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[quote=skinsfaninok;1358911]He's a rare talent for sure but at what cost?[/quote]

I am not making the choice but I am not trading up to draft 1

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1358911]He's a rare talent for sure but at what cost?[/quote]

i fucking hear that every fucking year about X player and then fizzle


so few have lived up to the hype

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1358911]He's a rare talent for sure but at what cost?[/quote]

You gotta take your shot if he is your guy and within striking distance.

We trust the decision makers right?

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[quote=Chico23231;1358920]You gotta take your shot if he is your guy and within striking distance.

We trust the decision makers right?[/quote]

That's how I feel. Personally I wouldn't but that is because I'd be to chicken shit to do it. Adam Peters is Lenny Dykstra I'd be Billy Beane

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[quote=Chico23231;1358920]You gotta take your shot if he is your guy and within striking distance.

We trust the decision makers right?[/quote]

I won't be mad I just hope they dont get ROBBED

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358843]7-round mock draft by PFN:

[url]https://www.profootballnetwork.com/7-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-sb/[/url][/quote]



As a Wisconsin alum, I can say with confidence that I do not want Braelon Allen on the Redskins.

Re: 2024 Early Bird Draft Thread
 

Dan Orlovski "There isn't a play call you cant make with Caleb Williams as your QB, He can do it all"

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If you think someone is the next Mahomes you’d be crazy to not do everything you can to get him.

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[quote=MTK;1358933]If you think someone is the next Mahomes you’d be crazy to not do everything you can to get him.[/quote]

Yes but then why wouldn't the Bears draft him? If they trade out of that pick there would havd to be serious doubts still.

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[quote=MTK;1358933]If you think someone is the next Mahomes you’d be crazy to not do everything you can to get him.[/quote]

ok so why would CHI trade out? They are not going to

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1358935]Yes but then why wouldn't the Bears draft him? If they trade out of that pick there would havd to be serious doubts still.[/quote]

to answer our questions i suppose

do you rule with field as say a purdy and build the best pieces possible around him using your draft capital from this trade of 1

or

do you draft c. williams and try to get what you can with our remaining resources to help him win

its the age old questions do you hook your wagon to the brightest star or build a team of less bright stars and a average joe QB? What gives you the best opportunity to win

SF can sustain injuries and still keep chugging along, KC loses Patty say for the year might as well call it a season and start thinking about the Royals or BBQ or whatever mid west people think of other then Patty

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1358935]Yes but then why wouldn't the Bears draft him? If they trade out of that pick there would havd to be serious doubts still.[/quote]

They should totally draft him, but does he pull an Eli and refuse to play there?

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[quote=mredskins;1358937]to answer our questions i suppose

do you rule with field as say a purdy and build the best pieces possible around him using your draft capital from this trade of 1

or

do you draft c. williams and try to get what you can with our remaining resources to help him win

its the age old questions do you hook your wagon to the brightest star or build a team of less bright stars and a average joe QB? What gives you the best opportunity to win

SF can sustain injuries and still keep chugging along, KC loses Patty say for the year might as well call it a season and start thinking about the Royals or BBQ or whatever mid west people think of other then Patty[/quote]

I happen to believe Brock Purdy has played at the franchise level QB for 2 seasons now. I don't see Fields as comparable in any way. I don't see Chicago rolling him out again because I do not believe he will ever be a franchise QB. I don't believe they will want to pay him what a starting QB earns today. No I see them resetting the clock on a rookie that has far more upside.

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[quote=MTK;1358938]They should totally draft him, but does he pull an Eli and refuse to play there?[/quote]

inquiring minds want to know

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There is really only 1 Mahomes but Caleb could be the next Elite scrambler like an A Rod was. People forget how great Rodgers was in his prime at moving and throwing on the run. You don't have to be Josh Allen to do that

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[quote=Chico23231;1358943]inquiring minds want to know[/quote]

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/dj-moore-definitely-on-record-as-wanting-justin-fields-to-stay-with-bears[/url]

DJ says keep Fields

You DJ and Harrison ; that be interesting

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2. Joe Alt OT Notre Dame
36. Kingsley Suamataia OT BYU
40. Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington
67. Ja'Tavion Sanders TE Texas
100. Brandon Coleman OG TCU
102. Jaden Hicks S Washington State
137. Christian Mahogany OG Boston College
180. Xavier Thomas EDGE Clemson
219. Omar Speights LB LSU

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358953]2. Joe Alt OT Notre Dame
36. Kingsley Suamataia OT BYU
40. Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington
67. Ja'Tavion Sanders TE Texas
100. Brandon Coleman OG TCU
102. Jaden Hicks S Washington State
137. Christian Mahogany OG Boston College
180. Xavier Thomas EDGE Clemson
219. Omar Speights LB LSU[/quote]

LT at #2? He better be the next Trent.. We do need it bad though

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The drunk PFN trade simulator gives the best drafts.

