Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1161057]If you really think Kirk single handedly lost the game yesterday you are nuts. He had constant pressure in his face, I'd place more of the blame for the loss on the OL than anything.

And oh yeah, the Giants D is pretty damn good for anyone who wasn't paying attention all year. It's definitely a D they could ride all the way to Houston.[/QUOTE]



He did have constant pressure in his face, but that is what your legs are for. Some of those sacks he took were horrendous. Snacks took about 4 steps right at him and I swear to God Kirk did not even see him. There were a few other times where I was thinking "dude run "! His awareness and his mobility were just pure shit yesterday. I know he is not a running quarterback but that was straight garbage yesterday.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1161052]I am pretty much leaning this way too. KC is not worth the money they are going to give him.
Scot working his magic though? I guess. Have not seen magic for the first couple years. Dude is firing blanks. There is really not a single player, coach, or front office guy that I consider magic right now.
That whole "there is a new attitude at Redskins Park " thing sounds nice but it is bullshit. This is the same mediocre team with the ability to switch gears and become piss poor at any moment that i have been watching for the last 20 something years.[/quote]

I may be giving Scot too much credit, but I'd still continue to put my trust in him. He still has a better track record than anyone we've had in that position since Bobby, imo. Save the money at QB for now, and spend it on the lines.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1161056]Punch this is a great post and really sums up how a lot of people must feel right now. I don't know that we ever saw anything "different" this year - like you said, we have always been a team that can play great football but at a moments notice turns into a shit team from top to bottom. We are still consistently over matched, and out-coached week in and week out.



I like Jay but i get so tired of hearing him say every week "we were out coached". That's on HIM to fix, and so far he doesn't seem to be able to do it.



Question on Cousins - hearing lots of grumblings this morning on message board and twitter and the like that say the Skins are going to franchise tag him again - what will then be his price for Franchise tag #2, and can the Redskins keep tagging Cousins instead of signing him long-term?[/QUOTE]



I think it is 24 and if they did it a third time it would be something outrageous that is not feasible. I mean we do have a ton of cap room so the tag for this year could be ok. We would still be able to fix the D - considering Scot doesn't take a shit on draft day again or go shopping for garbage in free agency.
If we go into next season with a better D, and all these weapons on O and Kirk craps the bed again than we have to just move on. Stats are really great and all, but you have to be able to shine, or even just manage, in big games or you are really worthless at the end of the day.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=InsanePianist21;1161063]I may be giving Scot too much credit, but I'd still continue to put my trust in him. He still has a better track record than anyone we've had in that position since Bobby, imo. Save the money at QB for now, and spend it on the lines.[/QUOTE]



Well if you are using Vinny as a measuring stick than yes he is better. Lol. Beathard was the man. I would settle for someone with a third of his abilities.
I agree about the lines. It is what Scot himself preaches. It is what wins. Our interior on both lines is effing laughable.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1161065]Well if you are using Vinny as a measuring stick than yes he is better. Lol. Beathard was the man. I would settle for someone with a third of his abilities.
I agree about the lines. It is what Scot himself preaches. It is what wins. Our interior on both lines is effing laughable.[/quote]

At the end of the game in my drunken state, I was telling my buddies "get rid of DJax too, F*** it!" I was annoyed with his attitude, but on second thought he has every right to have that attitude...

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1160975]My opinion on Kirk didn't change today. He's a guy you can build around and win with. Pay him.[/quote]

My opinion hasnt changed either.Kirk played today like I thought he would,he hasnt shown he can handle the pressure of big games and he shit the bed.The off line didnt help him,the run blocking was shit,but Kirk did himself no favors,he did not play well.I cant help but think Colt would have played better today against the pressure with his mobility.Kirk needs to move around in the pocket more and run occasionally,he has the legs,he's not Dan Marino back there.And that stupid pistol formation they run with Kirk,it never works because Kirk never runs with it.{well it never works for the rb,it occasionally works when they do let Kirk carry it}
Getting back to Colt.I do think he would have handled the pressure of the game and the Giants defense today.Do I think Colt is better then Kirk,no I dont.Do I want Colt to be the starter,no I dont.I'm just saying I think he would have been better today against the Giants,hell he couldnt have been worse.
We have no choice,we need to resign Kirk.Franchise qb's dont grow on trees.Just look at what Houston got with Osweiller.Is Kirk going to be worth the money?We dont know yet,would you say he was worth the 17 mil he made this year? As far as stats go yes,results in winning games,probably not,it's debatable.
But we have no choice,we have to resign him and hope next year he plays better under pressure,defense and playcalling improve,Gruden gets ahold of his clock management:mad: and then just maybe Kirk will live up to his contract.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=InsanePianist21;1161049]Went to 3 games this year

- vs. Dallas - He stunk up the joint missed on 3 deep balls that would've been TD's, definitely Kirk cost us that one.

