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If the redskins don't come away with either Locker Or Quinn I'd be disappointed

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[quote=GreekSkin;793140]from the article



Miss something Clarky??[/quote]

Amazing these guys have had nothing to write about the NFL for months, and have known for a while now that they'd be writing about the Skins on April 12, Texans on the 11th, etc. and they still can't get their facts straight.

OJ Atogwe, Clark Judge, you idiot.

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Bowen does a great job with these

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Ryan-Mallett-vs-Cover-2.html]Breaking down Ryan Mallet vs. Cover 2 | National Football Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;793241]Bowen does a great job with these

[URL="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Ryan-Mallett-vs-Cover-2.html"]Breaking down Ryan Mallet vs. Cover 2 | National Football Post[/URL][/quote]

Good stuff. I heard Pat Kirwan breaking down Mallet yesterday. He basically said he can make every throw, he can change protections at the line, and he knows when to take a sack. He's much more NFL ready than most prospects coming out this year.

Take away the character concerns and he's probably a top 10-15 pick.

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I don't think Mallet does well under pressure, not like game on the line pressure, but pocket is collapsing pressure

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Mallet seems to be the one guy we can safely rule out for the skins since his lack of mobility is a bad fit for the offense Shanny wants to run. Seems like an old school Gibbs QB to me...put a great O-line around him and watch him sling the ball around with that big arm. Then again that knucklehead rep of his would not have appealed to Gibbs though...

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just have a feeling we're going with Locker. Don't know if it's good or bad, but I'm starting to read mocks where his perceived value is starting to climb back into the mid first. Going to make it less of a reach for us at 10. Would love to see Shanahan trade back, but failing that, I'd guess it's going to be Locker.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/13/add-redskins-titans-to-list-of-teams-that-would-like-to-trade-down/]Add Redskins, Titans to list of teams that would like to trade down | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42572881/sports/player_news]Report: More red flags popping up on Fairley - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com[/url]

[quote]Adam Schefter reported on ESPN's Sports Center Wednesday that Auburn DT Nick Fairley missed his flight to the Combine, missed a team meeting there, and was late for a team interview at his Pro Day.

Now the "red flag" picture is coming into sharper focus. Fairley was forced to go the junior college route entering college, had just one dominant season at Auburn, and has faced criticism for taking plays off. While he possesses the talent to go No. 1 overall, Fairley's commitment issues leave him as one of the biggest wildcards in the top half of the draft.[/quote]


Hell mother ****ing no. We already have one lazy piece of shit on this team.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;793278]just have a feeling we're going with Locker. Don't know if it's good or bad, but I'm starting to read mocks where his perceived value is starting to climb back into the mid first. Going to make it less of a reach for us at 10. Would love to see Shanahan trade back, but failing that, I'd guess it's going to be Locker.[/quote]

Good in my eyes...If the rumors of the Redskins liking Locker since last year are true then I don't see how any Redskins fan would be upset about drafting him at #10. Shannahan is the coach for the forseeable future...we know how fickle he is with QB's...if he likes this kid then we should want him to have him. Finding a young QB that Shanny likes and wants to work with trumps any other need the Redskins have. That is way more important then the defensive player or WR we can get at #10. It's not really about which QB's we like...it's about getting the one they like that they will believe in and invest the time in to build around. When the 10th pick rolls around on April 28th we are going to find out if all the rumors linking Locker to Shanny were true or not, because if they pass at #10 then their feelings for him were not as strong as we were led to believe.

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I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter

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[quote=SmootSmack;793306]I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter[/quote]

Everything you say makes sense to me. However, if they like Locker enough that they are not even willing to risk it by trying to trade down to aquire more picks...doesn't that excite you as a Redskins fan?

In my eyes if they trade down and still get him later in the draft I will be happy but it will also leave me wondering how much they actually believe in him as their future QB. Basically my excitement about Locker is based on the rumors of how much Shanny likes him. If thats all just nonsense then I don't care all that much if we end up with him.

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What's funny about Fairley is most mocks have him going to TEN lol

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[quote=celts32;793314]Everything you say makes sense to me. However, if they like Locker enough that they are not even willing to risk it by trying to trade down to aquire more picks...doesn't that excite you as a Redskins fan?

