Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;420591]Zorn has a good rep and many say great things about him. I truly hope (make that: “pray”) he has years of success running the Redskins. However, JZ, and sadly to an extent now Joe Gibbs, sound like shills for Dan Snyder. When Zorn says “I'm very excited that Dan and all those involved kept the continuity here before the head coach got here…” [url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url]
It sounds so contrived and I’m sorry, but “continuity” went out the window when Gregg Williams was kicked to the curbside. During the press-conference at Redskins Park yesterday, Gibbs skirted that very issue very well when asked about it from Kelly Johnson of CSN. Spin control at its very best.

The thing that worries me the most is Jason Campbell’s development. Just how many different offensive schemes can one expect him to learn?? And it didn’t sound as if JZ cared very much about that fact as he stated “He's (JC) had all these coordinators in all these different years. Eh, bummer. That's his career…” Wow. If I’m JC, I’m not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about my new HC that allegedly has so much to offer from a QB coach’s standpoint. Like some of you, I’ll wait and see before I cast judgment. But for now, I’m leaning toward expecting the worst, and hoping for the best.[/quote]
Well JC has not shown me enough on the field to make hiring and firing decisions based off of what might or might not be JC best interest. Is he even a franchise QB? People point to the fact that he was hand picked by Gibbs and that Gibbs knows how to find QB's. Well if you look back at history Gibbs found 3 QB's which won SB's behind a very strong team but were any of these francise QB's? I'd say no. I'm not knocking how we won our SB's I'm pointing out that they were not franchise QB's and maybe JC is not either.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420598]I don't agree that continuity was out the window just because GW left. Our current staff is very much intact from last season so there is still a significant amount of continuity carried over.

As for his take on JC, I don't see anything wrong with what he said at all. If anything it's the cold hard truth. What happened in the past isn't his concern and it shouldn't be.[/QUOTE]

I would say that "some" of the current staff is intact, and disagree that "...current staff [is] very much intact." Given the latest debacle with Earnest Byner, we may lose yet another coach. I simply can't accept where continuity was kept intact after Joe Gibbs resigned. You, nor anyone else for that matter, will ever be able to convince me otherwise.

I'm not so sure JC needed someone, especially the new HC, to remind him of the "cold hard truth" regarding his multiple offensive coordinators over the years. I thought it was a little flippant and inappropriate to say given that JZ was on a "national" stage.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;420602]Well JC has not shown me enough on the field to make hiring and firing decisions based off of what might or might not be JC best interest. Is he even a franchise QB? People point to the fact that he was hand picked by Gibbs and that Gibbs knows how to find QB's. Well if you look back at history Gibbs found 3 QB's which won SB's behind a very strong team but were any of these francise QB's? I'd say no. I'm not knocking how we won our SB's I'm pointing out that they were not franchise QB's and maybe JC is not either.[/QUOTE]

You somewhat prove my point. If JG hand picked JC, and JG won 3 SB's w/ 3 different QB's, then isn't it important to futher the development of JC? I would think that this was surely a big consideration when hiring JZ contrary to your comment. But, to potentially go to a WCO would set back a QB like JC as his strength has been the deep ball and not quick timing routes. I don't know fellas, I'll just have to wait and see on this one and hope that JC can adapt.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;420614]I would say that "some" of the current staff is intact, and disagree that "...current staff [is] very much intact." Given the latest debacle with Earnest Byner, we may lose yet another coach. I simply can't accept where continuity was kept intact after Joe Gibbs resigned. You, nor anyone else for that matter, will ever be able to convince me otherwise.

I'm not so sure JC needed someone, especially the new HC, to remind him of the "cold hard truth" regarding his multiple offensive coordinators over the years. I thought it was a little flippant and inappropriate to say given that JZ was on a "national" stage.[/quote]

Sounds like you've already got your mind made up on things, so I guess there's not much use to continuing a discussion.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

[QUOTE=firstdown;420602]Well JC has not shown me enough on the field to make hiring and firing decisions based off of what might or might not be JC best interest. Is he even a franchise QB? People point to the fact that he was hand picked by Gibbs and that Gibbs knows how to find QB's. Well if you look back at history Gibbs found 3 QB's which won SB's behind a very strong team but were any of these francise QB's? I'd say no. I'm not knocking how we won our SB's I'm pointing out that they were not franchise QB's and maybe JC is not either.[/QUOTE]


The Zorn decision while not limited to the development of JC, played a very important part in the decision to hire him. We do not know if Campbell is what's considered a "franchise" QB yet, but he was drafted with the hope of him becoming such in mind.

