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[quote=skinsfaninok;1216549]Per Keim,

Gray has not been fired, he is there today.

LOL What a fucking joke this FO is[/quote]

huh? what? who reported this the other day?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1216549]Per Keim,

Gray has not been fired, he is there today.

LOL What a fucking joke this FO is[/quote]

[url]https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1083012773259415560?s=21[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1216550]huh? what? who reported this the other day?[/quote]

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/08/report-washington-parting-ways-with-torrian-gray/[/url]

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Unreal man , all u can do is laugh at this point

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Damn, I thought he was a great secondary coach. :/

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1216554]Damn, I thought he was a great secondary coach. :/[/quote]

He's solid imo. I mean somehow, Ike Hillard has a job as WR coach with a group that has underperformed for years.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1216554]Damn, I thought he was a great secondary coach. :/[/quote]

Me, too. I still do.

Does Snyder have cognitive issues or something? This seems like no leadership from the top. Could he possibly be so clueless or wishy-washy?

Is the following the way things are going right now at Redskins Park:

Dan calls Joe Gibbs and Gibbs tells him: "Dan, there's no way around it; you have got to fire both Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden and bring in better leadership. Don't worry, I'll help you find the right people to get us on track." Snyder replies: "I know you're right Joe but I need a little more time to figure out the whole thing."

Ten minutes later Bruce Allen walks into Snyder's office and says: "Dan, there is another way we can handle this whole coaching thing. Jay Gruden can stay and I'll just decide who should be starting and help him to call plays at critical points in games. But some of these assistant coaches have got to go! I want to release one of them right now to send a message." Snyder, "Uh, OK Bruce. You do that. I've got a marketing meeting in five minutes."

The next day Joe Gibbs calls Snyder when he hears about the firing and says: Dan, what is going on up there? You just fired your best position coach!"

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I'd say the lack of talent at WR has been a bigger issue than what Hilliard is or isn't doing

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Can someone tell me ultimately who was responsible for the passing game taking a major step back from when Cousins was here?

Who are you putting this on?...it seems to me everyone gives a pass from the folks here.

No clue why...Especially with the fact AP and the running game seemed to be better.

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The Browns have relieved defensive coordinator Gregg Williams of his duties and he is no longer with the team, sources tell

Go get this fucker

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[quote=Chico23231;1216559]Can someone tell me ultimately who was responsible for the passing game taking a major step back from when Cousins was here?

Who are you putting this on?...it seems to me everyone gives a pass from the folks here.

No clue why...Especially with the fact AP and the running game seemed to be better.[/quote]

1.Smith isn't as good as Cousins in Jay's system. JJ and Sanchez are not NFL QBs.

2. Crowder and Richardson were hurt the majority of the year

3. Reed has regressed.

4. Docston at best is a 3rd wr.

5. Some of the other guys... Simms, Quinn, Davis all hurt.

Is Sims just another Marko Mitchell? Or can he develop and learn to be a disciplined NFL wr? Can Davis also develop?

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[quote=Chico23231;1216559]Can someone tell me ultimately who was responsible for the passing game taking a major step back from when Cousins was here?

Who are you putting this on?...it seems to me everyone gives a pass from the folks here.

No clue why...Especially with the fact AP and the running game seemed to be better.[/quote]

The team's approach was to be more conservative with the passing game and to take care of the ball; that approach worked through 9 games, until Alex Smith went down. The running game improved, because the team had few turnovers, controlled the time of possession, and the defense was doing a good job.

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/09/gregg-williams-wont-be-back-in-cleveland/[/url]

Gregg Williams done in Cleveland...go get him NOW

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[quote=skinsfan69;1216561]1.Smith isn't as good as Cousins in Jay's system. JJ and Sanchez are not NFL QBs.

2. Crowder and Richardson were hurt the majority of the year

3. Reed has regressed.

4. Docston at best is a 3rd wr.

5. Some of the other guys... Simms, Quinn, Davis all hurt.

Is Sims just another Marko Mitchell? Or can he develop and learn to be a disciplined NFL wr? Can Davis also develop?[/quote]

Our QB (Cousins) had multiple HEALTHY years in the system to learn/execute it, getting nearly every single rep in Camp/Practice/Games. He also had way better talent as he was learning that system with Garcon and Jackson. By the time they left he could get the offense going with lesser talented players.

We had none of that this year and a whole lot of injuries to go with it.

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Jay would never be comfortable w/ a coach like Williams.

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[quote=sevier2;1216565]Our QB (Cousins) had multiple HEALTHY years in the system to learn/execute it, getting nearly every single rep in Camp/Practice/Games. He also had way better talent as he was learning that system with Garcon and Jackson. By the time they left he could get the offense going with lesser talented players.

We had none of that this year and a whole lot of injuries to go with it.[/quote]

I agree with both you and Skins69...

Cousins had just as many injuries along the Oline and receiver...and possibly had worst receiving talent.

But being in Jay's system as a vet certainly benefited him.

