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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1353041]Why is EB calling passes on 4th and 1 ?[/quote]

because he is an idiot

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[quote=davy;1353086]Admit it, you're wife left you for a guy called Sam, right?[/quote]

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Terry had 11 targets today. He can’t get open guys. We have to realize that now. He’s not a great route runner he’s just fast. Against fast DBs he’s not as effective


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353099]Terry had 11 targets today. He can’t get open guys. We have to realize that now. He’s not a great route runner he’s just fast. Against fast DBs he’s not as effective


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He all of a sudden "can't get open" is crock of sh*t. I think the team is in a poor scheme. Not to mention, Howell is usually running for his life and isn't regularly going through progressions.

I bet McLaurin takes off again next season.

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Howell definitely has to run for his life almost every fucking play. It’s so sickening


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You really can’t judge Howell, our wr’s, our backs or EB with this train wreck oline. They allow for absolutely nothing to develop. It is priority number one.

Our entire defense outside of Payne is priority number 2.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1353103]He all of a sudden "can't get open" is crock of sh*t. I think the team is in a poor scheme. Not to mention, Howell is usually running for his life and isn't regularly going through progressions.

I bet McLaurin takes them off again next season.[/quote]

I agree. I was looking at Terry’s scores in RTM in getting open he had one very successful year 2019. Every other year his score is average and about the same. He is actually scoring higher this year than in 2021. We just view him as not getting open but he hasn’t since RR took over.

[url]https://espnanalytics.com/rtm/[/url]

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It's EB's job to help get him open. Put him in motion more. Line him up in different spots.

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Look at the analytics he has never really gotten open except when Jay was here. Where Terry excels is in his catch rate. Where he is really struggling this year is YAC that is on EBs scheme for sure

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[quote=jamf;1353085]Love the commitment fellas.
You’re dazzled by a guy who can’t get the ball down field and continues to lack any accuracy.

EB needs to try to save his job… I’m not so sure Sam Hamster starts next week. You heard it from me first![/quote]


A interesting nugget from Twitter:


[quote]Sam Howell is now on pace for 5,044 total yards and 30 touchdowns (and 18 INTs). Also while having a 66.7 comp% [/quote]

Tell me more about this lack of any accuracy.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1353116]Look at the analytics he has never really gotten open except when Jay was here. Where Terry excels is in his catch rate. Where he is really struggling this year is YAC that is on EBs scheme for sure[/quote]

This is what great OCs do. They adjust their scheme/plays to the people they have to work with. He should know that there isn't Travis Kelce or Tyreek Hill on the Commanders. We don't have that explosive speed guy that his offense needs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1353122]This is what great OCs do. They adjust their scheme/plays to the people they have to work with. He should know that there isn't Travis Kelce or Tyreek Hill on the Commanders. We don't have that explosive speed guy that his offense needs.[/quote]

Which is mind-boggling because Dotson was supposed to be that guy. Small, skinny D-Jax type. I remember when we drafted him and all we heard was how he carries the ball around everywhere so he never drops passes.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1353120]A interesting nugget from Twitter:




Tell me more about this lack of any accuracy.[/quote]

That's a WAYYYYYY Better season than any of us ever imagined Sam having. I'll be the first to admit, I never thought he'd be a QB1. Now he has proven that he can be. Tony Romo said it as well, no need to go draft a QB now unless the new HC wants Caleb Williams or Maye.

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[quote=punch it in;1353107]You really can’t judge Howell, our wr’s, our backs or EB with this train wreck oline. They allow for absolutely nothing to develop. It is priority number one.

Our entire defense outside of Payne is priority number 2.[/quote]

On one series Sam got teh snap and literally got hit right away due to Leno's sorry ass. He's sooo bad

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[quote=NC_Skins;1353122]This is what great OCs do. They adjust their scheme/plays to the people they have to work with. He should know that there isn't Travis Kelce or Tyreek Hill on the Commanders. We don't have that explosive speed guy that his offense needs.[/quote]

The analytics remove all variables other than the receiver themselves. I am not sure what it is but something is going on with Terry. Not excusing EB’s play calling it has been awful but his YAC score is way down from previous seasons

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1353162]The analytics remove all variables other than the receiver themselves. I am not sure what it is but something is going on with Terry. Not excusing EB’s play calling it has been awful but his YAC score is way down from previous seasons[/quote]

Wonder if that turf toe injury is lingering from preseason.