35. Bo Nix QB Oregon
36. Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington
38. Kingsley Suamataia OT BYU
40. Tyler Nubin S Minnesota
45. T.J. Tampa CB Iowa State
57. Ennis Rakestraw Jr. CB Missouri
67. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. LB Clemson
68. Ben Sinnott TE Kansas State
100. Junior Colson LB Michigan
102. Roger Rosengarten OT Washington
137. Isaiah Adams OG Illinois
180. Mohamed Kamara EDGE Colorado State
223. Jahdae Barron S Texas
2025 NE 2nd
2025 NO 2nd
2025 TB 1st
2025 TEN 1st
2025 NO 3rd

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gotta go QB first, imo.

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[quote=That Guy;1359000]gotta go QB first, imo.[/quote]

I think a lot of teams make a lot of mistakes doing that. You see it every single year where teams overdraft QB's. Anthony Richardson went #4 last year, that is nuts.

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The tape on Maye shows his potential. Kid is legit , accuracy downfield , Arm talent and moves better than he looks.

After watching all 3 guys I’d say Caleb is 1 but Maye 2 and then Daniels 3 but that’s not a knock on Daniels he’s legit. All 3 QBs could be top 5


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1358953]2. Joe Alt OT Notre Dame
36. Kingsley Suamataia OT BYU
40. Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington
67. Ja'Tavion Sanders TE Texas
100. Brandon Coleman OG TCU
102. Jaden Hicks S Washington State
137. Christian Mahogany OG Boston College
180. Xavier Thomas EDGE Clemson
219. Omar Speights LB LSU[/quote]

I’d drive off the Coronado bridge if we don’t draft a QB with our first pick.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1359006]I think a lot of teams make a lot of mistakes doing that. You see it every single year where teams overdraft QB's. Anthony Richardson went #4 last year, that is nuts.[/quote]

it's not like we'd be reaching. Joe Alt at #2 is reaching. thinking penix is a suitable sub with two bad knees and a shoulder... :/

It's a good QB class and we've got the pick to take advantage of it. And yes, 1 or 2 of those top 3 may not live up to the hype, but saying that's a good reason to never take a shot and condemn the team to mediocrity (or hoping we hit a rodgers or a brady) is probably a much lower percentage play.

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Anyone else wonder if this might be another '83 or '04 class, where we're over thinking it? Everyone looking a Williams as the only viable franchise QB? Trading up could be the worst move considering what it would take away from the rest of the roster. Let someone else pull the pin on that grenade, take best QB on our board at #2, then build the rest of the team around him.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1359013]Anyone else wonder if this might be another '83 or '04 class, where we're over thinking it? Everyone looking a Williams as the only viable franchise QB? Trading up could be the worst move considering what it would take away from the rest of the roster. Let someone else pull the pin on that grenade, take best QB on our board at #2, then build the rest of the team around him.[/quote]

maybe some of our draft experts can help but that is what i have been trying to figure out

where would maye or daniels fall in a prior years draft?

example would they be higher rated then cj and young last year?

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[quote=mredskins;1359014]maybe some of our draft experts can help but that is what i have been trying to figure out

where would maye or daniels fall in a prior years draft?

example would they be higher rated then cj and young last year?[/quote]

I'm no draft expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Express Inn last night. I think all 3 would be Top 10 picks in just about any draft.

Hopefully we hang at 2 and get the best remaining QB available. And I'd rather trade down than trade up.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1359013]Anyone else wonder if this might be another '83 or '04 class, where we're over thinking it? Everyone looking a Williams as the only viable franchise QB? Trading up could be the worst move considering what it would take away from the rest of the roster. Let someone else pull the pin on that grenade, take best QB on our board at #2, then build the rest of the team around him.[/quote]

Ask yourself "What would Dan Snyder do?".

He would definitely trade up to get Williams so we know that is the wrong thing to do.

:D

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[quote=davy;1359025]Ask yourself "What would Dan Snyder do?".

He would definitely trade up to get Williams so we know that is the wrong thing to do.

:D[/quote]

🙌🏻THIS💯💯

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I’ve seen enough on Drake Maye. I’m all in folks if Caleb goes #1


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[quote=mredskins;1359014]maybe some of our draft experts can help but that is what i have been trying to figure out

where would maye or daniels fall in a prior years draft?

example would they be higher rated then cj and young last year?[/quote]

It is all just opinion in the end, heard a report that Williams and Maye rank just behind Burrow and Luck as prospects since 2012, maybe Lawrence was in there too, high praise indeed but whether it is true is anybody's guess. Apparently teams dont much like the look of next years class, if both are true then expect there to be a scramble for the second tier guys.

Right now I would favour taking Maye, but I don't know anymore about the relative merits of each player than anybody else. Just gonna have to trust in Peters and Quinn. Though I would be uncomfortable if they traded the farm to get to #1, it puts them in a bad place for a 3 year "recalibration" if the QB doesn"t work out.