- vs. Green Bay - Fun one to be at, but he looked mediocre until about 4 minutes to go

- vs. Carolina - He was Mark Sanchez.

Can't suffer through this anymore. Let him walk. He couldn't get us 2 TD's that would've sent us to Seattle. Pathetic. Our D really stepped up and Kirk couldn't deliver. Hard to blame anyone else, even with Jay's usual T.O. snafu end of 1st half.

I really hope they let him walk, and put that money into the trenches.

20/24 mil? no freakin way. Unless they can get him for 14-15M which they can't. Done with this choke artist. Still better than RG3 ofc, but is constantly missing wide open receivers for would be TD's. You don't reward those kind of mistakes with a Rogers or Big Ben type contract. Let the Browns or someone else take him.

I'd rather go with Colt next year for 1-2M. Let McCloughhy work his magic and see what happens.[/QUOTE]
And I've Been to 2 of his games both on the road and he lit it up

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Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1161074]My opinion hasnt changed either.Kirk played today like I thought he would,he hasnt shown he can handle the pressure of big games and he shit the bed.The off line didnt help him,the run blocking was shit,but Kirk did himself no favors,he did not play well.I cant help but think Colt would have played better today against the pressure with his mobility.Kirk needs to move around in the pocket more and run occasionally,he has the legs,he's not Dan Marino back there.And that stupid pistol formation they run with Kirk,it never works because Kirk never runs with it.{well it never works for the rb,it occasionally works when they do let Kirk carry it}
Getting back to Colt.I do think he would have handled the pressure of the game and the Giants defense today.Do I think Colt is better then Kirk,no I dont.Do I want Colt to be the starter,no I dont.I'm just saying I think he would have been better today against the Giants,hell he couldnt have been worse.
We have no choice,we need to resign Kirk.Franchise qb's dont grow on trees.Just look at what Houston got with Osweiller.Is Kirk going to be worth the money?We dont know yet,would you say he was worth the 17 mil he made this year? As far as stats go yes,results in winning games,probably not,it's debatable.
But we have no choice,we have to resign him and hope next year he plays better under pressure,defense and playcalling improve,Gruden gets ahold of his clock management:mad: and then just maybe Kirk will live up to his contract.[/QUOTE]
Over reaction Monday bro. Calm down. No chance colt McCoy plays better yesterday. Folks around the league and former QBs, (favre, bradshaw, dilfer) etc have all said KC is a franchise QB. If we let him walk that could set us back a long time.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Sounds like this site will turn to absolute carnage if Cousins gets a 25 million per year long term contract OR they let him walk. There seems to be a legitimate 50/50 split on how Cousins is viewed here.

My feelings, are offer him 5 years/100 million, take it or leave it. Its still a lot of money, compared to other yearly numbers being thrown out there it still leaves some extra for other players. And that's more than he's making this year, but its not Aaron Rodgers money either, because he doesn't deserve that type money.

That interception to end the season was one of the dumbest passes I've ever seen. It was 1st and 10 with about a minute and a half left, and we still had 2 timeouts. What the fuck was he thinking throwing it over the middle like that. I thought that was getting picked as soon as he threw it. And its not his 1st time making dumb ass decisions like that. If he doesn't fix that shit, he isn't going to be worth my proposed 20 million a year either, but you have to risk it because the options out there aren't great, unless we're trying to get Deshaun Watson or something with our 1st pick, which would also be really risky.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I am a KC supporter and believe in his smarts, work ethic, and strong, accurate throwing. But I am deeply shaken by his inability to perform well under pressure. I think this is not only true in big games, but also in within games, meaning when we get into the red zone. Pressure makes some players (and all the great players) better. Kirk tightens up under pressure. So you can aggregate all his stats and decide to be impressed, but success in this league means succeeding in increasingly more high-pressure situations leading into and through the playoffs.

