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[quote=simbosargos75;1358816]If you believe in Penix, it's great.

I would not be in favor at all. You can't come out of this draft without your QB of the future or multiple extra future firsts.

I personally wouldn't draft Penix in the top 4 rounds. He's gonna be injured, like always, in my opinion.[/quote]

Two ACLs already in college.. Not good

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1358818]Two ACLs already in college.. Not good[/quote]

And a throwing shoulder dislocation.

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That does instill some fear for sure. And im not the highest on Penix, just want to build around Howell which was the first part of the post. Having a very solid FA and draft adding multiple starters on the OL and D -- that would be fine for me. Giving Sam one more shot.

Unpopular opinion of the year, for sure. The only long term QB im high on is MAYE

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[quote=Meks;1358825]That does instill some fear for sure. And im not the highest on Penix, just want to build around Howell which was the first part of the post. Having a very solid FA and draft adding multiple starters on the OL and D -- that would be fine for me. Giving Sam one more shot.

Unpopular opinion of the year, for sure. The only long term QB im high on is MAYE[/quote]

Daniels or Maye would be my 1st choice.

But I'd be OK w/ this. I would assume this would mean a trade-down too, to get even more picks.

It's definitely exciting to see how this will play out. It's just so fucking nice, not having Snyder around to fuck it all up.

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Love all the old accounts coming alive!

Don't downplay the importance of a QB.
The Chiefs don't win a playoff game without Mahomes.

If Caleb Williams is even close to Mahomes in talent, I would sell everything to bring him in.

The good news is leadership brought in a guy that coached both Caleb and Mahomes.
If they do or don't trade for the 1st pick, it's probably the correct decision.

Next question is how close is Daniels.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1358809]If you keep him until another team gets desperate due to an injury or another coach's hubris makes him believe he can turn Howell into a star, then you might get considerable more than a late round pick, maybe even a couple of mid rounders.[/quote]

I was thinking more along the lines of he would be #2 if we didn't grab a vet, but you hit the nail on the head; keep him if only for just this instance.

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[quote=jamf;1358831]Love all the old accounts coming alive!

Don't downplay the importance of a QB.
The Chiefs don't win a playoff game without Mahomes.

If Caleb Williams is even close to Mahomes in talent, I would sell everything to bring him in.

The good news is leadership brought in a guy that coached both Caleb and Mahomes.
If they do or don't trade for the 1st pick, it's probably the correct decision.

Next question is how close is Daniels.[/quote]

Agreed. Peters, Quinn and KK will be closest to the truth on Williams, Maye and Daniels than any of us. If they interview them right (and between them they have oodles of experience) then they'll have what they need to decide who to pick (and therefore whether to trade up to be sure of getting their guy). plus, what we see of all 3 is what the media is showing; unless any or all of them are great actors, sitting across from them and asking the right questions will illicit a strong picture of their character and potential. In the end, we all know the only way to be sure is when they get out on the field.

Only concern for me is giving up too much in a trade that we then can't fix the rest of the roster, and worse, if that trade doesn't pan out. You don't want to sell your Ferrari and end up with a BMW (or worse) when you could have kept your Ferrari and still gotten a Porsche too.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1358811]I dont even find it weird, he does it to honor his mom

in 2022 vs

Stanford
Utah
Arizona
California
The Bowl Game

2023

Washington
Stanford
Colorado
Arizona State

Justin Herbert didn't have a game in college that made you say OMG, had no problem getting drafted and we can all agree that robert getting hurt derailed him because that rookie season he was 100% looking like he was worth the hype. Every #1 pick is gonna get hype. I am not even saying trade up to go get him but people saying he is gonna be a bust because of finger nail polish, or because he cried when he lost is crazy.

Stroud had a hell of a game vs Clemson, he also was playing with top notch college WRs, Caleb hasnt had that, holding that ND game over his head like its the end all be all is short sighted[/quote]

Another thing that I don't get is the argument that, "he played w/ top notch wr's".. And so did Joe Montana. lol. You still have to process, read and throw accurate balls. Joe Burrow played w/ top wr's in college and he is still a hell of a QB. When Stoud sliced up Georgia that was a signature game that should have had him picked over Young I feel.

We will see on Caleb. It wasn't just the ND game but we'll see. I do wish the kid well cause he is from here and I will always root for DC area players.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1358814]I'm not ready to agree that Robert getting hurt derailed his career. What derailed his career was his ego and inability to deliver the ball on time to the right receiver from the pocket.[/quote]

That didn't derail his career. His inability to play at a high level did. Guys come back from knee injuries all the time.

He's kind of corny but I like listening to him doing media. But every now and then his narcissism comes out.

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[quote=punch it in;1358786]We got enough cap space to upgrade a couple areas away from the draft. Between the draft and FA we can literally put a much better roster together quickly. Peters needs to save us.
We are Princess Leia and he is Obi Wan Kenobi. He is our only hope.[/quote]

You realize that Peters has kept everyone that was under Ron, including Mayhew and Hurney.

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Key is Ron isn't making the decisions anymore.

Peters worked with Mahew in SF, and it's too late right now to make big changes in the front office anyway.

