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[quote=Buster;618081]Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7201/gamelog;_ylt=AvtOZAfqAEiPJSfwx.awfJH.uLYF"]Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?[/quote]
just how angry do you get on here... i'll take average or long rating out of 10

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;618002]And you guys cant get all over Sanchez, ITS HIS 1st YR IN THE SYSTEM. --this excuse was brought to you by JC supporters everywhere--

Name another 1st round QB who has been with a team for 5 yrs and has yet to make the playoffs. thats still in the league. I cant think of any right off hand.[/quote]

Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers. The other two first round QBs from 2005. I say that not in defense of Campbell, I think if you are still defending his play then you don't know what you are looking at during the games, but merely to answer your question.

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[quote=30gut;618184]It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur[/quote]

Like I stated in the rant, EVEN when he has time he still makes the same mistakes. Outside of the stats, I watch the game and my eyes dont deceive me, he is sloppy with the ball and his decisions. I dont see progression...Big Ben, A.Rodgers have bad Olines, they still make plays when they do get protection. Also something have is the ability to lead...please JC cant lead or manage sh*t. Big Ben two superbowl rings, A Rodgers replaces a freakin legend, gains the support of team and fans, and puts an average team in a position to win a game every weekend. JC is not a rookie anymore, he has been here awhile.

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[quote=tryfuhl;618204]just how angry do you get on here... i'll take average or long rating out of 10[/quote]

Great question - oughta be a thread/poll in and of itself!!!

For me, I can have a real spike up to 9 or 10 when I read what I consider an idiotic post. It usually levels off at around a 3

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[quote=Buster;618081]Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7201/gamelog;_ylt=AvtOZAfqAEiPJSfwx.awfJH.uLYF"]Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?[/quote]

Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me

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[quote=SmootSmack;618215]Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me[/quote]

Don't worry about it, I didn't get it at first either.

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[quote=Chico23231;618206]Like I stated in the rant, EVEN when he has time he still makes the same mistakes. Outside of the stats, I watch the game and my eyes dont deceive me, he is sloppy with the ball and his decisions. I dont see progression...Big Ben, A.Rodgers have bad Olines, they still make plays when they do get protection. Also something have is the ability to lead...please JC cant lead or manage sh*t. Big Ben two superbowl rings, A Rodgers replaces a freakin legend, gains the support of team and fans, and puts an average team in a position to win a game every weekend. JC is not a rookie anymore, he has been here awhile.[/quote]

Chico ever QB makes those same mistakes when they don't have time.
JC has made plays when he has time you exaggerting to try and make a point.
Ben Rothlisberger's OL is not anywhere near as bad as our OL.
Ben would be the 1st to tell you that he creates many of sacks trying to make a play downfield.
Ben's sacks don't come on 3 step drops, Ben's sacks come after he's already held the ball for 3 seconds and starts to scramble around trying to make a play.
(Nothing against Ben because he made big plays down the strecth his stats weren't much better then JC last year, and many of the games their [B][I]defense [/I][/B]won not Ben)
*BTW-Ben's 1st superbowl was won despite his horrible performance in the SB not because Ben played well.

Aaron Rodgers was groomed by a great coaching staff and has great playcalling, he got to watch behind Brett Favre and inherited a team loaded with talent both on the OL and at the skill positions.
True his OL is a little banged up this year but those guys are young draft picks that were waiting to play and their OL play has improved.

JC does make plays when he has protection, but he's had so little protection this year that its caused him not to trust his OL and he's started the last 2 games with happy feet.

The playcalling issues haven't exactly helped him out either.

And even if Ben and Rodgers do have OL as bad as ours, which they don't, does it makes sense to plan around for exception rather then the rule?

You can downplay the OL all you want but its impossible to make a proper assessment under these circumstances.
And when you consider the circumstances JC is doing as best he can.

