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Wentz is good, but he benefited for the 3rd highest rushing offense in the league and a defense mightly improved from Jim Schwartz.

Not taking away from Wentz, but he got a TON of help.

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[quote=irish;1185398]Other than Brady and Rodgers what QBs do team win because of? The answer is none.[/quote]

This is pretty much true, there is only a few ELITE guys

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[quote=Chico23231;1185401]Wentz is good, but he benefited for the 3rd highest rushing offense in the league and a defense mightly improved from Jim Schwartz.

Not taking away from Wentz, but he got a TON of help.[/quote]

Look at the 3rd down conversion rate, it's ridiculous. Dude was incredible on those. Extends the play and makes it where there normally is no play to be made.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185403]Look at the 3rd down conversion rate, it's ridiculous. Dude was incredible on those. Extends the play and makes it where there normally is no play to be made.[/quote]

He's only gonna get better which is scary. He reminds me of Big Ben.

But the extending plays kinda ended his season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185402]This is pretty much true, there is only a few ELITE guys[/quote]

If you like a black and white world, I guess :rolleyes:

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[quote=Chico23231;1185404]He's only gonna get better which is scary. He reminds me of Big Ben.

But the extending plays kinda ended his season.[/quote]

Yeah it did, but he's big like Ben. He'll be able to sustain pretty well in those circumstances. Don't see it going like RGIII where he just can't stay healthy.

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Wentz will be fine as long as he learns how to get down, he has that RG3 take a hit all the time problem

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185409]Wentz will be fine as long as he learns how to get down, he has that RG3 take a hit all the time problem[/quote]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185419]You have no idea what you're talking about.[/quote]

LOL Dude is always running around and not sliding. I watched him do it 4 or 5 times against us alone this yr.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185421]LOL Dude is always running around and not sliding. I watched him do it 4 or 5 times against us alone this yr.[/quote]

That's not even remotely true. It's clear you don't watch Eagles games. I live here, so when I'm not catching the Skins on the ticket, it's the Eagles on TV.

He avoids hits and sustains them as well as anybody. The injury to his knee was a freak thing - he dove towards the goalline and had two players converge on it in mid air from opposite sides.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185424]That's not even remotely true. It's clear you don't watch Eagles games. I live here, so when I'm not catching the Skins on the ticket, it's the Eagles on TV.

He avoids hits and [B]sustains them [/B]as well as anybody. The injury to his knee was a freak thing - he dove towards the goalline and had two players converge on it in mid air from opposite sides.[/quote]

U just made my point, all I was saying is eventually it catches up to u. I know he avoids hits but he also lowers his shoulder or dives for first downs and tds too. That is how he got hurt lol, RG3 got hurt the same way against Baltimore, so I don't see what you are trying to say here, apparently he's invincible?


"I discussed the hit with our digital sports editor Noah Frank, and we both immediately drew parallels between the Wentz hit and the now-famous hit former Redskins QB Robert Griffin III took against the Baltimore Ravens in December 2012. Almost to the day, both former No. 2 overall picks took hits to the leg on a scramble, both men saw their legs bend awkwardly, and both men tried to press on and play anyway."

Hmmm exactly

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185425]U just made my point, all I was saying is eventually it catches up to u. I know he avoids hits but he also lowers his shoulder or dives for first downs and tds too. That is how he got hurt lol, RG3 got hurt the same way against Baltimore, so I don't see what you are trying to say here, apparently he's invincible?


"I discussed the hit with our digital sports editor Noah Frank, and we both immediately drew parallels between the Wentz hit and the now-famous hit former Redskins QB Robert Griffin III took against the Baltimore Ravens in December 2012. Almost to the day, both former No. 2 overall picks took hits to the leg on a scramble, both men saw their legs bend awkwardly, and both men tried to press on and play anyway."

Hmmm exactly[/quote]

I agree with you about CW's style of play is risky but he is also not as fragile as RGIII; so the risk of injury is somewhat medicated when in comparison to RGIII.

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[quote=mredskins;1185426]I agree with you about CW's style of play is risky but he is also not as fragile as RGIII; so the risk of injury is somewhat medicated when in comparison to RGIII.[/quote]

Maybe more Andrew Luck then? But not as extreme obviously

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185425]U just made my point, all I was saying is eventually it catches up to u. I know he avoids hits but he also lowers his shoulder or dives for first downs and tds too. That is how he got hurt lol, RG3 got hurt the same way against Baltimore, so I don't see what you are trying to say here, apparently he's invincible?


