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[quote=Lotus;848129]The third perspective is that neither Grossman nor Beck are really very good. But thanks for calling me an idiot again.[/quote]3rd perspective is Crompton!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;848141]3rd perspective is Crompton!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Finally we get an intelligent comment. :) Go Rockytop!

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[quote=Lotus;848136][B]It happens to all thinkers who are ahead of their times.[/B] :)

But, yeah, I didn't say a word about the greatness of Grossman or McNabb but people were quick to put those words in my mouth.[/quote]

Hard to be King to the ignorant Lotus. ;)

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[quote=GridIron26;848125]Let's try and use better choice of words next time. We all are upset with the game but there's no need to go after each other.[/quote]

Sorry!! Bad football weekend... terps lost again, skins lost (as you know), Giants won, and now the Cowgirls are looking solid. Time for bed.

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[quote=Chico23231;848128]sure he looked rusty and im sure there were some nerves...BUT he was much better than Rex.

1) Love the way Becks stands tall in the pocket goes through his reads

2) OMG Beck ran for a first down...havent seen that all season from a POS named Rex. Plus the QB draw for the TD, sorry Rex cant make that play.

3) Effing Gaffney dropped a TD pass from Beck. Not to be outdone, Stallworthless dropped a effing bomb that would put us in or close to the redzone.

4) Beck moved the ball under pressure much better than Rex

Beck did miss on some throws that shoulda been complete, but damn Beck played much better than Rex. Dude its not effing close[/quote]
Ill take the guy that doesn't look like a deer in the headlights and can get away from the rush any day...PS: he ain't no punk A** either..he saw the hole and ran the TD

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I'm tired of Rex and I'm tired of KS's seemingly complete inability to attack a defenses weakness. With Becks mobility...MAYBE he'll make Baby Shanny look better.

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[quote=53Fan;848152]I'm tired of Rex and I'm tired of KS's seemingly complete inability to attack a defenses weakness. With Becks mobility...MAYBE he'll make Baby Shanny look better.[/quote]
Agreed..for some reason the offense doesn't look amazing but it looks different enough with beck in there to notice the difference.

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[quote=53Fan;848152]I'm tired of Rex and I'm tired of KS's seemingly complete inability to attack a defenses weakness. With Becks mobility...MAYBE he'll make Baby Shanny look better.[/quote]

Word up. WTF is up with Kyle? dude disappointing

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[quote=53Fan;848152][B]I'm tired of Rex and I'm tired of KS's seemingly complete inability to attack a defenses weakness. [/B]With Becks mobility...MAYBE he'll make Baby Shanny look better.[/quote]

Yep...we were all raised by Joe Gibbs who would mercilessly attack a defense's weakness. Kyle would rather be cute, I guess.

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Well, you guys pretty much have it covered.

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I just think Kyle isn't what we thought he was. If his dad gave him the job to show the world Kyle was HC material, he has failed miserably. I am not that impressed with Mike either. We will see if he can rally the troops the rest of the way, and if he can't I don't see him staying around past 2012, unless he dumps his son.

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[quote=tryfuhl;848178]Well, you guys pretty much have it covered.[/quote]

Come on tryfuhl, you mean we've bashed everybody? musta missed somebody.

But tell me, where do you stand, Rex or Becks?

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[quote=Chico23231;848128]sure he looked rusty and im sure there were some nerves...BUT he was much better than Rex.

1) Love the way Becks stands tall in the pocket goes through his reads

2) OMG Beck ran for a first down...havent seen that all season from a POS named Rex. Plus the QB draw for the TD, sorry Rex cant make that play.

3) Effing Gaffney dropped a TD pass from Beck. Not to be outdone, Stallworthless dropped a effing bomb that would put us in or close to the redzone.

4) Beck moved the ball under pressure much better than Rex

Beck did miss on some throws that shoulda been complete, but damn Beck played much better than Rex. Dude its not effing close[/quote]The receiver play was terrible with Grossman and it was terrible with Beck. The only difference with Beck is that Terrence Austin got a shot and made a play.

Gaffney and Moss are inconsistent. But Stallworth is just bad.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848209]The receiver play was terrible with Grossman and it was terrible with Beck. The only difference with Beck is that Terrence Austin got a shot and made a play.

Gaffney and Moss are inconsistent. But Stallworth is just bad.[/quote]

yeah receiver play has been bad as a whole since week 1. I really cant believe that Stallworth drop, wasnt a beautiful throw, but you gotta catch that.

