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I’m guessing extremeskins?

Who wouldn’t want to win consistently? I’d still take a one year flash in the pan SB win though. A ring is a ring. Who cares how or why.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1189035]wtf is emoskins?[/QUOTE]It is what I call extremeskins as too many folks there remind of emotional high school girls. There are some nice folks I have met there at games when I travelled down. But all too often the board is a suck hole of bitching and whining.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189036]I’m guessing extremeskins?

Who wouldn’t want to win consistently? I’d still take a one year flash in the pan SB win though. A ring is a ring. Who cares how or why.[/QUOTE]I don't mind buying pieces from time to time or to fill what is missing. But the Skins need that core first.

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If you aren't fully on the WP you suck :)

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1189040]If you aren't fully on the WP you suck :)[/QUOTE]I don't post over there anymore I knew one of the guys who started the board. The only thing it used to be good for was insider info. But that has pretty much dried up.

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[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/could-dallas-cowboys-make-a-play-for-kirk-cousins/ar-BBJtRkY[/url]

Here is more fakenews

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1189062][url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/could-dallas-cowboys-make-a-play-for-kirk-cousins/ar-BBJtRkY[/url]



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lol this is just piggybacking off the PFT post

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This thread is straight up retarded. Cousins going to Dallas??

How about Tiger in the mix at the Honda? So good to see him back in contention on a tough course.

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[quote=MTK;1189069]lol this is just piggybacking off the PFT post[/quote]

From the msn link: "We’re not buying this rumor. The Cowboys have a number of other needs — especially on the defensive side of the ball — and selling the farm to land a franchise quarterback, when the team already has one, would be a curious move to say the least."

They're just begging for views, they make articles about things they DON'T think are credible. Awesome.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Blake Bortles agrees to a 3 year $54M deal, I guess Jax is out for Kurt

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189098]Blake Bortles agrees to a 3 year $54M deal, I guess Jax is out for Kurt[/QUOTE]Good fair price for what he brings to the table. If Cousins would be agreeable to 3 years 60 I would have been cool with that.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189099]Good fair price for what he brings to the table. If Cousins would be agreeable to 3 years 60 I would have been cool with that.

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That’s what he wanted 2 years ago, now it’s just not reality

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[quote=Dan73;1189099]Good fair price for what he brings to the table. If Cousins would be agreeable to 3 years 60 I would have been cool with that.

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It's not a fair price. They could do so much better than Bortles. They are overpaying for a shitty QB. About as bad as the Bears paying that cash for that scrub last year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189016]IMO Dan would have been the GOAT if he had a couple rings, that dude was throwing for 300 yards a game when it was a run first league and he never had a good RB[/quote]

Hard to believe Fouts was only two games over .500 as a starter, he not only didn't have much of a running game to help him those Chargers teams had no defense.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189100]That’s what he wanted 2 years ago, now it’s just not reality[/QUOTE]It could be a reality if Kirk had wanted it to be but it is not about I need x amount of dollars or I want to be a Redskin. It is about what the other got.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1189101]It's not a fair price. They could do so much better than Bortles. They are overpaying for a shitty QB. About as bad as the Bears paying that cash for that scrub last year.[/QUOTE]They have a guy who knows their system is reasonable priced given what is going on and allows the Jags to sign players as needed and draft a Qb.

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Yes, cross another team off the list. I think little by little his market is drying up. I think now he might be down to two serious teams in total - Broncos, and New York Jets. If one or both of those teams make a cheaper move at QB, i wonder what happens then. Does it take an injury to get Cousins in there?

Everything that i'm seeing says that Cousins absolutely will not take less than 31 million a season. I wonder if maybe some of the writers are right, that Cousins is pricing himself out basically and that NFL teams aren't going to want to deal with his drama and insistence on playing on one-year contracts. Don't get me wrong I loved Cousins here and was his biggest fan, but i'm starting to feel like there was another side that we didn't see.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1189109]Yes, cross another team off the list. I think little by little his market is drying up. I think now he might be down to two serious teams in total - Broncos, and New York Jets. If one or both of those teams make a cheaper move at QB, i wonder what happens then. Does it take an injury to get Cousins in there?

Everything that i'm seeing says that Cousins absolutely will not take less than 31 million a season. I wonder if maybe some of the writers are right, that Cousins is pricing himself out basically and that NFL teams aren't going to want to deal with his drama and insistence on playing on one-year contracts. Don't get me wrong I loved Cousins here and was his biggest fan, but i'm starting to feel like there was another side that we didn't see.[/QUOTE]Or many chose not to see. Reading some of his interviews about the contracts over the years as well watching him play and reading about practices Kirk has been about himself.

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[quote=Dan73;1189107]It could be a reality if Kirk had wanted it to be but it is not about I need x amount of dollars or I want to be a Redskin. It is about what the other got.

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It's called business.The Redskins refuse to do business with Kirk even after they were fully aware of what he wanted and what it would take to keep him,instead they tag him two years in a row, bad move.Now both will move on. To keep blaming this on Kurt is a joke.