I love watching our team now on 3rd and 6 in the 2nd quarter of a game in the middle of the season against an average team. Kirk looks scary good completing a 20 yard pass to Crowder or Reed. But I am rapidly losing confidence in his ability to do that when we have to win against a Dallas or NYG. He doesn't have the killer instinct. He doesn't improvise under pressure. He crumbles.

Maybe he needs some killer-instinct guys around him to help rev up the energy level of the team. But seeing how badly he plays in must-win games is deeply troubling.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

He had 8 4th quarter drives to put us ahead or win the game. How many more does he need to have that killer instinct?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

As of now, Cousins is a Sunday at 10:00 a.m. player.

Move him into primetime, big games, and, for the most part, he lays an egg. That was a huge t-rex dinosaur egg he laid on that interception yesterday.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=OmahaRedskins;1161092]He had 8 4th quarter drives to put us ahead or win the game. How many more does he need to have that killer instinct?[/quote]

Who did these games come against? I know last year, he had 2 versus 2 non-playoff teams, the Bucs and Eagles. What were the other 6?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1161094]Who did these games come against? I know last year, he had 2 versus 2 non-playoff teams, the Bucs and Eagles. What were the other 6?[/quote]

It was discussed on Cooley and Kevin today.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=OmahaRedskins;1161095]It was discussed on Cooley and Kevin today.[/quote]

To me, that's just another good stat, he has lots of those. But he's also laid lots of eggs in the big games and those matter the most. As of now, he does not play nearly good enough in big games to have any confidence in him in those situations. I still can't get over that interception. So stupid.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1161092]He had 8 4th quarter drives to put us ahead or win the game. How many more does he need to have that killer instinct?[/QUOTE]



Just one or two when the season's on the line.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1161085]Over reaction Monday bro. Calm down. No chance colt McCoy plays better yesterday. Folks around the league and former QBs, (favre, bradshaw, dilfer) etc have all said KC is a franchise QB. If we let him walk that could set us back a long time.[/quote]

It's almost not even debating with most of this fanbase. In the NFL staying the course and not over reacting is what the smart organizations do. We'll see where we're at as an organization this off season.

KC didn't get it done yesterday. But his overall body of work speaks for itself. He's the best Qb we've had here in a long while. Let's not forget that.

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Skins fans are so used to blowing things up every couple of years this is just par for the course.

I find it odd that some can't see the progress. From 2004 - 2014 we finished last 8 of those years. 8 times. So far with McCloughan we have a winning record, a division title, and were competing for the playoffs right down until the final game this year.

But yeah let's let Cousins walk, hand the ball to McCoy, and fire the coordinators. Sounds like a recipe for a Super Bowl title next year doesn't it?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1161122]Skins fans are so used to blowing things up every couple of years this is just par for the course.

I find it odd that some can't see the progress. From 2004 - 2014 we finished last 8 of those years. 8 times. So far with McCloughan we have a winning record, a division title, and were competing for the playoffs right down until the final game this year.

But yeah let's let Cousins walk, hand the ball to McCoy, and fire the coordinators. Sounds like a recipe for a Super Bowl title next year doesn't it?[/quote]

Lol. Comical. Blow it up guys, we're not on the path to be a dynasty.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1161122]Skins fans are so used to blowing things up every couple of years this is just par for the course.

I find it odd that some can't see the progress. From 2004 - 2014 we finished last 8 of those years. 8 times. So far with McCloughan we have a winning record, a division title, and were competing for the playoffs right down until the final game this year.

But yeah let's let Cousins walk, hand the ball to McCoy, and fire the coordinators. Sounds like a recipe for a Super Bowl title next year doesn't it?[/quote]


Dallas fans wanted Tony gone too and look what happened last yr... They all started loving him after they saw how good he really is.. They got lucky with Dak and it wont last, he's not a good enough passer to keep up the success. I am disappointed in how many fans are already calling for Kirk and Jay to be let go...

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=HTTR;1161091]I am a KC supporter and believe in his smarts, work ethic, and strong, accurate throwing. But I am deeply shaken by his inability to perform well under pressure. I think this is not only true in big games, but also in within games, meaning when we get into the red zone. Pressure makes some players (and all the great players) better. Kirk tightens up under pressure. So you can aggregate all his stats and decide to be impressed, but success in this league means succeeding in increasingly more high-pressure situations leading into and through the playoffs.

