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[quote=British Andy;881685]Just a little bit excited then...? Deep down....?[/quote]

I think the image of Manning in Burgundy and Gold would get any Skins fan excited...whole lotta things gotta happen for it to be possible.

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Look guys, I appreciate that there are lots of its and buts here and the jury on whether he is fit is still out and there would be few guarantees anyway. But to go from Rex to Peyton is a huge upturn. And there are no knock on effects come the draft.

Manning....Bowe....Reiff....Foles/Weeden (Round 2). Add that to Helu, Davis, Hankerson etc.

Sudenly we don't look so bad on offense......

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I'd rather have:

Robert Griffin III
Roy Helu
Evan Royster
Leonard Hankerson
FA WR
Draft WR
Fred Davis
Chris Cooley

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[quote=British Andy;881689]Look guys, I appreciate that there are lots of its and buts here and the jury on whether he is fit is still out and there would be few guarantees anyway. But to go from Rex to Peyton is a huge upturn. And there are no knock on effects come the draft.

Manning....Bowe....Reiff....Foles/Weeden (Round 2). Add that to Helu, Davis, Hankerson etc.

Sudenly we don't look so bad on offense......[/quote]

would you rather have Manning or Luck? Easy question right?

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[quote=British Andy;881685]Just a little bit excited then...? Deep down....?[/quote]
...........guilty...
AND Welcome to the WP..BA!

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Yeah all of those ifs, buts, and things that need to fall into place are not even close to happening to this point, so to say I am gitty for PM becoming a Redskin is not quite were we are right now.

Eagerly waiting to see how this offseason and acquisition of players goes before I am gitty,

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[quote=Hog1;881703]...........guilty...
AND Welcome to the WP..BA![/quote]

Thanks for the welcome. Am always guilty of being optimistic but hopefully with good reason this year.....

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I find it hard to get excited about someone that will be so obviously temporary.

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I'm starting to get excited about Kyle Orton. Well, not really, but I'd like to see what they could do with ALL their picks and free agency. The Skins could be rock solid at every position BUT QB going into 2013. Then, I wouldn't care how many picks they gave up to land the QB of the future. Orton could be a 20TD 10INT guy. That would have been worth 5 more wins last year, IMHO.

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[quote=44Deezel;881784]I'm starting to get excited about Kyle Orton. Well, not really, but I'd like to see what they could do with ALL their picks and free agency. The Skins could be rock solid at every position BUT QB going into 2013. Then, I wouldn't care how many picks they gave up to land the QB of the future. Orton could be a 20TD 10INT guy. That would have been worth 5 more wins last year, IMHO.[/quote]

Rock soild at every position except QB? If you don't have a QB you have nothing. Your plan has us throwing away 2012. I would rather be weak in a few areas and very good at QB. Sort of like the Giants, Patriots & Packers...

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[quote=celts32;881803]Rock soild at every position except QB? If you don't have a QB you have nothing. Your plan has us throwing away 2012. I would rather be weak in a few areas and very good at QB. Sort of like like the Giants, Patriots & Packers...[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881691]I'd rather have:

Robert Griffin III
Roy Helu
Evan Royster
Leonard Hankerson
FA WR
Draft WR
Fred Davis
Chris Cooley[/quote]

Add a LT drafted and an other OL....I'm in!!!

Look, I have a TON of respect for Manning. But we need to identify our guy for the next 10-15available years who we can build our franchise around. No to PM....
Yes to RG3....or Luck.

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[quote=Son Of Man;881829]Add a LT drafted and an other OL....I'm in!!!

[RIGHT] Look, I have a TON of respect for Manning. But we need to identify [B]our guy for the next 10-15available years who we can build our franchise around[/B]. No to PM....
[/RIGHT]
Yes to RG3....or Luck.[/quote]
I hear what your saying but I think there are probably 15 or 20 teams out there (if they are being honest) looking for the same thing. Not to many star caliber QB's and only sooooo many draft picks to trade.....

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[quote=Son Of Man;881829]Add a LT drafted and an other OL....I'm in!!!

Look, I have a TON of respect for Manning. But we need to identify our guy for the next 10-15available years who we can build our franchise around. No to PM....
Yes to RG3....or Luck.[/quote]

We already have a drafted LT. Trent Williams.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881863]We already have a drafted LT. Trent Williams.[/quote]

My bad. Meant to type RT.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/3/2768241/rg3-to-rams-bradford-to-redskins]RG3 to Rams; Bradford to Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

For a 1st this year & next year, I would do it.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;881919][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/3/2768241/rg3-to-rams-bradford-to-redskins]RG3 to Rams; Bradford to Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

For a 1st this year & next year, I would do it.[/quote]

the more i think about it, i wouldnt give up 2 1st round picks for him. he was a 1st round pick and if the rams want to get rid of him he loses some value IMO. i would give up this years 1st and next years 3rd or 4th round pick.

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[quote=redskins5044;881924]the more i think about it, i wouldnt give up 2 1st round picks for him. he was a 1st round pick and if the rams want to get rid of him he loses some value IMO. i would give up this years 1st and next years 3rd or 4th round pick.[/quote]


If we could get him for that I would do that but I don't think that will get him, RGIII & Luck will take so much more. Not losing our 2nd round pick allows us to trade back & still get more/good picks IMO.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;881927]If we could get him for that I would do that but I don't think that will get him, RGIII & Luck will take so much more. Not losing our 2nd round pick allows us to trade back & still get more/good picks IMO.[/quote]

i agree if we attempt to get luck or rg3 we arent going to have many draft picks left. i just think if the rams take RG3 then they are de-vauling bradford and doesnt warrant 2 1st round picks.