I think with our QB situation we need to add talent at Oline, add another quick Vet at Receiver...draft another Receiver mid round. But move the team in a "running game" type offense...while bringing the passing game along.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1216566]Jay would never be comfortable w/ a coach like Williams.[/quote]

Williams wouldn't put up with his shit or the clown show in the front office. We should still try to land him. We need someone with some balls on the sidelines...eff it, I want to see Williams out there punching people...full chaos.

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[quote=Chico23231;1216570]Williams wouldn't put up with his shit or the clown show in the front office. We should still try to land him. We need someone with some balls on the sidelines...eff it, I want to see Williams out there punching people...full chaos.[/quote]

Williams created his own shit show with the whole bounty scandal and he was basically exiled from the NFL for a few seasons.

I'm all for change, but we can get a competent DC without bringing someone who has created his own shit show before.

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Based on lack of action on defense side by Gruden, I think we need to start accepting the fact that we are sticking with Manusky.

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I don’t think Williams is even a possibility.

From Williams perspective, He had essentially been promised the HC job when Gibbs time as HC ended, so he has no reason to trust Snyder.

From Snyder’s perspective, Williams had said some negative things about Gibbs after he left, which pissed Snyder off and was purportedly the reason Williams didn’t get the job.

Perhaps it’s all water under the bridge now, but i have the sense that Snyder is one to hold grudges.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1216573]I don’t think Williams is even a possibility.

From Williams perspective, He had essentially been promised the HC job when Gibbs time as HC ended, so he has no reason to trust Snyder.

From Snyder’s perspective, Williams had said some negative things about Gibbs after he left, which pissed Snyder off and was purportedly the reason Williams didn’t get the job.

Perhaps it’s all water under the bridge now, but i have the sense that Snyder is one to hold grudges.[/quote]

I would bet that G. Williams is looking for a HC gig and will only settle for DC position if that doesn't happen. I doubt that he'd get a HC job.

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The whole thing about Williams being promised the HC job after Gibbs was a myth.

As far as bounty gate goes, I wouldn't let that get in the way of hiring one of the best DC's in the game.

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[quote=MTK;1216575]The whole thing about Williams being promised the HC job after Gibbs was a myth.

As far as bounty gate goes, I wouldn't let that get in the way of hiring one of the best DC's in the game.[/quote]

And I think Gruden has every incentive to try to hire the best guy he can. Same with Bruce.

The issue seems to be that Williams will have a lot of suitors. I think we're more likely to lose out because he can just about pick where he wants to go, not because he wouldn't want to come back here.

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[quote=Schneed10;1216576]And I think Gruden has every incentive to try to hire the best guy he can. Same with Bruce.

The issue seems to be that Williams will have a lot of suitors. I think we're more likely to lose out because he can just about pick where he wants to go, not because he wouldn't want to come back here.[/quote]

If I am Gregg I wouldn't come to DC, Why would he? I'd go to a team that is built better on Offense so that the pressure isn't as high to perform on Defense like it will be for us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1216561]1.Smith isn't as good as Cousins in Jay's system. JJ and Sanchez are not NFL QBs.

2. Crowder and Richardson were hurt the majority of the year

3. Reed has regressed.

4. Docston at best is a 3rd wr.

5. Some of the other guys... Simms, Quinn, Davis all hurt.

Is Sims just another Marko Mitchell? Or can he develop and learn to be a disciplined NFL wr? Can Davis also develop?[/quote]

This sums it all up

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[quote=GridIron26;1216572]Based on lack of action on defense side by Gruden, I think we need to start accepting the fact that we are sticking with Manusky.[/quote]

completely unacceptable

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Adam Schefter is reporting a connection between Todd Bowles and Matt Nagy. And now that Vic Fangio is leaving Chicago, Todd Bowles being considered for DC in Chicago.

If true, that is a hell of a defense to inherit. Even without Mack. But with him makes that a very favorable job.

[URL="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1083062425673453569"]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1083062425673453569[/URL]

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[quote=Chico23231;1216579]completely unacceptable[/quote]

Y would u meet with Bowles and not Fire Manusky after that? I swear to god this organization just does this shit to get laughed at.. It's the only explanation

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1216581]Y would u meet with Bowles and not Fire Manusky after that? I swear to god this organization just does this shit to get laughed at.. It's the only explanation[/QUOTE]


Everyone seems to be forgetting that it takes two to tango.

Bowles probably didn’t want to come here.

So Why would we fire manusky unless we know for a certainty we can find someone better? THAT would be stupid.

Decades of Organizational dysfunction aside, Jay is essentially a lame duck head coach. He either wins this year or he’s fired. Barring a dramatic turnaround, Any defensive coach coming here is very likely only going to be here one year. Why would ANYONE who has better options want to do that? There’s simply no job security. Any good defensive coordinator is going to want to go somewhere with a new head coach, so they can be pretty confident in having at least 2 years of job security.