In my eyes if they trade down and still get him later in the draft I will be happy but it will also leave me wondering how much they actually believe in him as their future QB. Basically my excitement about Locker is based on the rumors of how much Shanny likes him. If thats all just nonsense then I don't care all that much if we end up with him.[/quote]

I'd bet if we don't trade down, it's because we couldn't find a partner vs. any sort of indictment on Locker.

I wouldn't rule out taking Locker at #10, but MS might prefer having his cake and eating it too by gaining an extra pick and still grabbing Locker later on. That's just smart drafting. Sure there are risks involved, but you don't win in this league without taking some risks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793306]I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter[/quote]

I don't know why you were worry about Ponder not being there at 41. Look at Colt McCoy last year. 2010 as we know produced at least 2 quality QB's. maybe 3 if Tebow pans out. McCoy probably should have gone in the early second at least but dropped to the early 3rd because of concerns about durability. Ponder has those same concerns, in fact they're probably worse in his case.

On top of that McCoy had a much more storied career. Ponder's only advantage over McCoy is that he came from a pro style offense. Also, McCoy didn't have to compete with the number of QB's that Ponder has had to over the course of this draft process.

In McCoy's range, as it turns out his only competition was Clausen, maybe Tebow as well. Ponder has to compete with Kaepernick, Dalton, Mallet, and maybe even Locker.

Unless we take him at 41 it will be very likely to see Ponder fall to the third on draft weekend, and this is coming from someone that likes Ponder more then any of the other QB's in this class including Gabbert.

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[quote=Mattyk;793320]I'd bet if we don't trade down, it's because we couldn't find a partner vs. any sort of indictment on Locker.

I wouldn't rule out taking Locker at #10, but MS might prefer having his cake and eating it too by gaining an extra pick and still grabbing Locker later on. That's just smart drafting. Sure there are risks involved, but you don't win in this league without taking some risks.[/quote]

When it comes to any other position I agree that its smart drafting but if a guy you view as a franchise QB is on the board and you need a QB then you stay put and take him. IMO if the skins trade down then the rumors of how much they like Locker were overblown or completely untrue.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;793321]I don't know why you were worry about Ponder not being there at 41. Look at Colt McCoy last year. 2010 as we know produced at least 2 quality QB's. maybe 3 if Tebow pans out. McCoy probably should have gone in the early second at least but dropped to the early 3rd because of concerns about durability. Ponder has those same concerns, in fact they're probably worse in his case.

On top of that McCoy had a much more storied career. Ponder's only advantage over McCoy is that he came from a pro style offense. Also, McCoy didn't have to compete with the number of QB's that Ponder has had to over the course of this draft process.

In McCoy's range, as it turns out his only competition was Clausen, maybe Tebow as well. Ponder has to compete with Kaepernick, Dalton, Mallet, and maybe even Locker.

Unless we take him at 41 it will be very likely to see Ponder fall to the third on draft weekend, and this is coming from someone that likes Ponder more then any of the other QB's in this class including Gabbert.[/quote]

Hard to compare this draft to other years since there has not been any free agency nor do we know for sure that there will be. There is a belief that all the teams that have uncertainty at the QB position are going to try and solve their problem in the draft since they can't bank on free agency. That could cause the top 5 or 6 QB's in this draft to go higher then they might have in a normal year.

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[quote=celts32;793327]Hard to compare this draft to other years since there has not been any free agency nor do we know for sure that there will be. There is a belief that all the teams that have uncertainty at the QB position are going to try and solve their problem in the draft since they can't bank on free agency. That could cause the top 5 or 6 QB's in this draft to go higher then they might have in a normal year.[/quote]

I agree with you on the point that no free agency might create a better sense of urgency, but it could also have a reverse effect on QB hungry teams, as many of them might look at it as possibly the best free agent/trading block (Kolb, McNabb, Young, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Bulger) QB class ever and could easily be willing to be a little to patient on draft day.

Still even if a QB hungry team gets a sense of urgency with Ponder, I feel that he will at best be pushed up to the late second round, unless of course the Skins take him due to that fact that they don't pick until the 4th or 5th round after 41.

