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If the Rams draft RGIII they are essentially 'giving up' on Bradford.
There is no way the asking price for a passed over QB is gonna be anywhere near 2 first round picks.

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[quote=Defensewins;881946]I smell desperation to get a QB. This talk of giving a ton to get a Qb is crazy.[/quote]

Depends on the QB. If you're giving up potential Orakpo, Williams, and Kerrigan for Blaine Gabbert then yes. If you're giving up those potential type players for Andrew Luck then you bet your ass it's worth it.

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Man, I hope Andrew Luck is as good as advertised.

I really could see this draft having a Leaf/Schuler effect going on. I know Luck is categorized as the next great QB, but how many times have we heard this kind of hype just to be let down. You never know with these kids.

I for one am not willing to part with all that it would take to get Luck.

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[quote=redskins5044;881924]the more i think about it, i wouldnt give up 2 1st round picks for him. he was a 1st round pick and if the rams want to get rid of him he loses some value IMO. i would give up this years 1st and next years 3rd or 4th round pick.[/quote]

And there in lies my point. IF Bradford was such a good QB or a franchise QB they would not be getting g rid of him after only a few yrs. There is no reason to give up 2 first RD picks, heck I don't think I would give up one first RD pick.

Now if the Rams are giving the Skins their #2 pick then yes I guess 2 first RD picks but not for Bradford. My fear is the team tosses in several waisted picks for Bradford who's not going to do much better then Grossman and still be the same old Bradford cause our OL is not any better then the Rams was.

I think the most obsurd statements by the media is its ok for the Skins to give up several picks to the Rams because the Rams have need of them and are "rebuilding". But apparently the Skins are not rebuilding like MS said the team was late in the season. I guess the Skins are all set player wise and don't need anything more then Bradford.

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[quote=30gut;881984]If the Rams draft RGIII they are essentially 'giving up' on Bradford.
There is no way the asking price for a passed over QB is gonna be anywhere near 2 first round picks.[/quote]

It's not really the traditional "giving up" situation when there are entirely new decision makers in place and they are in position to get the #2 QB in the current draft. All it's saying is that they prefer RG3 and picks over Bradford. if we get Bradford we are in the game...regardless of the cost.

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Well, Shefter just said when Manning is released, the Redskins will have "all their eggs in the Peyton Manning basket" and WILL pursue him. Apparently also looking at Matt Flynn and Kyle Orton, as well as possibly moving up to #2 in the draft.

SmootSmack?

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[quote=celts32;882090]It's not really the traditional "giving up" situation when there are entirely new decision makers in place and they are in position to get the #2 QB in the current draft. All it's saying is that they prefer RG3 and picks over Bradford. if we get Bradford we are in the game...regardless of the cost.[/quote]Teams don't ditch a potential franchise QB because they 'prefer' another QB.

When a franchise makes the decision that they 'prefer' another QB they are telling everyone that they don't believe the QB the had could become a franchise QB.
That is the ultimate de-valution.

You can label it however you like.
But if the Rams draft RGIII it is what it is.

All this is moot though, because I don't think the Rams are gonna draft RGIII.
And if they do I would be more then happy for the Allen/Shanahan to steal Bradford from them on the cheap.

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[quote=30gut;882095]Teams don't ditch a potential franchise QB because they 'prefer' another QB.

When a franchise makes the decision that they 'prefer' another QB they are telling everyone that they don't believe the QB the had could become a franchise QB.
That is the ultimate de-valution.

You can label it however you like.
But if the Rams draft RGIII it is what it is.

All this is moot though, because I don't think the Rams are gonna draft RGIII.
And if they do I would be more then happy for the Allen/Shanahan to steal Bradford from them on the cheap.[/quote]I agree with one notable exception: if they select RG3 with the intent to trade him to the highest bidder. Then it doesn't say anything about Bradford.

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[quote=GMScud;882091]Well, Shefter just said when Manning is released, the Redskins will have "all their eggs in the Peyton Manning basket" and WILL pursue him. Apparently also looking at Matt Flynn and Kyle Orton, as well as possibly moving up to #2 in the draft.

SmootSmack?[/quote]

Me? No, I've already told teams I'm only signing with the Ravens or Jets

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lol nice SS

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Well at least we have good idea of where you are going to be playing next year

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Told by 2 people close to Mannings that Peyton very likely to be a Redskin despite smokescreen being put of their by Skins to seek other QBs

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Signing Payton Manning if healthy give us a top 5 Qb and doesn't cost us any draft picks. If we do get Payton we will trade down and Id assume pick up Mike Adams and Michael Floyd or a quality corner. The emphasis will be on the offense this year.

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we will regret not getting RGIII

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[quote=tc2deuce;882122]we will regret not getting RGIII[/quote]

Heard the same thing in regards to Jimmy Clausen.