Ron did the same thing when he first came in, it wasn't until his 2nd year he started making changes.

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Mayhew is a former Skin, I hope it works out for him. Always nice to have former players in the organization. He's now probably the happiest man in Ashburn, doesn't have Snyder or Rivera dragging him down. Possibility for a fresh start. Won't really know how it went until after the draft though.

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I think trying to hire a new scouting department and FO would be a disaster right before FA and draft. That said I am confident Peters has external people he is leaning on and Shen will work his magic.

I am not sold we are moving from 2 to 1 and I am not worried about it because if they are that confident the only way to get the only QB in the draft that will be elite caliber is to draft 1, that if you draft #2 you will not get an NFL caliber starter, then you have to do it no matter what.

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7-round mock draft by PFN:

[url]https://www.profootballnetwork.com/7-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-sb/[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1358839]You realize that Peters has kept everyone that was under Ron, including Mayhew and Hurney.[/QUOTE]


Under Ron is not the same as under Peters. Ron had zero business making personnel decisions.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1358818]Two ACLs already in college.. Not good[/QUOTE]


Yeah I wish him all the best. Seems like a great kid, but I wouldn’t draft him unless he was sitting there in the fifth round or something. Injured a lot and I simply do not like lefties. Yes there have obviously been good ones but their motion seems so slow and unnatural it makes me nervous. Lol.

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I get the feeling Penix is one of those guys that could be drafted much later than he's projected.

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SI's Albert Breer pulled out the Kliff Kingsbury card during an interview for CHGO.

"Kliff loves, loves, loves, loves Caleb Williams," Breer said. "Kliff said to me on the record that the comparisons to he and Patrick Mahomes are eerie. It's eerie how similar they are."

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/caleb-williams-endorsements-make-bears-decision-obvious[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358854]SI's Albert Breer pulled out the Kliff Kingsbury card during an interview for CHGO.

"Kliff loves, loves, loves, loves Caleb Williams," Breer said. "Kliff said to me on the record that the comparisons to he and Patrick Mahomes are eerie. It's eerie how similar they are."

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/caleb-williams-endorsements-make-bears-decision-obvious[/url][/quote]

Not that I am a chess player but

a. Kliff interviews with Chicago and discusses vision and learns their vision
b. Kliff ends up as OC in Washington knowing Chicago's vision.
c. Kliff tells everyone how similar Caleb is to Patrick

I think Kliff likes a guy and his name is not Caleb

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1358855]Not that I am a chess player but

a. Kliff interviews with Chicago and discusses vision and learns their vision
b. Kliff ends up as OC in Washington knowing Chicago's vision.
c. Kliff tells everyone how similar Caleb is to Patrick

I think Kliff likes a guy and his name is not Caleb[/quote]

My estimated odds:

30% - Trade up to No. 1
60% - Pick best BPA at QB at No. 2
10% - Trade down for more picks

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358856]My estimated odds:

30% - Trade up to No. 1
[B]60% - Pick best BPA at QB at No. 2[/B]
10% - Trade down for more picks[/quote]

60% of the time it works all the time. Nice

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1358856]My estimated odds:

30% - Trade up to No. 1
60% - Pick best BPA at QB at No. 2
10% - Trade down for more picks[/QUOTE]


I am slowly warming up to trading up for Caleb. We just have so many damn holes. If we could still acquire a quality OT and G plus some defense through FA I would be completely on board. The only reason I don’t like Caleb is his height and that is a terrible reason.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1358838]That didn't derail his career. His inability to play at a high level did. Guys come back from knee injuries all the time.

He's kind of corny but I like listening to him doing media. But every now and then his narcissism comes out.[/quote]

I can not stand RGIII, and I was one of his last supporters. I now feel like a scorned lover.

I will never understand why Kirk got so much more hate than the diva who refused to run the plays that made him good, never took accountability for his poor play, blaming his teammates instead, apparently spent more time in the weight room than the film room and never really committed to learning how to be a good QB. Kirk did none of this.

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I have a question. Obviously Peters has already compiled a lot of work for this draft. But he was working for the Niners. Can he take his work with him to Washington or would that be the property of SF?

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1358809]If you keep him until another team gets desperate due to an injury or another coach's hubris makes him believe he can turn Howell into a star, then you might get considerable more than a late round pick, maybe even a couple of mid rounders.[/quote]

Anything is possible. Kingsbury might even think he can make something out of him and not draft a quarterback at #2. Who knows?

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[quote=jamf;1358831]Love all the old accounts coming alive!

Don't downplay the importance of a QB.
The Chiefs don't win a playoff game without Mahomes.

If Caleb Williams is even close to Mahomes in talent, I would sell everything to bring him in.

The good news is leadership brought in a guy that coached both Caleb and Mahomes.
[B]If they do or don't trade for the 1st pick, it's probably the correct decision.[/B]

Next question is how close is Daniels.[/quote]

That is the best take thus far. Bravo!

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It all gets back to Trust in the new regime !! I'm good whoever they draft 👍👍

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[quote=skinsfan69;1358838]That didn't derail his career. His inability to play at a high level did. Guys come back from knee injuries all the time.