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[quote=Chico23231;848220]yeah receiver play has been bad as a whole since week 1. I really cant believe that Stallworth drop, wasnt a beautiful throw, but you gotta catch that.[/quote]

gaffney had a couple "gaffs" as well if I recall. Passes need to be caught with our situation at quarterback. No way we can compete if we cant do basic football maneuvers like catching a pass.

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[quote=Chico23231;848220]yeah receiver play has been bad as a whole since week 1. I really cant believe that Stallworth drop, wasnt a beautiful throw, but you gotta catch that.[/quote]The thing that I was getting at was that if Beck got more help from his receivers, he might have led us all the way back. But it's a moot point. Because if Grossman had gotten more help from his receivers, he wouldn't have thrown four picks and gotten benched.

Not to absolve Grossman from being a turnover machine, but I cant fault Rex for playing timid or lacking desire. If we're going to be a pass first, second, and third offense, you need a more consistent effort downfield.

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[quote=Chico23231;848191]Come on tryfuhl, you mean we've bashed everybody? musta missed somebody.

But tell me, where do you stand, Rex or Becks?[/quote]
I'm going Beck now...

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[quote=skinsnut;848078]The comment was that there was no reason with the amount of talent we have on the team that we shouldn't be a wildcard team, the response was, yeah, if we had a real QB, that is probably true...I agree with that...what I don't agree with is that this is a good team with Beck or Grossman...we have been talking about this all offseason, we're we a great 3-1 team?...no...are we a great 3-2 team?...probably not. Here's the truth, we beat bad teams and lose to good ones, we sometimes beat ourselves...that is NOT a playoff team, especially one with the most critical position being manned by a question mark.
It's not as bad as Spurrier's Danny Wuerful man-crush, but it is eerily similar.
2 arrogant offensive minded coaches thinking they can take a QB that no one else wants and turn them into stars.



This game reveals too much Shanny influence over the FO, not getting a good QB. It also reflects the FO not addressing Oline depth as much as we all shouted for...no backup Guard?....reallly?
Those were the 2 big questions I had with the squad going into the season.

I am glad Grossman was pulled, but I don't expect much better from Beck.
I do think that the coaches need to get austin and the other WR's out there too.[/quote]
Totally agree with you dude on your analysis, but talent wise I still say we are capable of a Wildcard if things are tweaked or situations are avoided, like going man on man coverage with a defensive backfield that isn't the best, or the worst in the NFL. A decent overall gameplan that makes strategic sense also would help.

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[quote=pg86;848148]Ill take the guy that doesn't look like a deer in the headlights and can get away from the rush any day...PS: he ain't no punk A** either..he saw the hole and ran the TD[/quote]

But but, his starting record is the the only stat that matters. lol. John Beck is 0-1 this year as a QB, Rex is 3-2, ergo Rex > John.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;848141]3rd perspective is Crompton!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

He's not the one that went to rehab for vicodin is he?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848236]But but, his starting record is the the only stat that matters. lol. John Beck is 0-1 this year as a QB, Rex is 3-2, ergo Rex > John.[/quote]

We haven't played 6 games

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[quote=tryfuhl;848238]We haven't played 6 games[/quote]

You're forgetting overlap. Technically my final edit said Beck is 0-1 "as a QB" not "as a starter." My argument about W-L is impenetrable. Plus Beck hasn't played in a regular season game since 2011.

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The redskins got outcoached in the first half and grossman played terribly. The scored should have been 20-14 after the redskins 1st possession after the half because of those reasons I just stated.

But even though the redskins have improved from last year mainly because of the defensive upgrades and offensive line play being more solid and consistent - they are missing an offensive player that can make the plays when the team is down or when they need to put the other team away. The other teams that were able to beat the eagles - had one or more players like that, that's the reason that they were able to come back. And why the redskins couldn't when they had similar opportunities too. I was hoping that torrain would become that player but now it may be Beck's opportunity to step up.

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[quote=warriorzpath;848256]The redskins got outcoached in the first half and grossman played terribly. The scored should have been 20-14 after the redskins 1st possession after the half because of those reasons I just stated.

But even though the redskins have improved from last year mainly because of the defensive upgrades and offensive line play being more solid and consistent - they are missing an offensive player that can make the plays when the team is down or when they need to put the other team away. The other teams that were able to beat the eagles - had one or more players like that, that's the reason that they were able to come back. And why the redskins couldn't when they had similar opportunities too. I was hoping that torrain would become that player but now it may be Beck's opportunity to step up.[/quote]

The best part is we finally confirmed that Vick is human and the Eagles are in fact beatable.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848262]The best part is we finally confirmed that Vick is human and the Eagles are in fact beatable.[/quote]

I thought that was confirmed their first 5 games when Vick was getting dogged (bahaha, pun) and throwing INTs all game.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;848263]I thought that was confirmed their first 5 games when Vick was getting dogged (bahaha, pun) and throwing INTs all game.[/quote]

I just needed to see it against us and our defense.