Look at these issues:
1) Coaching/playcalling
2) support from the FO
3) OL
4) Receivers as a group
5)Running game

You tell me what QB other then JC is dealing has all of the same problems as JC and is still performing at a decent level?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;618187]I asked myself that same question. I hear Rodgers name a lot and how he has a horrible o-line but truth is his receivers are probably the best WR tandem in the NFL up there with the Cards. How many one-handed spectular catches do they have this year alone? Plus, his pass protection sucks not his pass and run blocking protection we can't run or pass Grant averages 1,000 per season last time I checked. Face it we don't have anything going for us at all no OL play, WR play, RB play or QB play but they all go hand and hand.[/quote]

Aaron Rodgers OL 'sucking' is a bit overblown.
Even during the game against the Vikes i recall Jaws saying how he caused some of those sacks, although i didn't agree with him.
I didn't want to go into the details but Aaron Rodgers has only had 2 changes to his starting OL.
And part of the reason we don't have more sacks is because the playcalling is centered around not getting JC killed.

LT-Lang a rookie 4th round draft pick
comes in for opening day starter C.Clifton
C-Wells who veteran Center who started 13 games for the Pack last year
takes the place of opening day starter Spitz

HTTR!

*(I have a long post on Ben's supposed 'sorry' OL but it would make for a long post.)

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[quote=SmootSmack;618087]Oh, I see. I thought you meant number of long passes.

Either way I would suspect that more often than not he misses on those deep throws, though I know it's not always his fault[/quote]

Yeah, I picked up what you picked up on, figured he meant "longest in each game." Which in reality JC probably only had 1 long pass that connected and the rest were either over throws or throw aways. So it's nice to see that he can get the ball down field, but he has to be able to do it more then once a game.

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Although O-line is a glaring need. How much time do other QB's get in order to get the ball off? I'll agree with you guys that the O-line needs to be upgraded and needs to learn how to block as a team, otherwise the run game will be stifled.

I did see some jail breaks in the Eagles game, but other then that JC gets around 3-7 seconds to get rid of the ball on his pass plays. I think most QB's get 3-7 seconds to get the ball off. I keep hearing about how JC does not get enough time and wonder if this statement is BS. I think the team needs to design plays that develope quicker and JC needs to be more accurate in his throws, as well as hitting the receiver in stride and not behind them. Also stop being scared to throw the ball when a defender is close.

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The most important statistic of a QB is the Win/loss ratio. JC is just not a winner, even when he has impeccable protection. We do have a bad OL, but JC doesn't have the leadership skills and gets rattled easy.

[B]JC is just not a NFL caliber QB[/B]. I can't hit the long passes. Many of his best passes were YAC made by the WR/TE/RB. He often misses wide open WR by not seeing them, throwing over, under, behind, etc. [B]He has a poor feel for the rush [/B]- either stepping into the rush, rushing his pass when he has time or holding the ball too long. All these "feel" mistakes can be blamed on the poor OL, but other QB in the NFL make money out of it. JC can not.

Much of the stats that are sighted are the "junk yards" (like the last game) where the teams are giving him yardage at the end of the game we are going to lose.

I predict that JC will never start again in the NFL. He's quickly playing himself out of the NFL, except as a perennial #2 or #3 QB.

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JC has the skills, but not the temperament. His stats make him look better than he is because he doesn't (or isnt allowed to) take chances. But mainly, he isn't strong-willed enough. I'll bet he has no presence in the huddle. I've never seen any emotion out of the guy on the field or otherwise. And have you seen his press-conferences.....so mild mannered and doesn't even look the camera in the eye.

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[quote=SBXVII;618307]Although O-line is a glaring need. How much time do other QB's get in order to get the ball off? I'll agree with you guys that the O-line needs to be upgraded and needs to learn how to block as a team, otherwise the run game will be stifled. [/quote]

Well if you realize that the OL isn't up to par in the running game or the passing game what makes you think the still give JC as much time as other OLs?