He's kind of corny but I like listening to him doing media. But every now and then his narcissism comes out.[/quote]

guys come back from knee injuries all the time, but RGII's was SEVERE . . . MCL, PCL, ACL, Meniscus and something else in a knee he had already had surgically repaired twice in college. He lost a couple steps for sure from what he was and another difference is that he relied on those legs too much . . . so he and his injuries were to blame.

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[quote=jamf;1358831]Love all the old accounts coming alive!

Don't downplay the importance of a QB.
The Chiefs don't win a playoff game without Mahomes.

If Caleb Williams is even close to Mahomes in talent, I would sell everything to bring him in.

The good news is leadership brought in a guy that coached both Caleb and Mahomes.
If they do or don't trade for the 1st pick, it's probably the correct decision.

[B]Next question is how close is Daniels.[/B][/quote]

True. If the new leadership believes they can develop Daniels into a Top 10 QB, then they may not feel the need to sacrifice a lot of talent for Williams. That would set us up to stay at #2 and reap the benefits.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1358805][url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/07/richard-sherman-commanders-arent-getting-kliff-kingsbury-to-draft-drake-maye/[/url]

Richard Sherman and I think the Commanders might make a BIG trade offer to Chicago for the #1 pick which will be Caleb Williams.[/quote]

Given the updated trade value chart most the trades I've seen have the Redskins wildly overpaying. Its a 400 pt difference in value between picks that equates to our#2 with our two 3s and a 5th. We'd technically be overpaying if we sent our lower second round pick with our 1st, yet everyone has us trading our higher second and a 1st rounder next year and more.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1358857]60% of the time it works all the time. Nice[/quote]

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/cb9d3O8IdKQAAAAM/random-panther.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=punch it in;1358858]I am slowly warming up to trading up for Caleb. We just have so many damn holes. If we could still acquire a quality OT and G plus some defense through FA I would be completely on board. The only reason I don’t like Caleb is his height and that is a terrible reason.[/quote]

I think we all just have to trust the process with new leadership. I don't want to trade up for Williams, but if that's what Harris/Peters determine is the right call, then we just have to roll with it. The alternative, is absolutely hating everything from the jump, and that's not where I want to be.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358885]I think we all just have to trust the process with new leadership. I don't want to trade up for Williams, but if that's what Harris/Peters determine is the right call, then we just have to roll with it. The alternative, is absolutely hating everything from the jump, and that's not where I want to be.[/quote]

Exactly it is like when you start dating and you look past the little things that typically annoy you. Once you start progressing as couple you decide whether to cut bait.

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The fact that some fans on X are saying trade for Fields is mind boggling to me. He is the complete opposite of KK Offense... People really have no idea about real Xs and os

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This is just nasty

[url]https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1755386235336409307?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1755386235336409307%7Ctwgr%5E011ca1d54a593fa2aef6a81ad86d0ea100bea204%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2024%2F2%2F8%2F24059028%2Fall-atwitter-8-feb-24-mahomes-says-chiefs-players-had-goosebumps-listening-to-eric-bieniemy-speak[/url]

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At this point these writers need something to write about, saying CHI picking Williams with the first pic is not click bait but its the realty

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1358899]This is just nasty

[url]https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1755386235336409307?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1755386235336409307%7Ctwgr%5E011ca1d54a593fa2aef6a81ad86d0ea100bea204%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2024%2F2%2F8%2F24059028%2Fall-atwitter-8-feb-24-mahomes-says-chiefs-players-had-goosebumps-listening-to-eric-bieniemy-speak[/url][/quote]

The man has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He would probably be in the top 5 in the NFL in arm strength from the jump.

What I don't like about his highlights and he doesn't make the tape himself, is most of them aren't just straight drop-back throws from the pocket. They mostly have him moving around before throwing it. That's a great skill to have, but in the NFL, most of your throws need to be direct pocket passes.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358903]The man has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He would probably be in the top 5 in the NFL in arm strength from the jump.

What I don't like about his highlights and he doesn't make the tape himself, is most of them aren't just straight drop-back throws from the pocket. They mostly have him moving around before throwing it. That's a great skill to have, but in the NFL, most of your throws need to be direct pocket passes.[/quote]

I was listening to an interview Kevin Sheehan did on 980 with someone associated with USC. They were saying that he had one of the worst lines in D1 football so I would like to know how much of that is preplanned to compensate for that. Still he has to be able to show he can throw from a pocket.

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i wish there was some Madden like stat that showed percent chance of being a franchise QB

Example:
CW 90%
DM 82%
JH 79%

Then you could say is it worth trading the farm for an 8% chance CW will be your guy for the next ten years

I mean i guess true nfl scouts kind of have it in their heads; i guess i just like to know what they think those percent's are

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1358899]This is just nasty

[url]https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1755386235336409307?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1755386235336409307%7Ctwgr%5E011ca1d54a593fa2aef6a81ad86d0ea100bea204%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2024%2F2%2F8%2F24059028%2Fall-atwitter-8-feb-24-mahomes-says-chiefs-players-had-goosebumps-listening-to-eric-bieniemy-speak[/url][/quote]

He's a rare talent for sure but at what cost?