"I discussed the hit with our digital sports editor Noah Frank, and we both immediately drew parallels between the Wentz hit and the now-famous hit former Redskins QB Robert Griffin III took against the Baltimore Ravens in December 2012. Almost to the day, both former No. 2 overall picks took hits to the leg on a scramble, both men saw their legs bend awkwardly, and both men tried to press on and play anyway."

Hmmm exactly[/quote]

jsarno? is that you?

You just highlighted the ONE HIT that got him hurt as if it's proof that he's likely to get hurt.

The aggregate of anecdotal evidence is not data.

He doesn't take the shots RG3 did, and when he does get hit, he's a big dude so ends up shrugging a lot of them off. The appropriate comparisons would be Roethlisberger and Andrew Luck. Nobody complains about their penchant to get hurt.

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@Albertbreer "Kirk cousins has said he would consider playing for the browns "

Lmao wow

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185437]@Albertbreer "Kirk cousins has said he would consider playing for the browns "

Lmao wow

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Ohhhhhhhh reallllllly....

:Flush:

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185437]@Albertbreer "Kirk cousins has said he would consider playing for the browns "

Lmao wow

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I mean, if that's the case he definitely ain't in it for the winning lol.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1185439]I mean, if that's the case he definitely ain't in it for the winning lol.[/QUOTE]Im sure it's all for bargaining but that's funny

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I love how Albert Breer throws out speculation that Cousins would consider signing with the Browns and now all of a sudden it's a rumor that has legs.

LOL

If he did, it would be a direct contradiction to what he's been saying, that it's a balance between compensation and winning.

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[quote=Chico23231;1185401]Wentz is good, but he benefited for the 3rd highest rushing offense in the league and a defense mightly improved from Jim Schwartz.

Not taking away from Wentz, but he got a TON of help.[/quote]

Exactly, that is why I don't think it is cut and dry that we keep Kirk. Kirk working with the same bunch of scrubs he has now isn't going to really pay us dividends, and the D still needs an upgrade all over the place. Off topic, but heavily related, when do they decide to increase the salary cap? I read awhile back that they were really going to up the ante, and if so my issue with resigning Kirk is moot!

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[quote=Ivar the Boneless;1185445]Exactly, that is why I don't think it is cut and dry that we keep Kirk. Kirk working with the same bunch of scrubs he has now isn't going to really pay us dividends, and the D still needs an upgrade all over the place. Off topic, but heavily related, when do they decide to increase the salary cap? I read awhile back that they were really going to up the ante, and if so my issue with resigning Kirk is moot![/quote]

Hopefully its not until after he is resigned.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185442]I love how Albert Breer throws out speculation that Cousins would consider signing with the Browns and now all of a sudden it's a rumor that has legs.

LOL

If he did, it would be a direct contradiction to what he's been saying, that it's a balance between compensation and winning.[/quote]

The way I see it is Kirk was asked "come Free Agency, if the Browns come ot you with a big offer, would you consider signing it?" and said "My agent and I would consider all my options and weigh them out" => COUSINS WOULD CONSIDER SIGNING WITH THE BROWNS !

There's nothing there imho, of course he's not gonna say "The Browns??!! You kidding me? Fuck 'em I want to win!"...

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I dare say they could maybe have more ammunition than we'd think. Look at all those picks they have stockpiled. Could be a compelling argument to Kirk.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1185448]I dare say they could maybe have more ammunition than we'd think. Look at all those picks they have stockpiled. Could be a compelling argument to Kirk.[/QUOTE]


Stop, it’s the Browns, there’s probably not a worse situation in all of sports

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1185448]I dare say they could maybe have more ammunition than we'd think. Look at all those picks they have stockpiled. Could be a compelling argument to Kirk.[/quote]

I will say they have a good line and a good RB Duo but it is CLEVELAND we are talking about, I would be shocked if he went there

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1185448]I dare say they could maybe have more ammunition than we'd think. Look at all those picks they have stockpiled. Could be a compelling argument to Kirk.[/quote]

Sign KC, use those two top picks on Barkley and Chubb.
I have always believed KC was more about the money right now than winning. And that's ok. This is his chance to set his family up for generations. So let's not pretend the man is going to take less money now to go play for a contender. Maybe after this nextcontract ends and you are winding down your career. You start to think of that. But the man is going to go where the money is.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;1185451]Sign KC, use those two top picks on Barkley and Chubb.
I have always believed KC was more about the money right now than winning. And that's ok. This is his chance to set his family up for generations. So let's not pretend the man is going to take less money now to go play for a contender. Maybe after this nextcontract ends and you are winding down your career. You start to think of that. But the man is going to go where the money is.[/quote]

So we sign KC and then we somehow steal the Browns first two picks?