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[quote=celts32;793323]When it comes to any other position I agree that its smart drafting but if a guy you view as a franchise QB is on the board and you need a QB then you stay put and take him. IMO if the skins trade down then the rumors of how much they like Locker were overblown or completely untrue.[/quote]

Well, people can change their opinions of a player of the course of several months so the rumors wouldn't be untrue or overblown, just maybe a bit outdated.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;793330]I agree with you on the point that no free agency might create a better sense of urgency, but it could also have a reverse effect on QB hungry teams, as many of them might look at it as possibly the best free agent/trading block (Kolb, McNabb, Young, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Bulger) QB class ever and could easily be willing to be a little to patient on draft day.

Still even if a QB hungry team gets a sense of urgency with Ponder, I feel that he will at best be pushed up to the late second round, unless of course the Skins take him due to that fact that they don't pick until the 4th or 5th round after 41.[/quote]

Possible but i tend to think 5 QB's will be gone by #41. And I think this lockout hurt the skins more then most teams becasue it's very possible that after all those QB's you mentioned changed teams we may have been able to get locker at #41 but now that's a pipe dream.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793334]Well, people can change their opinions of a player of the course of several months so the rumors wouldn't be untrue or overblown, just maybe a bit outdated.[/quote]

Definitely but assuming the opinion had not changed and they were still very high on him I do not believe they would or should attempt to trade down.

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[quote=celts32;793336]Possible but i tend to think 5 QB's will be gone by #41. And I think this lockout hurt the skins more then most teams becasue it's very possible that after all those QB's you mentioned changed teams we may have been able to get locker at #41 but now that's a pipe dream.[/quote]

FA is having a huge impact on this draft. If we had it, Vikings could have McNabb, Niners could have Palmer, Dolphins could have Kolb, Bengals could have Hasselbeck, we could have Young, etc. Without it, all these teams are most likely to look at QB in one of the first two rounds

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[quote=celts32;793337]Definitely but assuming the opinion had not changed and they were still very high on him I do not believe they would or should attempt to trade down.[/quote]

I clearly see your point. However, it depends on how far the trade down is. Trading with the Rams at 14 could net an extra draft pick without endangering a chance at Locker. Trading down to #27 or something like that is a different story.

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[quote=Lotus;793344]I clearly see your point. However, it depends on how far the trade down is. Trading with the Rams at 14 could net an extra draft pick without endangering a chance at Locker. Trading down to #27 or something like that is a different story.[/quote]

Not with the QB needy Vikings who had Locker in for a visit sitting at #12. If you love Locker how can you justify trading below the Vikings and rolling the dice? You only make that trade if you don't like Locker at all or you sort of like Locker. And if either of those are true then I hope they don't end up with him.

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[quote=celts32;793346]Not with the QB needy Vikings who had Locker in for a visit sitting at #12. If you love Locker how can you justify trading below the Vikings and rolling the dice? You only make that trade if you don't like Locker at all or you sort of like Locker. And if either of those are true then I hope they don't end up with him.[/quote]

Unless you have a deal, in principle, with the Vikings for trading McNabb when the lockout is over. Either way the labor dispute pans out, McNabb is under contract.

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[quote=celts32;793346]Not with the QB needy Vikings who had Locker in for a visit sitting at #12. If you love Locker how can you justify trading below the Vikings and rolling the dice? You only make that trade if you don't like Locker at all or you sort of like Locker. And if either of those are true then I hope they don't end up with him.[/quote]

What if they love Locker..but love (for example) Andy Dalton AND Phil Taylor more?

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[quote=Son Of Man;793347]Unless you have a deal, in principle, with the Vikings for trading McNabb when the lockout is over. Either way the labor dispute pans out, McNabb is under contract.[/quote]

Haha...okay you got me there. So I agree that if the skins have an under the table deal in place with the Vikes for McNabb then they could conceivably trade down to #14 for Locker and extra picks.

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[quote=celts32;793346]Not with the QB needy Vikings who had Locker in for a visit sitting at #12. If you love Locker how can you justify trading below the Vikings and rolling the dice? You only make that trade if you don't like Locker at all or you sort of like Locker. And if either of those are true then I hope they don't end up with him.[/quote]

I understand the Vikings argument. But there are other arguments above. And my original point was based on a belief that the Vikes won't love Locker enough for a #12 pick.

