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[quote=Ruhskins;627088]So you are wrong about the fumbles. You're right, you can get a lot by watching just a handful of games.[/quote]

i think we are talking about 2 different bushes

fumbles are costly no matter what team, what player, and what game it is

AP is arguably the best RB in the league and is a fumbling machine....but that doesnt stop him from being a productive back

reggie is productive.....but his fumbles have been costly.....unfortunately, none of our backs have had a ton of luck holding on to the ball including drew brees and because of that reggie has slipped back into the starting lineup

against the falcons and panthers he started showing some aggressive running and started lowering his shoulder to get the tough yards whereas, in the past, he would've ducked out of bounds.....hes a young pup still and he will continue to learn and get better

but i still have no idea what you're trying to say....i agreed with you that bush is a good player even tho i think you were being sarcastic......i wasnt

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[quote=Lotus;627090]Look, jerk, you were asked many times. You dodged the question repeatedly. You only produced that list under verbal duress. Then you treat us like we are the dicks?

And you continue to make grand claims about the 2009 Redskins despite seeing only a third of their games.

I've never asked for someone to be banned before but please ban this person.[/quote]

aw im sorry i didnt mean to hurt your feelings......how about a hug?

[img]http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-kitten-hug.jpg[/img]

i posted the games ive watched earlier in this thread but you guys ignored it.....so i had to post it slower so you guys would catch it......next time read my post the first time so i dont have to repeat myself

remember that i offered up an open invitation to visit my home site.....you all are more than welcome to lurk, troll, post....whatever...and you will not be treated with disrespect

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[quote=CantonLegend;627086]one thing im curious about tho....wouldnt the coaching staff put the best RB out on the field? if betts was better he would've started over portis.....he doesnt.....shouldnt that tell you something?[/quote]

If Betts continues to produce the same way he has, I'm sure the coaching staff would want to put the best RB out on the field. However, Portis happens to have a direct line to the ownership and would run his mouth in the local media about it, which I'm sure you can pick up in the few games you've seen.

I don't think there's a fan that will discredit and ignore the accomplishments that Portis has had as a Redskins. However, we're not being narrow-minded like you are by saying that just because he was great before he should be the starter in a year when injuries/age/faulty o-line/not practicing/etc., etc. have caused him to have a subpar first half of the season.

You just like to fuck with people and come up with your ignorant ramblings about how great he was.

If Portis was healthy and in his past form, there wouldn't even be a discussion. But unfortunately for your piss poor argument, he's not.

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[quote=CantonLegend;627091]i think we are talking about 2 different bushes

fumbles are costly no matter what team, what player, and what game it is

AP is arguably the best RB in the league and is a fumbling machine....but that doesnt stop him from being a productive back

reggie is productive.....but his fumbles have been costly.....unfortunately, none of our backs have had a ton of luck holding on to the ball including drew brees and because of that reggie has slipped back into the starting lineup

against the falcons and panthers he started showing some aggressive running and started lowering his shoulder to get the tough yards whereas, in the past, he would've ducked out of bounds.....hes a young pup still and he will continue to learn and get better

[B]but i still have no idea what you're trying to say....i agreed with you that bush is a good player even tho i think you were being sarcastic......i wasnt[/B][/quote]

Hey, I'm just doing the same thing you are doing in here.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627094]If Betts continues to produce the same way he has, I'm sure the coaching staff would want to put the best RB out on the field. However, Portis happens to have a direct line to the ownership and would run his mouth in the local media about it, which I'm sure you can pick up in the few games you've seen.

I don't think there's a fan that will discredit and ignore the accomplishments that Portis has had as a Redskins. However, we're not being narrow-minded like you are by saying that just because he was great before he should be the starter in a year when injuries/age/faulty o-line/not practicing/etc., etc. have caused him to have a subpar first half of the season.

You just like to fuck with people and come up with your ignorant ramblings about how great he was.

If Portis was healthy and in his past form, there wouldn't even be a discussion. But unfortunately for your piss poor argument, he's not.[/quote]

you're right....hes hurt....which is why hes not playing

however.....i disagree that his affiliation with the owner has anything to do with his playing time and positioning as a starter

it is the coaches call to put the starters on the field......it doesnt matter what the owner says about who he wants to play because it is ultimately the decision of the coach.....zorns job is on the line anyway....the last thing he should be worried about is what the owner has to say about who should start

zorn is taking full advantage of his liberties as a head coach that he still has and one of them is designating starters.....he came in to the team completely unbiased towards which running back should start and selected portis as the feature back.....because he is better.....zorn has no affiliation with portis whatsoever and if portis werent the better of the 2 players, there would be absolutely no reason for zorn to continue to milk that cow

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[quote=CantonLegend;627098]you're right....hes hurt....which is why hes not playing

[B]however.....i disagree that his affiliation with the owner has anything to do with his playing time and positioning as a starter[/B]

it is the coaches call to put the starters on the field......it doesnt matter what the owner says about who he wants to play because it is ultimately the decision of the coach.....zorns job is on the line anyway....the last thing he should be worried about is what the owner has to say about who should start

zorn is taking full advantage of his liberties as a head coach that he still has and one of them is designating starters.....he came in to the team completely unbiased towards which running back should start and selected portis as the feature back.....because he is better.....zorn has no affiliation with portis whatsoever and if portis werent the better of the 2 players, there would be absolutely no reason for zorn to continue to milk that cow[/quote]

Well this is your opinion as an outsider, which is understandable. However, my beef (and many people's beef) with you is that you ignore any arguments made by those in the DC area or who closely follow the team.

In theory, what you said should be the case. It should be the coach's decision to put a player on the field, and not the owner. However, this clearly shows your lack of knowledge of the antics of Dan Snyder.