I love watching our team now on 3rd and 6 in the 2nd quarter of a game in the middle of the season against an average team. Kirk looks scary good completing a 20 yard pass to Crowder or Reed. But I am rapidly losing confidence in his ability to do that when we have to win against a Dallas or NYG. He doesn't have the killer instinct. He doesn't improvise under pressure. He crumbles.

Maybe he needs some killer-instinct guys around him to help rev up the energy level of the team. But seeing how badly he plays in must-win games is deeply troubling.[/QUOTE]


Very sad, but very true.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1161085]Over reaction Monday bro. Calm down. No chance colt McCoy plays better yesterday. Folks around the league and former QBs, (favre, bradshaw, dilfer) etc have all said KC is a franchise QB. If we let him walk that could set us back a long time.[/quote]

LOL I am calm,I'm not one of the ones screaming dont resign him.And to say no chance Colt plays better is purely speculation on your part,just as it was on mine.I think everyone agrees Kirk did not play well yesterday.2 bad picks and no es-capability out of the pocket.To say Colt couldnt have come in and and did better than throwing 2 costly picks and only putting 10 points on the board is not unrealistic on my part.
But again,let me reiterate,I am not calling on Colt to be the starter.I do think Colt can handle the pressure of a big game better and to think he could have not done better yesterday is not unrealistic.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Best QB play in 20 years here except one year out of RG3. A few things one must look at the Redskin running game is erratic and has a habit of being non existent from time to time. We all know about how unreliable the defense is. Those are things that put extra pressure on a QB and gives an advantage to the opponent's defense knowing the Redskins have to throw, even in the red zone. You have a QB who threw for just short of 5,000 yards and a 97 rating.
Combine that with a weak college QB class and Colin Kaepernick being one of the better NFL free agent QBs (he will opt out of his contract)and one must think anyone thinking of letting Kirk walk is completely insane.

If they still don't trust Kirk franchise him for $24 mil and pick up a QB next year as a few of this year's underclassmen might be worth a 2nd-3rd round shot next year.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

the biggest disappointment I have with KC is two fold.....

1) he gets rattled & can't seem to shake it for the whole game
2) he threw that last INT off his back foot- the same silly shit he did last year

So, if it those things haven't gotten better, why give him a long term raise?

It will be interesting to see where the coaches weigh in...is Kirk successful because of his talents or is he successful because they've set him up to be?

Colt McCoy & Sudfeld can miss the playoffs for us for a whole lot less than paying choke-boy a king's ransom.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Bangee7;1161152]the biggest disappointment I have with KC is two fold.....

1) he gets rattled & can't seem to shake it for the whole game
2) he threw that last INT off his back foot- the same silly shit he did last year

So, if it those things haven't gotten better, why give him a long term raise?

It will be interesting to see where the coaches weigh in...is Kirk successful because of his talents or is he successful because they've set him up to be?

Colt McCoy & Sudfeld can miss the playoffs for us for a whole lot less than paying choke-boy a king's ransom.[/quote]

Jay already said he wants kirk back

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1161142]
If they still don't trust Kirk franchise him for $24 mil and pick up a QB next year as a few of this year's underclassmen might be worth a 2nd-3rd round shot next year.[/QUOTE]


That may be the only way to go. I'd offer him 20x5 with some carefully tailored provisions, but I don't think he would take it. It will take us at least another year to get a good feel for whether a replacement is in the wings. Meantime, work like hell on the defense this OS and give careful thought to tagging KC again.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1161059]It's not indifference it's called looking at the big picture and his entire body of work, and not just cherry picking his down performances.

It's also looking at what else is out there and knowing just how hard it is to find a quality QB.

Also, cap room is not going to be an issue. So pay the guy and lock up the most important spot on the field, and let's move on to fixing the D.[/QUOTE]



It's not a black and white thing. To say that this loss shouldn't affect your opinion of him - even overall - is indifference to me.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

... to refuse to look at this performance to evaluate him is, in a sense, a form of denial.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

The contract situation seemed to be distracting him the whole season.