Or we trade to Cleveland and someway get 1 and 4 and then you go RB on both?

Dare I say, I have doubts....

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I’d say Kirk is already set up pretty well $$ wise. He just banked $43 million the last two years.

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[quote=Chico23231;1185452]So we sign KC and then we somehow steal the Browns first two picks?

Or we trade to Cleveland and someway get 1 and 4 and then you go RB on both?

Dare I say, I have doubts....[/quote]

I think he meant Chubb in the 2nd rd, but we don't need 2 rbs we just need 1.

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[quote=MTK;1185453]I’d say Kirk is already set up pretty well $$ wise. He just banked $43 million the last two years.[/quote]

Yeah he is looking to be somewhere that actually wants to keep him long term.

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[quote=MTK;1185449]Stop, it’s the Browns, there’s probably not a worse situation in all of sports[/quote]

But one day it has to work out, right? RIGHT?! LOL.

I will agree, I've never seen a team do less with more in the past decade. I swear they luck into a million first round picks and end up screwing it up.

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If I am making decisions in Cleveland, then I would seriously try to sign KC out of the gates. Then trade away the 1 or 4 pick to get an additional 1st rounder (for 3 in the first round) another 2nd and additional rounder. That would add up to 6 first round picks in the last 2 drafts. If you cannot build a foundation from that.....

I am not a Browns fan per se, but I would not overlook them moving forward. Yes, 0-16 sux, but the average point difference in those 16 loses is only 10 points. Compare that to the avg point differential of Washington, 11.7. Even to Dallas, 16 pts.

Point is, when I see the Browns play, they play for 4 quarters and they play hard.
They just need a few more pieces to put the puzzle together.

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Feels like it’s the same story every year with the Browns. They have high picks, everyone drools over who they pick, and pretty much nobody pans out and they lose, lose, lose.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1185459]But one day it has to work out, right? RIGHT?! LOL.

I will agree, I've never seen a team do less with more in the past decade. I swear they luck into a million first round picks and end up screwing it up.[/quote]

The Browns have lucked into a million first round picks? Luck had nothing to do with it, stinking to high heaven did.

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Can we just suck really bad next year and hope #13 from Alabama comes out in the 2019 draft?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1185460]If I am making decisions in Cleveland, then I would seriously try to sign KC out of the gates. Then trade away the 1 or 4 pick to get an additional 1st rounder (for 3 in the first round) another 2nd and additional rounder. That would add up to 6 first round picks in the last 2 drafts. If you cannot build a foundation from that.....

I am not a Browns fan per se, but I would not overlook them moving forward. Yes, 0-16 sux, but the average point difference in those 16 loses is only 10 points. Compare that to the avg point differential of Washington, 11.7. Even to Dallas, 16 pts.

Point is, when I see the Browns play, they play for 4 quarters and they play hard.
They just need a few more pieces to put the puzzle together.[/quote]

With the Browns current team coupled with KC's age. IMO he doesn't really meet a need for them. They are better off drafting a good QB have him at a low salary and build around him.

KC would benefit a team that has a lot of pieces in place but just needs that elusive QB to get them to the next level.

All KC will do for CLE is give them a couple wins and eat up a ton of slary cap space.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1185463]Can we just suck really bad next year and hope #13 from Alabama comes out in the 2019 draft?[/quote]

Totally! Lets hing all of our plans on a kid that had one good half of CFB. Excellent idea.

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I think Kirk is like that HS Girl that really doesn't know what she wants yet...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185466]I think Kirk is like that HS Girl that really doesn't know what she wants yet...[/quote]

Aren't we all man aren't we all.

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[quote=mredskins;1185468]Aren't we all man aren't we all.[/quote]

Can't deny that