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[quote=Chico23231;1216570]Williams wouldn't put up with his shit or the clown show in the front office. We should still try to land him. We need someone with some balls on the sidelines...eff it, I want to see Williams out there punching people...full chaos.[/quote]

That's what I mean. He's going to be no nonsense and Jay just isn't that hard ass kind of guy. He wants someone that can go along with his personality and isn't a threat to him more than he wants results.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1216582]Everyone seems to be forgetting that it takes two to tango.

Bowles probably didn’t want to come here.

So Why would we fire manusky unless we know for a certainty we can find someone better? THAT would be stupid.

Decades of Organizational dysfunction aside, Jay is essentially a lame duck head coach. He either wins this year or he’s fired. Barring a dramatic turnaround, Any defensive coach coming here is very likely only going to be here one year. Why would ANYONE who has better options want to do that? There’s simply no job security. Any good defensive coordinator is going to want to go somewhere with a new head coach, so they can be pretty confident in having at least 2 years of job security.


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All of this unless you believe, as many do, that Tomsula would be better. You could fire Manusky (if one of the better options doesn't work out the for reasons you describe) and promote Tomsula.

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Yeah the reality is that every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Gruden is on thin ice. They see he is under contract for 2019 and 2020, and that's it. Which is basically saying he has one more year before he must either be extended or fired.

And every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Alex Smith may not play again, so this team will be looking at either Colt McCoy, a rookie, or paying out the nose for a veteran which will completely rob his defense of cap space to make improvements.

So if you're a defensive coordinator and you've got options like Bowles does, would you seriously consider the Redskins? Would you if you were Williams?

I'd say thanks but no thanks, not my circus, not my monkeys.

We haven't fired Manusky yet because we know we're not an attractive situation.

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By the way, reality sucks right now for Redskins fans. It's bleaker than I can ever remember it. The Alex Smith injury is a dark cloud that makes things very difficult on us. The only thing that can save the day is hitting on a rookie.

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perhaps an offseason or two of all the top coaching candidates telling us "thanks but no thanks" is exactly what Snyder needs to see to realize that his shit does indeed stink - very badly.

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[quote=Schneed10;1216589]By the way, reality sucks right now for Redskins fans. It's bleaker than I can ever remember it. The Alex Smith injury is a dark cloud that makes things very difficult on us. The only thing that can save the day is hitting on a rookie.[/quote]

Yep, My hopes are not high at all for 2019.. It looks like a 4-12 set up if AS can't play for the first 5-8 games. Unless like u said we hit on a rookie QB that is just amazing..

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[quote=Schneed10;1216589]By the way, reality sucks right now for Redskins fans. It's bleaker than I can ever remember it. The Alex Smith injury is a dark cloud that makes things very difficult on us. The only thing that can save the day is hitting on a rookie.[/quote]

Agreed. I usually go into the off-season with some hope and an idea on how the team could turn things around but this year...

It just feels like we've hit the bottom of the barrel. With no money, a lack of talent across the board, locker room drama, an insufferable front office, etc. The list goes on and on and on.

The only saving grace I can point to is our draft capital. We have ammunition to make [I]some[/I] moves, I suppose. But even then I don't think we have enough capital to fix everything in one off-season. Or even restore hope in that time.

Unless we somehow land a generational talent who can single-handily win games for us, the future is bleak.

I think we're in store for a full tear down of the team come 2020 and in all honesty we probably need it. Even still, I don't believe it will bear any results as long as Snyder is the owner. So it's [B]still[/B] hard to get my hopes up.

Thus [U]the apathy has set in for me[/U], as it has for much of the fan base. And at this point it's on the organization to [I]GIVE[/I] me a reason to actively support them.

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[quote=Schneed10;1216587]Yeah the reality is that every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Gruden is on thin ice. They see he is under contract for 2019 and 2020, and that's it. Which is basically saying he has one more year before he must either be extended or fired.

And every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Alex Smith may not play again, so this team will be looking at either Colt McCoy, a rookie, or paying out the nose for a veteran which will completely rob his defense of cap space to make improvements.

So if you're a defensive coordinator and you've got options like Bowles does, would you seriously consider the Redskins? Would you if you were Williams?

I'd say thanks but no thanks, not my circus, not my monkeys.

We haven't fired Manusky yet because we know we're not an attractive situation.[/quote]

This is the reality of the situation.... and this is why I feel Manusky will be back.

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Its a lame duck staff that already knows 2019 will be their last year here , barring a miracle playoff run with our 20M QB out for half the yr... In reality we all really should hope for a 3-13 season and grab Tua in 2020. Keep the Bama thing going why not?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1216504]Per Reports

Torian Gray has been let go as DB Coach

Now maybe Manusky isn't safe after all[/quote]

I don't understand that... I thought Gray had done a pretty good to very good job coaching up the young db's

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1216595]I don't understand that... I thought Gray had done a pretty good to very good job coaching up the young db's[/quote]

Keim disputes it. Says Gray was in the building today.