However, in two separate incidents, Portis had public disagreements with the head coach of the team (one with Gibbs, and the other with Zorn). In both situations, while the coaches were right in their intentions/arguments/actions, it was Portis that came on the winning side of these disagreements (I am too lazy to look up the articles about this).

Once again, you may bring some valid points to an argument, but you shouldn't discredit those of us that may know the team better than a Saints fans. Just like you seem to know more about Reggie Bush than I do.

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[quote=Ruhskins;627099]Well this is your opinion as an outsider, which is understandable. However, my beef (and many people's beef) with you is that you ignore any arguments made by those in the DC area or who closely follow the team.

In theory, what you said should be the case. It should be the coach's decision to put a player on the field, and not the owner. However, this clearly shows your lack of knowledge of the antics of Dan Snyder.

However, in two separate incidents, Portis had public disagreements with the head coach of the team (one with Gibbs, and the other with Zorn). In both situations, while the coaches were right in their intentions/arguments/actions, it was Portis that came on the winning side of these disagreements (I am too lazy to look up the articles about this).

Once again, you may bring some valid points to an argument, but you shouldn't discredit those of us that may know the team better than a Saints fans. Just like you seem to know more about Reggie Bush than I do.[/quote]

i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to carry the team on his back almost single handidly

is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be

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[quote=CantonLegend;627102]i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to [B]carry the team on his back almost single handidly[/B]

[B]is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? [/B]maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be[/quote]

While Portis may have been able to carry the team on his back before, I really don't think he or he should. There is a reason why teams are going to a two-runningback system, and Portis career and his significance to the team can be extended if we adopt that.

I think if Portis is 100% healthy, he should be back, but the team should consider a two-back system such as in Dallas and Carolina. However, I don't think Portis will be 100% healthy this season, and given the dangers of his concussion (especially after seeing what happened to Westbrook).

I think those that want Betts to continue to play are being more realistic to the fact that Portis is not going to help this team while he continues with injury and now with this terrible concussion he's had.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;627102]i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to carry the team on his back almost single handidly

is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be[/quote]

Dude you had best be Clinton Portis. Because if you're not, you need to remove your lips from his :nono:

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im with canton on this. the best players PLAY. even Snyder cant F*** that up, can he? and Betts isn't the best running back on the roster. so why does every one around here always think the back ups are better then the starters? that, and its really easy to switch positions once they come here?

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[quote=CantonLegend;626980]i never once mentioned that i watched the rams game did i? in fact.....i told you guys which games i did get to watch

no i didnt watch all of those games and no i had no idea i was going to be having this conversation....i dont watch the redskins like i watch the saints....i watch the redskins because its football......[B]not to analyze them[/B]

you guys are clowns
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But thats exactly what you are doing.

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[quote=dmek25;627134]im with canton on this. the best players PLAY. even Snyder cant F*** that up, can he? and Betts isn't the best running back on the roster. so why does every one around here always think the back ups are better then the starters? that, and its really easy to switch positions once they come here?[/quote]

Betts is the best back on the roster RIGHT NOW...don't let CP's past stats cloud your judgement about 2009.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;627141]But thats exactly what you are doing.[/quote]

pretty much

back to the issue though i don't understand the whole "can't lose your job to injury" bs that keeps floating around, guess what if some one comes in and out performs what you have been doing then you lose your job. this isn't sick leave in the white collar world, this is the nfl, there are no guarantees.

and personally i think that if you can't practice don't play, that rarely ever works out. it only does when you have physical phenoms like plax, that are that much better than everyone esle, as of now cp isn't

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Ruhskins;626937]Portis is showing the typical decline that RBs have when they hit the 30 year old mark (Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor, LT, Edge James, etc., etc.). I think Curtis Martin was probably one of the few if not the only RB in recent history to have a career season after the age of 30. I don't understand why you insist on ignoring the fact that Portis has a lot of mileage on him given the running philosophy of this team. And speaking of running philosophies, this teams need to adopt and two or three-RB system, otherwise the next young RB that we have will be done before they reach 30 (like Portis).

Portis in a sense is a big baby when it comes to leadership...he has none and sadly he's the face of the franchise. While he is no T.O., or pre-Pats Randy Moss, Portis is a disturbance in the locker room. He has a direct line to the ownership, and that has allowed him to undermine the authority of both Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn. He called out Mike Sellers and threw him under the bus, while he had less rushing TDs than our punter. And ever since he injured his shoulder in the preseason a few years ago, he is probably the only player that doesn't practice.

So you either have a fanatical infatuation with Clinton Portis or you just want to come here to F with people. While no one is denying his successes here in Washington, right now in this season he is not earning his paycheck and can be added to the number of things that is wrong with the team.[/quote]

Once again hating Portis because of something other than football. Go away with this leadership mess. The head coach is supposed to be the leader. Portis was brought here to run the football and not advance your social conservative culture war (which you lost badly btw). There was no problem with leadership when Gibbs was the coach. Who cares if you're mad he doesn't practice. You have a right not to practice when you are carrying the whole offense on your shoulders, and taking a freaking beating every week. Portis carried us after Sean Taylor died. Yet, some people claim it was Collins. Portis is getting no credit for what he does and blame because he does not fit the image you would like to see. I say keep sacrificing your body to advance that pigskin and you have done your job Clinton.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;627142]Betts is the best back on the roster RIGHT NOW...don't let CP's past stats cloud your judgement about 2009.[/quote]
would we agree that the skins Oline that played this week was probably the best line they have to offer? lets see what Portis does behind that line before you go and make wild statements. Betts is at best a career back up