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Definitely ridiculous and way too early to say his market is drying up.

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This whole ****ing thread is a joke at this point.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189117]Definitely ridiculous and way too early to say his market is drying up.[/QUOTE]Every team that signs a Qb is one less destination. Kirk is competing against not only other FAs but the draft.

I think that it is down to Jets Broncos and maybe the Vikings.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189114]It's called business.The Redskins refuse to do business with Kirk even after they were fully aware of what he wanted and what it would take to keep him,instead they tag him two years in a row, bad move.Now both will move on. To keep blaming this on Kurt is a joke.[/QUOTE]The mistake they made was believing they could ever have gotten a deal. They should have traded him and ran with Colt the last season.

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I don’t think the Cardinals, Browns, and Bills can be ruled out. At least one of those teams will be in the mix in addition to the Jets, Broncos, and Vikings.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189123]I don’t think the Cardinals, Browns, and Bills can be ruled out. At least one of those teams will be in the mix in addition to the Jets, Broncos, and Vikings.[/QUOTE]I think the Browns go with Mayfield.

Buffalo and Arizona do not have cap space.

He either gets over paid by a desperate franchise or he gets paid what he is really worth to play for a contender.

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Buffalo and Arizona could both clear up room and structure a deal to fit their cap if they really want to.

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A couple of interesting articles on Cousins.

A look at what's happening around the*New York Jets:

1. Struggles against top competition:*The Jets' anticipated pursuit of*Kirk Cousins*is a hot-button issue among fans in New York. Should they shell out $30 million a year for the prospective free agent or try to find their quarterback in the draft? Both sides can make compelling arguments, but here's a factoid that might provide some clarity for those on the fence:

During his time with the*Washington Redskins, Cousins' starting record against winning teams is 4-19 (based on their opponents' final record).

Yes, 4-19.

Cousins has cleaned up against losing teams (19-9-1) and has fared OK against .500 clubs (3-2), resulting in an overall record of 26-30-1 in the regular season. He is 0-1 in the playoffs.

[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/74749/an-alarming-kirk-cousins-trend-that-should-give-jets-pause[/url]

nish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports*the Jets are not planning a history-making contract offer that would include $60M in the first year.*This was recently suggested, but Mehta reports the franchise is not prepared to wildly overspend to land the 29-year-old quarterback.

However, sources informed Mehta the Jets would “absolutely love” to add Cousins. But they won’t be radically changing the NFL landscape by offering the passer a fully guaranteed deal.

[url]http://www.yardbarker.com/mobile/content/article/s1_14819_25793912[/url]

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Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

We get it, you hate Kurt Cousins.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189128]We get it, you hate Kurt Cousins.[/QUOTE]Don't hate, just don't think he is worth the kind of money he and his agent do. Nor do I believe especially last season he was playing for anything more than stats to try and justify getting paid.



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[quote=Dan73;1189129]Don't hate, just don't think he is worth the kind of money he and his agent do. Nor do I believe especially last season he was playing for anything more than stats to try and justify getting paid.



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..............your posts say other wise.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189129]Don't hate, just don't think he is worth the kind of money he and his agent do. Nor do I believe especially last season he was playing for anything more than stats to try and justify getting paid.



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All the rational posters are quieting down and we’re left with Chicken Little SolidSnake, DanHas73ConspiracyTheories, and Oklahoma Redskin Running up his post counts.

Cousins is good, not great. Someone will overpay because demand outstrips supply of QBs. I’m glad it won’t be us overpaying. Smith at 23M, even minus Fuller, is preferable.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1189133]All the rational posters are quieting down and we’re left with Chicken Little SolidSnake, DanHas73ConspiracyTheories, and Oklahoma Redskin Running up his post counts.

Cousins is good, not great. Someone will overpay because demand outstrips supply of QBs. I’m glad it won’t be us overpaying. Smith at 23M, even minus Fuller, is preferable.[/QUOTE]There were reports last season players complaining all he was doing was stats padding. And others were writing about it as they were observing it.

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[quote=Schneed10;1189133]All the rational posters are quieting down and we’re left with Chicken Little SolidSnake, DanHas73ConspiracyTheories, and Oklahoma Redskin Running up his post counts.

Cousins is good, not great. Someone will overpay because demand outstrips supply of QBs. I’m glad it won’t be us overpaying. Smith at 23M, even minus Fuller, is preferable.[/quote]

Totally agree.

After the initial knee jerk, this team can't get anything right, reaction passes, I believe they have really come out pretty well.

Completely fine not wrecking our cap and overpaying for a good, not great QB.

Smith is solid all the way around and his cap responsible signing made losing Kirk more than palatable, it made letting him walk seem like the smart move.

I hate losing Fuller, but agree, QB is so darn important, he had to go to get Smith.

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[quote=Dan73;1189138]There were reports last season players complaining all he was doing was stats padding. And others were writing about it as they were observing it.

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These reports came out when?

When they were going to Home Depot Sunday morning to see if they could find warm bodies to field an O line?