[quote]I did see some jail breaks in the Eagles game, but other then that JC gets around 3-7 seconds to get rid of the ball on his pass plays. I think most QB's get 3-7 seconds to get the ball off.[/quote]

I think you need to research how much time a QB gets in the pocket because you are way off base.
If you don't want to look it up, watch a game with stop watch that goes to the hundredths.

You'll find the following:
3 seconds of pass pro would be considered average
1.5-1.7 seconds on a 3 step drop the ball should be coming out (a QB should not get hit on a 3 step drop)
4-5 seconds behind a good OL on 5-7 step drop
7 seconds of protection almost never happens

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Yeah 7 seconds is ridiculous...

Typically if a QB gets a full 3 seconds, that's good protection.

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[quote=A10sROCK;618418]The most important statistic of a QB is the Win/loss ratio. JC is just not a winner, even when he has impeccable protection. We do have a bad OL, but JC doesn't have the leadership skills and gets rattled easy.[/quote]

Football is a team sport.
You cannot judge a QB by their win/loss record alone.
Look at the W/L records of Rodgers in Green Bay or Drew Brees w/ the Saints(prior to this year).

Even when he has impeccable protection?
When has he even had good protection? Save for a handful of times last game?

[quote][B]JC is just not a NFL caliber QB[/B]. I can't hit the long passes. Many of his best passes were YAC made by the WR/TE/RB. He often misses wide open WR by not seeing them, throwing over, under, behind, etc. [B]He has a poor feel for the rush [/B]- either stepping into the rush, rushing his pass when he has time or holding the ball too long. All these "feel" mistakes can be blamed on the poor OL, but other QB in the NFL make money out of it. JC can not. [/quote]

The question you need to ask yourself is does JC makes these mistakes [I]more[/I] then other QBs?
And if JC was making all these mistakes more often the other QBs playing behind a worse OL, without a running game, with a average at best receiving corps, and inconsistent to below average playcalling and coaching then how is it that he's the 18th rated QB in the league?

[quote]Much of the stats that are sighted are the "junk yards" (like the last game) where the teams are giving him yardage at the end of the game we are going to lose. [/quote]

Junk yardage?
The TD to Devin Thomas was junk yardage?
On the drive that lead to Fred Davis TD the Eagles weren't playing prevent they were still blitzing.

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30gut we will just have to disagree. Like I stated, I wanted JC to be that franchise type but to me he just doenst have it. From a mental and leadership perspective of the position he gets very low marks. Good Oline or not. Physical standpoint, he has all the tools. Yeah coaching has some to do with it, maybe he has had too many changes but that is water under the bridge. Another year, another coach, another system is not going to benefit JC here, its time to move on. And like I said, management does not want him here, he has had his chance, good luck to him.

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[quote=SkinFanatic;618469]JC has the skills, but not the temperament. His stats make him look better than he is[/quote]

I'd say JC has the skills.
His stats make him look good because he has suspect OL, no running, average receiving corps, and up until now inconsistent to lousy playcalling and is still the 18th rated QB in the NFL.

All the Skins have to do is win a couple games and i'm sure a bunch of you guys will change your tune.

HTTR!

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[quote=Chico23231;618504]30gut we will just have to disagree. Like I stated, I wanted JC to be that franchise type but to me he just doenst have it. From a mental and leadership perspective of the position he gets very low marks. Good Oline or not. Physical standpoint, he has all the tools. Yeah coaching has some to do with it, maybe he has had too many changes but that is water under the bridge. Another year, another coach, another system is not going to benefit JC here, its time to move on. And like I said, management does not want him here, he has had his chance, good luck to him.[/quote]

We can agree to disagree.
But when people start in with the bashing rhetoric its hard for me to remain silent in the face of spurios claims. [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/618206-post922.html[/url]
Hey, if you don't think JC can be any better then the 18th QB in the league given the circumstances, cool.
But no need to bash the dude.