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I'll keep saying it. My solution will make everyone happy- sign Cousins to a long-term deal with an eye towards trading him if you find another qb that you think can take his place.
... what about this would make anyone unhappy? ... give or take or few little minor details

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1161166]It's not a black and white thing. To say that this loss shouldn't affect your opinion of him - even overall - is indifference to me.[/quote]

You're right, it's not black and white. That's why one game, win or lose, doesn't change my mind.

He had a bad game no doubt, but again, I'm looking at his 2 years as our starter.

9083 yards, 54 TDs vs 23 INTs, 17-14-1 record. Far more good than bad.

If there's someone else out there that can step in and put up equal or better numbers I'm all ears.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1161172]You're right, it's not black and white. That's why one game, win or lose, doesn't change my mind.

He had a bad game no doubt, but again, I'm looking at his 2 years as our starter.

9083 yards, 54 TDs vs 23 INTs, 17-14-1 record. Far more good than bad.

If there's someone else out there that can step in and put up equal or better numbers I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]
I'm a big fan of Trevor simien but I don't see Denver letting him go. That's the only guy I want other than Kirk. Those numbers are damm good without a defense and a RB.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1161172]You're right, it's not black and white. That's why one game, win or lose, doesn't change my mind.



He had a bad game no doubt, but again, I'm looking at his 2 years as our starter.



9083 yards, 54 TDs vs 23 INTs, 17-14-1 record. Far more good than bad.



If there's someone else out there that can step in and put up equal or better numbers I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]



It's not just one game. I'll say what is obvious, but the point of this- games like this far outweigh others.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=HTTR;1161159]That may be the only way to go. [B][B]I'd offer him 20x5 with some carefully tailored provisions,[/B][/B] but I don't think he would take it. It will take us at least another year to get a good feel for whether a replacement is in the wings. Meantime, work like hell on the defense this OS and give careful thought to tagging KC again.[/quote]

Those numbers make sense and might have been around what he could have been signed for last year. Considering Brock Osweiler got $18 mil a year and so did Sam Bradford last year combined with who will be available next season I am afraid a lot of teams will wave way more than $100 mil in Kirk's face.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1161172]You're right, it's not black and white. That's why one game, win or lose, doesn't change my mind.



He had a bad game no doubt, but again, I'm looking at his 2 years as our starter.



9083 yards, 54 TDs vs 23 INTs, 17-14-1 record. Far more good than bad.



If there's someone else out there that can step in and put up equal or better numbers I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]


I'll keep saying it. My solution will make everyone happy- sign Cousins to a long-term deal with an eye towards trading him if you find another qb that you think can take his place.
... what about this would make anyone unhappy? ... give or take a few little minor details

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[B][/B][QUOTE=htownskinfan;1161139]LOL I am calm,I'm not one of the ones screaming dont resign him.And to say no chance Colt plays better is purely speculation on your part,just as it was on mine.I think everyone agrees Kirk did not play well yesterday.2 bad picks and no es-capability out of the pocket.To say Colt couldnt have come in and and did better than throwing 2 costly picks and only putting 10 points on the board is not unrealistic on my part.
But again,let me reiterate,I am not calling on Colt to be the starter.I do think [B]Colt can handle the pressure of a big game better [/B]and to think he could have not done better yesterday is not unrealistic.[/QUOTE

What big game has Colt played in that proves your point?

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I was a Cousins supporter after leading last season's playoff berth, but the way he's handled his contract situation has rubbed me the wrong way. It seems this is more important to him than winning games and how the Redskins are doing. Yeah, get your money but stop acting like you're being disrespected because you're not being offered the $20 million that you think is fair. He should've just left that off the field.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Everyone says that it's just business when asked about it directly, including him. Then stop taking it personal. And if anyone, he should be taking this out on Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen directly and behind closed doors.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Cousins seems to have a big ego. He puts all his self worth in how big of a pay check he's getting. Money don't make the man. And if you feel disrespected on 5 years 100 million then you can take your crocodile tears somewhere else. Sorry you got drafted in the 4th round. Get over it. You still haven't won jack squat to deserve more than that.

I wonder if after the game SM walked up to Kirk and rubbed him on the head disrespectfully and screamed something in his face. Maybe something like nice pass asshole.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I'd rather him say- the Redskins are my team and hopefully everything goes great with negotiations with my agent and the team because I want to be here. And I'd rather him say it genuinely but if it's not sincere, I'd take that too.