fronts. If Guice is 4.5 yards per carry like I think he'll be, then Paul Richardson is one of the first guys he'll have to thank for it.[/quote]

Agreed 100%.
Like I said, watching All 22 version of Hawks game, it feels like PR would've gotten more than a 1000 yards had Wilson been better protected! He was [I]open so many times[/I] but Russell just couldn't throw his way... finding a check down was already a miracle.

I think Richardson will have a really good season for us. He had [U]703 yards with virtually no OL[/U]...

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A supplemental draft safety the Redskins have shown interest in. The draft is July 11th.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000938339/article/msu-db-brandon-bryant-worked-out-for-14-teams-monday]MSU DB Brandon Bryant worked out for 14 teams Monday - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1195968]A supplemental draft safety the Redskins have shown interest in. The draft is July 11th.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000938339/article/msu-db-brandon-bryant-worked-out-for-14-teams-monday]MSU DB Brandon Bryant worked out for 14 teams Monday - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

I was going to post this news. Anyone familiar with those players in the supplemental draft? I don't know anything about those players..

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[quote=Schneed10;1195960]The key stat though is that Richardson had only 52 catchable balls thrown at him. You have to ask why - Doug Baldwin was their best WR so of course he draws the most but that Seattle offensive line was dismal. Wilson was running for his life on so, so many plays. And when speed is your #1 asset like it is for Richardson, it's just not very often that Wilson can find you.

Richardson's QB this year will be protected by stud Ts guarding the edges plus Scherff up the middle. I'm confident in Roullier too.

Even if Richardson continues to drop balls at the same % rate, he'll have more targets just by virtue of the fact that Smith will be protected well enough.

I don't know about 1000 yards but I definitely see him coming through with better numbers than he had in Seattle. His real value is the deep threat combined with the strong protection - defenses will be forced to play him deep leaving 7 man fronts for Guice.

We finally have a runner than can make a defense pay for consistent 7 man fronts. If Guice is 4.5 yards per carry like I think he'll be, then Paul Richardson is one of the first guys he'll have to thank for it.[/quote]


Great points, we do have damn good Tackles. (well 1 is the goat) Wilson faced more pressure last season than any QB, I just don't know if PRich is anything more than a 1 trick pony. He hasn't really had a chance to show that yet so we will see. I think Josh will have the biggest impact at WR in the RZ for sure and for possession balls. Guice and CT will get a big workload too so I just don't see PR getting more than 4 catches a game

Speaking of WR's

[url=http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=23906941]Is Dez to Redskins a good move? - ESPN Video[/url]