Anyhow, I'm not busting your chops. I think that your theory of, "If you love a QB, just go get him" is essentially sound.

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[quote=celts32;793336]Possible but i tend to think 5 QB's will be gone by #41. And I think this lockout hurt the skins more then most teams becasue it's very possible that after all those QB's you mentioned changed teams we may have been able to get locker at #41 but now that's a pipe dream.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack;793339]FA is having a huge impact on this draft. If we had it, Vikings could have McNabb, Niners could have Palmer, Dolphins could have Kolb, Bengals could have Hasselbeck, we could have Young, etc. Without it, all these teams are most likely to look at QB in one of the first two rounds[/quote]

I agree with both of you. This lockout hurts us the most in the fact we aren't going to be able to get diddly squat for McNabb at this point and the teams that need a QB are going to fill that need via the draft. Once that happens, we are screwed in terms of leverage with trading McNabb. I really think QB needy teams will be reaching big time in this years draft for QBs due to the lack of options available to them prior to the draft.

I think the only thing that shakes this up is if a injunction is granted. At that point, FA moves could be made if I understand correctly.


[quote=Son Of Man;793347]Unless you have a deal, in principle, with the Vikings for trading McNabb when the lockout is over. Either way the labor dispute pans out, McNabb is under contract.[/quote]

You'll probably be hardpressed to find a team that is going to rely on a "hand shake" deal until the new CBA is created. Teams are going to fill their need in the draft. As a GM/Coach, you can't rely on the "future" events or scenarios to fill a void on your team. Well, you can, but you won't be around long.

Example:

Minnesota relies on a deal, in principle, with us to trade them McNabb after the CBA is announced. During that time, another team comes along and offers more than what Minnesota is willing to give and we trade him to the other team. Minnesota is now screwed because they didn't fill their need in the draft and relied on a "hand shake" deal to fill that void. Chances are they are ****ed royally.

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The NFL has notified teams that if they discover any "handshake deals" are taking place right now, there will be hell to pay. Serious, serious ramifications.

Like when the Minnesota Timberwolves had to give up something like 5 consecutive 1st round picks for knowingly violating the salary cap

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[quote=SmootSmack;793348]What if they love Locker..but love (for example) Andy Dalton AND Phil Taylor more?[/quote]

SS, I know you've acknowledged that that is an "example." But, is that truly an example or actual feelings of the coaching staff? Do they really love Dalton more?

Basically I'm saying I don't want the redheaded kid that played Junior in "problem child" quarterbacking my team...

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[quote=mbedner3420;793367]SS, I know you've acknowledged that that is an "example." But, is that truly an example or actual feelings of the coaching staff? Do they really love Dalton more?

Basically I'm saying I don't want the redheaded kid that played Junior in "problem child" quarterbacking my team...[/quote]

Do they love Dalton more than Locker? Is that what you're asking?

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[quote=SmootSmack;793368]Do they love Dalton more than Locker? Is that what you're asking?[/quote]

Yeah.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793366]The NFL has notified teams that if they discover any "handshake deals" are taking place right now, there will be hell to pay. Serious, serious ramifications.

Like when the Minnesota Timberwolves had to give up something like 5 consecutive 1st round picks for knowingly violating the salary cap[/quote]

McShay and Kiper were talking about this the other day. They described it as teams won't be getting a slap on the wrist so much so as the league will opt to simply cut the hand off. Basically I came away from the segment terrified for any team that tries to pull a "handshake deal."

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[quote=mbedner3420;793369]Yeah.[/quote]

Well I think it might be a slightly divided camp...but I was merely using them as an example

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^ SS any word on The teams interest in Julio Jones or do u think they will go WR in FA?

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I haven't heard any interest in JJ

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Ok you would think we would at some point add a WR this offseason

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My question is how can you determine what deal was a handshake deal and what isn't legit ? It seems a little off because rumors start sometimes with no merit, and just say that a deal was made that was rumored as a possibility does that automatically make it illegal ?

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^ what deal? Sorry I'm lost