Our running game after CT went down was horrendous.

A link would be nice.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1189140]These reports came out when?

When they were going to Home Depot Sunday morning to see if they could find warm bodies to field an O line?

Our running game after CT went down was horrendous.

A link would be nice.[/QUOTE][url]http://washington.cbslocal.com/2018/02/02/salisbury-kirk-cousins-looked-after-stats-more-than-his-team/[/url]

I had about three or four players from the Redskins — who don’t dislike Kirk Cousins — literally reach out to me during the season while I was on this show saying to me he can play, but don’t go by his numbers always,” Smith said on Tuesday, via*Dan Steinberg of The Washington Post. “Because, they said, there had been many occasions where we’ll be down, or we’re struggling, and what he will do is pad his numbers, calling certain plays in concert with the offensive coordinator, putting himself in a position where his numbers look good even if it’s not necessarily the right play that could help us get stuff done.”

[url]https://www.all22.com/washington-redskins/stephen-smith-says-redskins-qb-kirk-cousins-calls-plays-pad-stats[/url]

*Go back and watch some of Cousins’ performances*in 2016. What you’ll find is a quarterback enjoying clean pockets, throwing to wide open receivers and struggling mightily when those luxuries aren’t afforded to him.

Cousins is very much a product of the system Scot McCloughan and Jay Gruden have so brilliantly crafted. He doesn’t transcend the system like the truly great quarterbacks we have in this league*— the Bradys, Rodgers and Lucks. If anything, Cousins has held a stacked offense back with*his aversion to taking risks.

[url]http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/washington-redskins-kirk-cousins-contract-rumors-nfl-san-francisco-49ers[/url]

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[quote=Dan73;1189142][url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2018/02/02/salisbury-kirk-cousins-looked-after-stats-more-than-his-team/]Salisbury: Kirk Cousins Looked After Stats More Than His Team « CBS DC[/url]

I had about three or four players from the Redskins — who don’t dislike Kirk Cousins — literally reach out to me during the season while I was on this show saying to me he can play, but don’t go by his numbers always,” Smith said on Tuesday, via*Dan Steinberg of The Washington Post. “Because, they said, there had been many occasions where we’ll be down, or we’re struggling, and what he will do is pad his numbers, calling certain plays in concert with the offensive coordinator, putting himself in a position where his numbers look good even if it’s not necessarily the right play that could help us get stuff done.”

[url]https://www.all22.com/washington-redskins/stephen-smith-says-redskins-qb-kirk-cousins-calls-plays-pad-stats[/url]


*Go back and watch some of Cousins’ performances*in 2016. What you’ll find is a quarterback enjoying clean pockets, throwing to wide open receivers and struggling mightily when those luxuries aren’t afforded to him.

Cousins is very much a product of the system Scot McCloughan and Jay Gruden have so brilliantly crafted. He doesn’t transcend the system like the truly great quarterbacks we have in this league*— the Bradys, Rodgers and Lucks. If anything, Cousins has held a stacked offense back with*his aversion to taking risks.

[url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/washington-redskins-kirk-cousins-contract-rumors-nfl-san-francisco-49ers]Why Kirk Cousins needs the Redskins more than the Redskins need Kirk Cousins | For The Win[/url]

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The first artical is Sean Salisbury and he actually states in the article itself, that it's just his opinion.

Stephen A Smith, a crap stirring carnival barker, is the source for both the 2nd and 3rd article and that's from March of 2017, which means it was talking about the 2016 season.

I can't think of any disgruntled receivers who would have wanted to bad mouth Kirk on their way out the door to Tampa and San Fran.

Name one skill player on offense this year (2017) who would have any standing at all to bad mouth him. Our receivers sucked, our running backs sucked (except CT), and our TE's sucked. Kirk was our best offensive skill player and it wasn't even close.

[url]https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards[/url]

The air yards stats kill this narrative every which way.

His aversion to risk is not necessarily related to padding stats.

I do believe that Jay wanted him to take more chances but his not putting the ball in harm's way doesn't mean he was selfish.

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The trade is incomplete until after free agency starts. I already like the trade but if we resign some of our guys and bring in some solid FA's we're really in business.

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The stat padding theory is weak at best and mostly classic hater talk. Right from one of the links above:

[QUOTE]There are issues with what Smith is saying, not the least of which is that it doesn’t make any sense.

First, what’s good for Cousins is good for the Redskins. If the quarterback is posting big numbers, it stands to reason the offense is moving and, one would hope, putting points on the scoreboard. Second, if the plays are being called in concert with the offensive coordinator, Cousins isn’t really responsible for the plays at all.

If Smith’s point was that Cousins produces a lot because the Redskins frequently are trailing or are in garbage time, that might be another story. Smith probably should provide some evidence to back that up, though.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=MTK;1189149]The stat padding theory is weak at best and mostly classic hater talk. Right from one of the links above:[/quote]

Yea. And again, that is most likely from Garcon and DJax talking about the 2016 season.