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If McLaurin was going to have a down year, then this is the year to have it. This was always going to be a throw-away season. Might as well just sit him for the rest of the season if he's bothered at all by it.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1353173]If McLaurin was going to have a down year, then this is the year to have it. This was always going to be a throw-away season. Might as well just sit him for the rest of the season if he's bothered at all by it.[/quote]


He'll end up with at least 920 yards at the rate he's going.....not bad at all.....he still makes plays and he still scares defenses.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353144]That's a WAYYYYYY Better season than any of us ever imagined Sam having. I'll be the first to admit, I never thought he'd be a QB1. Now he has proven that he can be. Tony Romo said it as well, no need to go draft a QB now unless the new HC wants Caleb Williams or Maye.[/quote]

I am not going to dwell too much on Sam's future here. If there is a new FO this off season and they decide to draft a QB I am certain we could trade Sam for 2nd, maybe even a 1st the way he is playing. Either way it is a win.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1353260]I am not going to dwell too much on Sam's future here. If there is a new FO this off season and they decide to draft a QB I am certain we could trade Sam for 2nd, maybe even a 1st the way he is playing. Either way it is a win.[/QUOTE]


If they draft one of those guys it better become a camp battle. You can trade one of them next year. Do not get rid of Sam and go with an unknown.

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That’s fine but if Sam loses out to a rookie you lose draft capital.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1353260]I am not going to dwell too much on Sam's future here. If there is a new FO this off season and they decide to draft a QB I am certain we could trade Sam for 2nd, maybe even a 1st the way he is playing. Either way it is a win.[/quote]

No way I’d move a young quarterback that’s shown a lot of advanced passing skills like Sam has done in his first year of starting. While I’m good with GM making a call on drafting another QB, in same breath I’m not moving Sam. That would be really dumb.

Like it or not, Sam has played too damn well just to give up on his development now. The value of having a second quality QB on the team is way underrated.

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If this team gives up on Howell after literally carrying these sorry ass lineman, it would be one of the worst moves Harris could make. The fans would go crazy too. Sam has become a fan favorite and rightfully so. Dude lays it all on the line every game.


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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1353264]That’s fine but if Sam loses out to a rookie you lose draft capital.[/QUOTE]


Not if that rookie kicks ass. Then we just have two good young quarterbacks.

We draft say Williams who beats out Sam. Sam would be worth the same thing he is now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1353268]No way I’d move a young quarterback that’s shown a lot of advanced passing skills like Sam has done in his first year of starting. While I’m good with GM making a call on drafting another QB, in same breath I’m not moving Sam. That would be really dumb.

Like it or not, Sam has played too damn well just to give up on his development now. The value of having a second quality QB on the team is way underrated.[/quote]

This is how I feel. I have not problem drafting a QB but I'm not taking anyone in the first round. 4th round perhaps.

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Since 2000 there has been 69 QBs taken in first round .
17 were #1 overall pick (the year is listed before name)
01-Vick,02-Carr,03-Palmer,04-E Manning,05-A smith,07-Russell,09-Stafford,10-Bradford,11-Newton,12-Luck,15-Winston,16-Goff,18-Mayfield,19-Murray,20-Burrow,21-Lawrence,23-Young
Out of those picks there is only one sure fire Bust ( Russell) at least 10 elite level and the rest very solid ..

Now it gets interesting.. 6 were number 2 overall picks
12-R Griffin,15-Mariota,16-Wentz,17-Trubisky,21-Z Wilson,23-Cj Stroud …Other than Stroud that is a huge drop off in talent

6 were pick#3
02-Harrington,06-V Young,08-M Ryan,14-Bortles,18-Darnold,21-Lance … One very solid in Ryan
2 were pick#4
04-Rivers,23-Richardson
2 were pick #5
09-Sanchez,20-Tua
2/#6 19-Jones,20-Herbert
2/#7 03-Leftwich,18-J Allen
2/#8 11-locker,12-Tannehill
0/#9
4/#10 06-Leinart ,11-Gabbert,17-Mahomes,18-Rosen
3/#11 04-Big Ben,06-Cutler,21-Fields
2/#12 11-Ponder,17-Watson
0/13
0/14
2/15 19-Haskins,21-M jones
1/16 13-Manual
1/17 09-Freeman
2/18 00-Pennington,08-Flacco
1/19 03-Boller
1/20 22-Pickett
0/21
5/22 03-Grossman,04-Lossman,07-Quinn,14- Manziel,12-Weeden
0/23
1/24 05-A Rogers
2/25 05-J Campbell,10-Tebow
2/26 16-Lynch,20-Love
0/27-31
3/32 02-Ramsey,14-Bridgwater,18-Jackson