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[quote=redskins5044;881929]i agree if we attempt to get luck or rg3 we arent going to have many draft picks left. i just think if the rams take RG3 then they are de-vauling bradford and doesnt warrant 2 1st round picks.[/quote]

Fisher might look at RGIII like McNair they are/were both mobile/accurate/leaders.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;881931]Fisher might look at RGIII like McNair they are/were both mobile/accurate/leaders.[/quote]

i agree, just think that it makes Bradford cheaper.

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I would NOT give up 2 firsts for Sam Bradford.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881936]I would [B]NOT[/B] give up 2 firsts for Sam Bradford.[/quote]
^^^^^^^

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[quote=redskins5044;881929]i agree if we attempt to get luck or rg3 we arent going to have many draft picks left. i just think if the rams take RG3 then they are de-vauling bradford and doesnt warrant 2 1st round picks.[/quote]

that is a very good point. Thinking Bradford could potentially come "on the cheap" might actually raise his value in other teams wanting to trade for him though.

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[quote=redskins5044;881929]i agree if we attempt to get luck or rg3 we arent going to have many draft picks left. i just think if the rams take RG3 then they are de-vauling bradford and doesnt warrant 2 1st round picks.[/quote]

Where do you get the logic that we won't have many picks left. We could get him only losing a 2nd rounder this year.

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I smell desperation to get a QB. This talk of giving a ton to get a Qb is crazy.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881945]Where do you get the logic that we won't have many picks left. We could get him only losing a 2nd rounder this year.[/quote]

Please expalin, I know the fact that they have the rookie salary cap/scale that has to be counted when trading for Bradford based on his remaining contract.

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Sam Bradford has great stuff, I'd take him over RG3.

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[quote=Evilgrin;881954]Sam Bradford has great stuff, I'd take him over RG3.[/quote]

I don't always refer to stats, but in this case I feel it's warranted. Of 34 QB's ranked for the 2011 season Grossman was ranked 29th with a QB rating of 72.4 and 57.9 completion percentage. Bradford was ranked 30th, 70.5 QB rating and a 53.5 completion percentage.

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Some places report that this is what it will take to get RG3 by trading up with the Rams,

WHAT WOULD IT COST: 2012 First Round Pick (No. 6 overall, 1600 points), 2012 Second Round Pick (No. 39 overall, 510 points), a 2012 Fourth Round Pick (No. 102 overall, 92 points), and a 2013 Second Round Pick (450 points, give or take).

*Ive seen sites that report this as the price, but Ive also seen one that replaces the second rounder this year with the skins 3rd rounder this year, and adds in Fred Davis.

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[quote=BuckSkin;881957]I don't always refer to stats, but in this case I feel it's warranted. Of 34 QB's ranked for the 2011 season Grossman was ranked 29th with a QB rating of 72.4 and 57.9 completion percentage. Bradford was ranked 30th, 70.5 QB rating and a 53.5 completion percentage.[/quote]



Keep in mind just how bad the talent is on the Rams offense. They have worse receivers than we do in my opinion. Basically they have Stephen Jackson and Brandon Lloyd.

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[quote=Mechanix544;881958]Some places report that this is what it will take to get RG3 by trading up with the Rams,

WHAT WOULD IT COST: 2012 First Round Pick (No. 6 overall, 1600 points), 2012 Second Round Pick (No. 39 overall, 510 points), a 2012 Fourth Round Pick (No. 102 overall, 92 points), and a 2013 Second Round Pick (450 points, give or take).

*Ive seen sites that report this as the price, but Ive also seen one that replaces the second rounder this year with the skins 3rd rounder this year, and adds in Fred Davis.[/quote]

And I would do that trade in a second.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881863]We already have a drafted LT. Trent Williams.[/quote]


I kinda wonder if Trent wouldn't be a better fit at RT. Khalil at LT and Williams at RT? Or Riley Reiff? Either way, even if stand pat at #6, we should end up with an instant impact player.

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[quote=BuckSkin;881957]I don't always refer to stats, but in this case I feel it's warranted. Of 34 QB's ranked for the 2011 season Grossman was ranked 29th with a QB rating of 72.4 and 57.9 completion percentage. Bradford was ranked 30th, 70.5 QB rating and a 53.5 completion percentage.[/quote]

Did you by any chance see his receivers last year? I'm sorry, but if any very young quarterback gets a mulligan due to piss poor coaching and maybe the worst receiving corps in the history of the league, its Sam Bradford this past season.

He is a top ten quarterback in the league, no doubt in my mind. Gotta keep him upright and give him people that dont drop EVERY damn ball thrown to them.

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[quote=Mechanix544;881965]Did you by any chance see his receivers last year? I'm sorry, but if any very young quarterback gets a mulligan due to piss poor coaching and maybe the worst receiving corps in the history of the league, its Sam Bradford this past season.

He is a top ten quarterback in the league, no doubt in my mind. Gotta keep him upright and give him people that dont drop EVERY damn ball thrown to them.[/quote]

Top 10? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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Give him time to fling the ball, and even OUR receivers. He would succeed, trust me. Last season didn't really count in my eyes. The rams were an absolute complete mess. He is still just in his third year. He'll get there.

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[quote=Mechanix544;881970]Give him time to fling the ball, and even OUR receivers. He would succeed, trust me. Last season didn't really count in my eyes. The rams were an absolute complete mess. He is still just in his third year. He'll get there.[/quote]

He'll get there and top 10 are two different things.

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If Bradford was an UFA, yeah go get him. I just don't feel he's worth a 1st round draft pick or a player drafted in the first round.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881972]He'll get there and top 10 are two different things.[/quote]

semantics. I guess I should have said top 10 "talent".

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Jeff George and Ryan Leaf were top 10 talents too.