I just don't understand how anyone can judge JC negatively this season.
There aren't many QBs in the league that would play better in this situation.
And if JC is gone next year who are we gonna find thats actually better?
Finding different is easy finding better is another story.

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[quote=SmootSmack;618215]Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk72;618217]Don't worry about it, I didn't get it at first either.[/quote]


:silly:

Someone said JC is doing the "Brunell dink-and dunk" and claimed he doesn't go downfield, so I posted his long completions for each week. Standard stat, I thought! :D

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Sorry Buster you were a bit vague in your explanation of "Campbell long passes".

Next time make a play, ok?

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[quote=30gut;618510]We can agree to disagree.
But when people start in with the bashing rhetoric its hard for me to remain silent in the face of spurios claims. [URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/618206-post922.html[/URL]
Hey, if you don't think JC can be any better then the 18th QB in the league given the circumstances, cool.
But no need to bash the dude.

I just don't understand how anyone can judge JC negatively this season.
There aren't many QBs in the league that would play better in this situation.
And if JC is gone next year who are we gonna find thats actually better?
Finding different is easy finding better is another story.[/quote]

Forget the stats, forget comparing him to any other quarterback and really isolate Campbell's play. Okay, take the bad plays that YOU think were definitely the fault of offensive linemen and wide receivers and don't consider these in evaluating Campbell's play. Now look at the rest of the plays and then tell me how he did. If you can't find these mistakes from the last game that Campbell was responsible for then let me know - turnovers, missed touchdowns/big plays, and awful pocket presence (leading to undue pressure and sacks).

I think everything on offense is predicated on and ran through the quarterback. That's why I really believe that the most important thing is to fix that position first, because it is the most important (position) to the offense. To me, you really have to look at the most important positions first to fix things because of the impact they have to their unit and thus their team. Usually, I think one of the last positions that you would consider important on the list is probably a blocker on kickoff returns.

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[quote=warriorzpath;618623]Forget the stats, forget comparing him to any other quarterback and really isolate Campbell's play. Okay, take the bad plays that YOU think were definitely the fault of offensive linemen and wide receivers and don't consider these in evaluating Campbell's play. Now look at the rest of the plays and then tell me how he did. If you can't find these mistakes from the last game that Campbell was responsible for then let me know - turnovers, missed touchdowns/big plays, and awful pocket presence (leading to undue pressure and sacks).

I think everything on offense is predicated on and ran through the quarterback. That's why I really believe that the most important thing is to fix that position first, because it is the most important (position) to the offense. To me, you really have to look at the most important positions first to fix things because of the impact they have to their unit and thus their team. Usually, I think one of the last positions that you would consider important on the list is probably a blocker on kickoff returns.[/quote]

Its a losing battle. You will not convince the believers. No argument will make them see. Just be content with the fact that the people who watch the film for a living see what you are seeing. Jaws called it all night. Greg Cossel has made the point ad nauseam. On this board Slingin' Sammy has it in black and white in his review. The old adage is "the eye in the sky doesn't lie" not "numbers are truth." If you can't see that Campbell is frankly scared to make passes then you are not watching. You can make all of the excuses you like, the guy refuses to throw into tight windows. I have said it before and Sammy said it nicely in his game review, without the ability to make quick reads, play with timing, and throw into tight windows you are a backup quarterback at the NFL level. That is what we have with Campbell. Next man.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;618651]Its a losing battle. You will not convince the believers. [B]No argument will make them see. Just be content with the fact that the people who watch the film for a living see what you are seeing. Jaws called it all night. Greg Cossel has made the point ad nauseam[/B]. On this board Slingin' Sammy has it in black and white in his review. The old adage is "the eye in the sky doesn't lie" not "numbers are truth." If you can't see that Campbell is frankly scared to make passes then you are not watching. You can make all of the excuses you like, the guy refuses to throw into tight windows. I have said it before and Sammy said it nicely in his game review, without the ability to make quick reads, play with timing, and throw into tight windows you are a backup quarterback at the NFL level. That is what we have with Campbell. Next man.[/quote]

Yeah, it appears that the campbell defenders won't even listen to some of the most respected experts linked to the nfl. Even when these experts make it a point to start off their analysis of the redskins losing with a focus on campbell's play.