Joe Theisman ultimately became our FQ when you consider his length of service, despite the fact he was not origionally drafted by the Redskins. Doug Williams was drafted to be a FQ by the TBB, unfortunately, he was unable to spend his entire career with that franchise. Mark Rypien was a late round draft choice, not drafted with the idea of being considered a "Franchise QB" The jury is out on JC, there are unanswered questions, and we wont know until we weigh the results after he has maxed out his potential.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

[quote=Mattyk72;420621]Sounds like you've already got your mind made up on things, so I guess there's not much use to continuing a discussion.[/quote]

SNAFU in Skinsville

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

Only time will tell, he is at best an unknown entity??? I think this is more about the Redskins organization and how they make major staff hiring decision which clearly is “puzzling” at best.....

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After thinking about it for a few days, I think I like this. I'm happy with having a young unproved HC that everyone seems to like and thinks is a "nice guy". I'm crossing my fingers for the best!!!

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I think the defense will be fine and continue to grow. The Defensive Coordinator was promoted from within, so the defensive philosphy should stay realtively intact.

The offense will be the something to keep an eye on though.

An offensive change at this time in Campbells development is critical. He was just starting to hit his stride and be really comfortable in the old offense. This is not like JC is a 6 or 8 year veteran who has been around the block a few times. The timing of this with regard to the development of JC could not have been worse.

Not saying there will be failure, but it seems that right after the "growing pains" were waning with regard to JC, we will have to endure a whole new period of growing pains in a new offense.

Many will raise the "pot calling the kettle black" when I speak of Snyders "unique" hands-on management style. Simply because if my fan affiliation and the owner/GM I endure.

All I am saying is do you think Jack Kent Cooke would be doing business the same way, or approve of the way Snyder is doing business?

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Jack Kent Cooke was definitely hands on. Times were different though. Difficult to compare the two really

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;420618]You somewhat prove my point. If JG hand picked JC, and JG won 3 SB's w/ 3 different QB's, then isn't it important to futher the development of JC? I would think that this was surely a big consideration when hiring JZ contrary to your comment. But, to potentially go to a WCO would set back a QB like JC as his strength has been the deep ball and not quick timing routes. I don't know fellas, I'll just have to wait and see on this one and hope that JC can adapt.[/quote]

Zorn specifically said during the press conference that the attack was going to be west coast influenced, not pure west coast. He was also adamnet about using the deep ball, as that plays to JC's strengths. So personally I don't see the deep ball going away any time soon. Hail!!!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;420660]I think the defense will be fine and continue to grow. The Defensive Coordinator was promoted from within, so the defensive philosphy should stay realtively intact.

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The best part about using the same system with a differnt coordinator is that the tendencies that your divison picked up on throughout the years are pretty much out the window. Now the teams in NFC East have to get used to preparing against Greg Blache while during the past four years they were use to preparing for Gregg Williams.

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I said yes...but this is a balsy move.
You ditch 2 coordinators with Head coaching experience and lose a HOF head coach and replace him "externally" with a position coach without HC experience.

Virtually all of our coaching staff would be considered equally or more experienced than Zorn....but....if Snyder is going with his gut....I can respect that.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;420660]

All I am saying is do you think Jack Kent Cooke would be doing business the same way, or approve of the way Snyder is doing business?[/QUOTE]

Although Snyder and Cooke were radically different in many ways, this one move would be similar....this is a going with your gut hire.
Something Cooke did a lot

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach
 

[quote=SmootSmack;420666]Jack Kent Cooke was definitely hands on. Times were different though. Difficult to compare the two really[/quote]


Jack K Cooke was hands on but also new when to back off ...............something the Danny does"nt know.Jack Kent Cooke new GM's!