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[quote=That Guy;1359012]it's not like we'd be reaching. Joe Alt at #2 is reaching. thinking penix is a suitable sub with two bad knees and a shoulder... :/

It's a good QB class and we've got the pick to take advantage of it. And yes, 1 or 2 of those top 3 may not live up to the hype, but saying that's a good reason to never take a shot and condemn the team to mediocrity (or hoping we hit a rodgers or a brady) is probably a much lower percentage play.[/quote]

I never said never take a shot. I just don't think Caleb or Maye is worth being top 5 picks.

Do suitable subs throw for almost 5,000 yards? And 4,600 the previous year? C'mon. The guy has been healthy for 2 years in a row. Best deep ball thrower I've seen in a real long time, although Daniels is pretty good at it too. We haven't had a great deep ball thrower since Ryp.

Great GM's are risk takers. If I could trade back, get Harrison and also Penix, get my linemen & a TE in the 2nd, I'm going that route. You guys wouldn't do that?

Caleb would be out for me. I would not trade up for him at all simply because there are too many red flags, both on and off the field.

Only saw Maye twice. Was not impressed but if they like him then draft him by all means.

I love Daniels. He just keeps getting better and better and better. He's miles ahead of where he was at Az State. Best duel threat QB in the draft. Doesn't turn the ball over. He has some big boy games against the SEC.

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If anyone is old enough to remember that 83 draft class, Todd Blackledge and Tony Eason went above Dan Marino. That pretty much tells you that there is so much luck in drafting players.

Had Marino slipped past the Dolphins, Marino I believe would have been a Redskin.

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Speaking of Marino, I think it was his first year playing, I got to go to a Colts game, they were still in Baltimore and Marino was playing, I think it was his rookie year, not his 2nd 5,000 yard year. We bought an old portible TV that took like 10 batteries so we could watch the Redskins too.

Anyway we were right down on the field and I will never forget watching Marino warm up. He had the best arm and release I have ever seen. He was throwing rockets. It was beautiful to see someone throw a ball like that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1359037]I never said never take a shot. I just don't think [B]Caleb or Maye is worth being top 5 picks.
[/B]
Do suitable subs throw for almost 5,000 yards? And 4,600 the previous year? C'mon. The guy has been healthy for 2 years in a row. Best deep ball thrower I've seen in a real long time, although Daniels is pretty good at it too. We haven't had a great deep ball thrower since Ryp.

Great GM's are risk takers. If I could trade back, get Harrison and also Penix, get my linemen & a TE in the 2nd, I'm going that route. You guys wouldn't do that?

Caleb would be out for me. I would not trade up for him at all simply because there are too many red flags, both on and off the field.

Only saw Maye twice. Was not impressed but if they like him then draft him by all means.

I love Daniels. He just keeps getting better and better and better. He's miles ahead of where he was at Az State. Best duel threat QB in the draft. Doesn't turn the ball over. He has some big boy games against the SEC.[/quote]


Why?

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The Only thing I'm against is the Trade up one spot and give up everything for a roll of dice .. knowing our luck we get the flop and the bears get the stud and a lot more !! I would rather trade back let us load up .. but the best thing is to sit and take our guy at number two .. now if I'm the bears I keep Fields and trade back 6-7 spots for the haul!!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1359040]Why?[/quote]

I don't think Caleb will play within the confines of an NFL offense. He wants to play hero ball too much. It works fine in college cause of his athletic ability. But once an NFL defensive coordinator defends him w/ NFL athletes I think his game will struggle. He'll throw late, he'll want to scramble when he won't need to and so on.

If I were the Bears I would stick w/ Fields cause I don't think Caleb will be any better. Or that much better.

I see a lot of RG3 in Caleb. Poor mechanics, great athlete, obsessed w/ his brand, massive hype machine and most importantly, his style will struggle at the next level.

Maye? Like I said I only saw two of his games. But what is his signature moment? In every great college player I want to see that game where he has the "it" game. He played like crap against NC State? Clemson? You gotta do it against the best teams in your conference and I didn't see anything against those two.

What I like about Daniels is he just got better. And kept getting better. Maybe that will happen w/ Maye but taking him at #2 is overdrafting him, but teams do it every year.

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That is another reason why I like Penix. I can get him later on in the draft, I can get more picks by moving down and get possibly a great player or two to go along w/ him. I'd take a chance on the injury thing and build up my team w/ my extra picks. Harrison would look good along side Terry and Jahon. I'll play Jacoby for a while with my improved line and attack my needs on D in free agency.

There are so many good skill players in this draft. We could move back and possibly get Harrison and a elite TE and a future star at QB.

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I'd stay at #2 and draft best available QB. I like Maye better than Daniels but would be okay with either

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The obsession with moving down just for the sake of doing it, needs to be studied.