Other than The number ONE pick it’s at best a crap shoot picking a Qb in first round …10 QBs from 2cnd pick to 32 pick in first round were elite franchise QB .. and that’s since 2000 (10 out of 52 )

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this research took some time 😀🥃 hope y’all dig it !

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[quote=rocnrik;1353277]this research took some time 😀🥃 hope y’all dig it ![/quote]

Thanks, good stuff.

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Is it worth pointing out that usually if a new GM/HC comes in, they're often inclined to get their own QB because the incumbent is average or poor? How often has a HC come into a job where they've inherited a good or even great QB, and turfed them out for 'their guy'?

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My opinion
Elite level 17 players
2cnd tier 8
Mid pack 15
Below average 13
Bust 13
Too early too tell 3 ( stroud,Bryce young,Richardson )

What is y’all’s opinion ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1353283]My opinion
Elite level 17 players
2cnd tier 8
Mid pack 15
Below average 13
Bust 13
Too early too tell 3 ( stroud,Bryce young,Richardson )

What is y’all’s opinion ..[/QUOTE]


I’d keep Sam for another year unless you can get Caleb Williams some how


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[quote=AnonEmouse;1353282]Is it worth pointing out that usually if a new GM/HC comes in, they're often inclined to get their own QB because the incumbent is average or poor? How often has a HC come into a job where they've inherited a good or even great QB, and turfed them out for 'their guy'?[/quote]

You are correct.. However what we have is a Head coach who has been searching for 4 years to find a Qb .. he let the team erode and made so many bad roster decisions that now that Sam is here he is on his way out .. I’m sure Ron wishes he had Sam his first year .. there are a lot of coaches who will like the fact that Sam has allready played a full year in the league .. I’m all about if the TOP can’t miss guy falls to us in a top 5 pick getting him .. I am all against trading up and use assets we need to get someone .. how about letting a team with nobody trade up with us and we land a haul .. like another first rounder and second rounder to drop down a few spots … we could get better really quick!

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Right now the Bears get top pick and they need a QB .. Pats need a QB .. that’s two off the board ..Cards don’t .. the bears get another pick before us ..IF we NEEDED a QB we aren’t gonna get one of the top 2 guys .. if we really really want a chance at one of them then TANK !!! And we still probably won’t get one of them .. the 5th pick is what we are looking at realistically.. So who will be there ??

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1353289]Right now the Bears get top pick and they need a QB .. Pats need a QB .. that’s two off the board ..Cards don’t .. the bears get another pick before us ..IF we NEEDED a QB we aren’t gonna get one of the top 2 guys .. if we really really want a chance at one of them then TANK !!! And we still probably won’t get one of them .. the 5th pick is what we are looking at realistically.. So who will be there ??[/QUOTE]


The bears won’t pass up on Caleb Williams and the pats won’t pass up on maye. So in my opinion don’t take a QB at 4 or 5. Take the best LT available or trade back and add picks


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Caleb = bust.

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[quote=Chico23231;1353268]No way I’d move a young quarterback that’s shown a lot of advanced passing skills like Sam has done in his first year of starting. While I’m good with GM making a call on drafting another QB, in same breath I’m not moving Sam. That would be really dumb.

Like it or not, Sam has played too damn well just to give up on his development now. The value of having a second quality QB on the team is way underrated.[/quote]

I like Sam. If I was GM I would stick with him, but never underestimate the hubris of an arrogant sob that wants to make their mark.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1353298]Caleb = bust.[/QUOTE]


He may be but his potential is too great to pass up


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353302]He may be but his potential is too great to pass up


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Same was said about RGIII, how that turn out?

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RG3 was an owner pick, hopefully we are done with the owner making picks. If we get a new FO I will give them benefit of the doubt for now

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RG3 was an owner pick, hopefully we are done with the owner making picks. If we get a new FO I will give them benefit of the doubt for now