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I'm already pumped for Sunday and want to see what Beck can do. He looked good in my eyes this game or did some things iv'e not seen from a QB in the Redskins for a while.

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[quote=tryfuhl;848238]We haven't played 6 games[/quote]

How is Beck 0-1? We've only played 5 games.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;848234]Totally agree with you dude on your analysis, but talent wise I still say we are capable of a Wildcard if things are tweaked or situations are avoided, like going man on man coverage with a defensive backfield that isn't the best, or the worst in the NFL. A decent overall gameplan that makes strategic sense also would help.[/quote]The problem with many of us as fans is we have unrealistic expectations of this team. We have a team with a lot of young studs and stop gap players in key positions. This is not a 12 or 9 win team right now. I think we could luck up and win 9 games but I don't see us being able to do it year in and year out. Until we address the qb position we will continue to struggle with teams who have a good passing game. We need a guy who can go out and compete with guys like Rogers, Rivers, Brees, etc.

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[quote=SkinzWin;848266]How is Beck 0-1? We've only played 5 games.[/quote]

It was a joke. I was mocking the people from two weeks ago who mocked me for suggesting that John Beck would be worth giving a look at QB. I was purposely making a "how to lie with statistics" argument/joke.

And to further add I said Beck is 0-1 as a QB this year which in joking form I meant more specifically that we are 0-1 in games where Beck has played. Which again is a "how to lie/win with statistics" joke.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848270]It was a joke. I was mocking the people from two weeks ago who mocked me for suggesting that John Beck would be worth giving a look at QB. [B]I was purposely making a "how to lie with statistics" argument/joke. [/B]

And to further add I said Beck is 0-1 as a QB this year which in joking form I meant more specifically that we are 0-1 in games where Beck has played. Which again is a "how to lie/win with statistics" joke.[/quote]

You can't lie with statistics. 80% of studies have shown that only 55.6% of people can misrepresent statistics 19.6% of the time when the wind blows from the north at 13 mph on a full moon. So there.

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[quote=Lotus;848274]You can't lie with statistics. 80% of studies have shown that only 55.6% of people can misrepresent statistics 19.6% of the time when the wind blows from the north at 13 mph on a full moon. So there.[/quote]

Moron, it specifically states it's a SE wind during a crescent moon.

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Anyway, Hightower is better than Torain.

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[quote=diehard;848281]Anyway, Hightower is better than Torain.[/quote]

I'm still a member of the Royster clan. We still have slots available in case anyone is interested.

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[quote=Lotus;848274]You can't lie with statistics. 80% of studies have shown that only 55.6% of people can misrepresent statistics 19.6% of the time when the wind blows from the north at 13 mph on a full moon. So there.[/quote]

They can't even understand what a regression analysis is, much less t distributions, variance, and expected value.

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Not having TH hurt us, but no carries didn't help ATV

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[quote=diehard;848281]Anyway, Hightower is better than Torain.[/quote]

I agree.

Torain ran through holes that were huge against the Rams that either of the other two Backs would of done the same. Hightower healthy is better then Torain.

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[quote=Brody81;848139]U mean roll??? Anyway, if you think Rex should still be the starting QB after the last three games then i have to question your Football IQ. He is obviously not comfortable in this offense and his immobility is a complete hindrance to the offense. Beck at times was inaccurate but he did score the only TD today and he was able to move the ball.[/quote]

No I meant role, as in your role at The Warpath. Noob poster. Respect your forum elders. I never said Rex should still be the starting QB. I am saying Beck isn't that great of an alternative.

You wanna get punched in the face or kicked in the nuts? Neither is great, just like our QBs...

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[quote=hooskins;848372]No I meant role, as in your role at The Warpath. Noob poster. Respect your forum elders. I never said Rex should still be the starting QB. I am saying Beck isn't that great of an alternative.

You wanna get punched in the face or kicked in the nuts? [B]Neither is great, just like our QBs...[/B][/quote]

This.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;848209]The receiver play was terrible with Grossman and it was terrible with Beck. The only difference with Beck is that Terrence Austin got a shot and made a play.

Gaffney and Moss are inconsistent. But Stallworth is just bad.[/QUOTE]

Fo realz! We're going to blame the receivers when they drop TD passes from Beck, but not when they drop them, or bounce them off their chest for INTs, from Rex?

Oh well, I just want whoever is behind center to play well.