My opinion doesn't have a lot of weight and rightfully so, but you have to really listen when someone like Steve Young (who I think has earned his respect) starts his analysis by saying Campbell played a bad game and continues it by putting focus on some of his mistakes.

The analysis of these experts also should be used to judge Campbell's play more than the stats. And I don't think there's any analysis that has expressed that Campbell has been playing "very well" up to this point.

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I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;618651]Its a losing battle. You will not convince the believers. No argument will make them see. Just be content with the fact that the people who watch the film for a living see what you are seeing. Jaws called it all night. Greg Cossel has made the point ad nauseam. On this board Slingin' Sammy has it in black and white in his review. The old adage is "the eye in the sky doesn't lie" not "numbers are truth." If you can't see that Campbell is frankly scared to make passes then you are not watching. You can make all of the excuses you like, the guy refuses to throw into tight windows. I have said it before and Sammy said it nicely in his game review, without the ability to make quick reads, play with timing, and throw into tight windows you are a backup quarterback at the NFL level. That is what we have with Campbell. Next man.[/quote]

I'm a JC believer and I agree with what you said but not everyone the believes in him or supports him is in denial that he needs to work on things. JC is timid to throw into tight windows that is correct I agree 100% and some of that is that he doesn't trust his receivers. I've watched JC from his college days until now I'm a huge SEC fan period and I know what the fellow can do. All I said is part of his problem is previous coaching hammering him with "Don't Lose The Game" mentality has hurt him now he doesn't take risk as much. I just found out that we don't have audibles in our offense so if the defense in a certain coverage he can't audibles into other plays. Peyton is so successful because he actually changes plays at the line to move down field. If the blitz is coming but a playaction pass is called truth be told he is probably going to take that sack or call a timeout. So he's limited in certain areas more than other QB's that's not his fault, but he is not playing well at all and has happy feet but it comes from him not trusting his line and receivers.

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[quote=Buster;618536]:silly:

Someone said JC is doing the "Brunell dink-and dunk" and claimed he doesn't go downfield, so I posted his long completions for each week. Standard stat, I thought! :D[/quote]

Don't worry, it wasn't too difficult to understand.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;618661]I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. [B]Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself[/B]. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....[/quote]


I didn't know this. In hindsight, I think that was very important to note. An athlete won't be able to succeed for very long, if you have to battle to convince him to believe in himself.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;618661]I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

[b]Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....[/b][/quote]

One or two other people have also brought up that comparison and I actually think it is a good one. By the numbers (if we must) ...

Brunell 2006:
Through 9 weeks
TOTAL: 162/260 (62.3%), 1,789 yds, 8 TD, 4 INT, 86.5 rating, 92 rush yds

Campbell:
Through 7 weeks
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds

The obvious answer is that in 2006 we had a first round QB on the bench and needed to get him in the game, in 2009 we do not have that option. Brunell was also 35 years old. Fair enough. Brunell was also more successful in his career than Campbell ever will be, unfortunately.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;618664]I'm a JC believer and I agree with what you said but not everyone the believes in him or supports him is in denial that he needs to work on things. JC is timid to throw into tight windows that is correct I agree 100% and some of that is that he doesn't trust his receivers. I've watched JC from his college days until now I'm a huge SEC fan period and I know what the fellow can do. [B]All I said is part of his problem is previous coaching hammering him with "Don't Lose The Game" mentality has hurt him now he doesn't take risk as much[/B]. I just found out that we don't have audibles in our offense so if the defense in a certain coverage he can't audibles into other plays. Peyton is so successful because he actually changes plays at the line to move down field. [B]If the blitz is coming but a playaction pass is called truth be told he is probably going to take that sack or call a timeout. So he's limited in certain areas more than other QB's that's not his fault, but he is not playing well at all and has happy feet but it comes from him not trusting his line and receivers.[/B][/quote]

This probably is all true, but when do you hold him accountable for his own actions and the mistakes that was under his control?

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If i could post new threads, i would post the article where they talk to Al Borges about JC. It was on NFL.com...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;618691]If i could post new threads, i would post the article where they talk to Al Borges about JC. It was on NFL.com...[/quote]

a very good lesson here, if you look back a few pages OR do a search for Borges. You would see that link has already been posted in THIS VERY THREAD :)

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32242-campbells-numbers-dont-lie-56.html#post615466"]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32242-campbells-numbers-dont-lie-56.html#post615466[/URL]

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Good Call...i am new to the site...i am a transplant from the great extremeskins purge of 2009...i've noticed that many members have joined here from there in the last couple of days...i recognize the screen names...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;618699]Good Call...i am new to the site...i am a transplant from the great extremeskins purge of 2009...i've noticed that many members have joined here from there in the last couple of days...i recognize the screen names...[/quote]

A purge eh? What happened?

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The WP is like the Pitcairn Island of the Skins, board world?

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They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today.

The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;618661]Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....[/quote]Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;618712]They just started getting ridiculous with the permanent bans. I myself got banned for life last night. They gave no reason. I suspected that some of my posts were unpopular with the moderators. I had been there since 2005 with no incidents whatsoever, and then last night got permanently banned. No lie, within the past month, i know of at least 50 people who have been banned for life. I saw 5 or 6 of them on here today.

The board over there is a mess...one guy named "Jumbo", apparantly launched into a racial tirade last night....they even called in about it today on 106.7 The Fan.....its just a couple bad mods ruined it for everyone...[/quote]

Welcome to the best Skins board in existence then. You'll enjoy it here, a lot of us actually use our brains.

I bet Vinny Cerrato threatened the ES mods to tighten things up. :D

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[quote=Buster;618720]Welcome to the best Skins board in existence then. You'll enjoy it here, a lot of us actually use our brains.

I bet Vinny Cerrato threatened the ES mods to tighten things up. :D[/quote]

Thanks, Man.

I seriously wish someone would start a thread off-topic somewhere where all of us old ex Extremeskins members could re-unite and stuff.

It's just plain crazy over there...like seriously no other message board among the NFL could be that bad. I can't believe they let the moderators over there do what they are doing. The mods got all angry because they were accused of censoring on the SportsJunkies show, banned all people that voiced the opinion that they were, and were calling people names.

I asked last night in allegation of the censorship charges, did anyone regret officially merging with the team back in 2005, now in hindsight...."Jumbo" one of the mods told me i was too stupid to post here and warned others who agreed with me that they too would be "cut from the herd".

Good stuff though, as this helps WP's ranks grow. Ironically, after i was banned, somebody started a thread called "F Dan Snyder"...the thread was closed, and the person lifetime banned.....go figure

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;618715]Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.[/quote]Brunell's problem was that his defense was trash and he had a first round prospect breathing down his neck. No one really thought of him as anything more than a caretaker anyway.

Campbell's issue appears to be that he's been handed a "now or never" scenario, and then given a team with no chance to win now. It's pretty obvious that Campbell is not the right quarterback for this team. Campbell's defense is not trash, it's giving him plenty of chances to win games, but the expectation from the front office is that Campbell leads an offensive resurgence that scores lots of points.

You're getting a lot of fumbles and interceptions and careless play from Campbell that seem to just be a result of the situation. Erratic quarterback play is not what this team requires right now, but the front office pretty much got what they asked for.

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

BTW, there's a lot of interest in Campbell around the league right now, specifically from franchises out west. I would not be surprised if Matt Hasselbeck was the quarterback here next year.

Just saying.