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[quote=NC_Skins;882124]Heard the same thing in regards to Jimmy Clausen.[/quote]

Also applicable to Andy Dalton.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;882120]Signing Payton Manning if healthy give us a top 5 Qb and doesn't cost us any draft picks. If we do get Payton we will trade down and Id assume pick up Mike Adams and Michael Floyd or a quality corner. The emphasis will be on the offense this year.[/quote]

Manning would, at best, be a 3 year solution. This strategy would require us to seucre an understudy for him this year.

Interesting, no other QB who has "learned" by being Manning's back-up has amounted to much.

I would prefer to pass on Manning and draft a highly talented rookie (RG3) or trade for a young stud (Bradford...if available).

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[quote=Alvin Walton;882128]Also applicable to Andy Dalton.[/quote]

Not really since he was pick right before our second round pick and that was what he was slated as. (2nd rounder) JC was slated to go high first round.

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I don't buy the argument that it's somehow Manning's fault no QBs have developed under him.

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I'll have more thoughts on Peyton later.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882147]I'll have more thoughts on Peyton later.[/quote]

Your old place of business and colleagues has mentioned Peyton and Skins together oodles of times in the past week. At first thought it was bs when the rumor first began, but now starting to think it might actually have some life behind it.

[QUOTE=Son Of Man;882136]Manning would, at best, be a 3 year solution. This strategy would require us to seucre an understudy for him this year.

Interesting, no other QB who has "learned" by being Manning's back-up has amounted to much.

I would prefer to pass on Manning and draft a highly talented rookie (RG3) or trade for a young stud (Bradford...if available).[/QUOTE]

I'm not buying that Manning backup argument either. Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter were never regarded as anything more than a "backup qb at best" option. That's not on Peyton.

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[quote=Chico23231;882149]Your old place of business and colleagues has mentioned Peyton and Skins together oodles of times in the past week. At first thought it was bs when the rumor first began, but now starting to think it might actually have some life behind it.[/quote]

It's been very mixed from what I've heard. Not being in the meetings anymore I don't hear the full stories. But from the people I've talked to, they don't appear as interested as is portrayed. for more info you'll have to attend Schneed's interpretive dance at the Guggenheim

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[quote=SmootSmack;882155]It's been very mixed from what I've heard. Not being in the meetings anymore I don't hear the full stories. But from the people I've talked to, they don't appear as interested as is portrayed. for more info you'll have to attend Schneed's interpretive dance at the Guggenheim[/quote]

Why attend the dance when you can just watch it on youtube?

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QB information is all over the place, Skins brass are doing a good job keeping their intentions all mixed up.

@granthpaulsen
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On #Redskins prospective QB front: From what I have heard, the #Redskins have legit interest in P. Manning and Orton but not in Matt Flynn.

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[quote=Higskin;882161]QB information is all over the place, Skins brass are doing a good job keeping their intentions all mixed up.

@granthpaulsen
Grant Paulsen
On #Redskins prospective QB front: From what I have heard, the #Redskins have legit interest in P. Manning and Orton but not in Matt Flynn.[/quote]

Mirrors what I've heard on Orton and Flynn. Have been hearing mixed on PM, but mostly that Mikes not a huge fan of the idea. Though I think Kyle is.

My opinion is go for it. I'll explain more in my acrylic painting

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[quote=Alvin Walton;882128]Also applicable to Andy Dalton.[/quote]


Well the problem is I don't remember anyone saying we'd regret not taking Dalton, but I was one fan in his corner saying we should draft him and got laughed at because he was supposed to only be camp fodder drafted in the 4th or 5th round.

I do think some people regret it now though. Hinde sight is 20/20 right.

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[quote=NC_Skins;882140]Not really since he was pick right before our second round pick and that was what he was slated as.[B] (2nd rounder)[/B] JC was slated to go high first round.[/quote]


I'm pretty sure about this time last year I got laughed at with people saying Dalton was no better then a 4th rounder or later. Yes after the combine his status did go up a little and people said he was not worth taking because he was no better then a 3rd rounder. Right before the draft after all the QB's got to sit with Gruden did his stock go up to being a 2nd rounder and even then some here failed to admit that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882163]Mirrors what I've heard on Orton and Flynn. Have been hearing mixed on PM, but mostly that Mikes not a huge fan of the idea. Though I think Kyle is.

My opinion is go for it. I'll explain more in my acrylic painting[/quote]

I like the smell of acrylic paint when I'm reading the Huffington Post. :)

JK.

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Dalton was always slated as a 2nd rounder. The senior bowl just sealed it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882163]Mirrors what I've heard on Orton and Flynn. Have been hearing mixed on PM, but mostly that Mikes not a huge fan of the idea. Though I think Kyle is.

My opinion is go for it. I'll explain more in my acrylic painting[/quote]

I need you to tell me that RGIII wilk be a Redskin. Tell me it's ok to go ahead and buy the jersey.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;882173]I need you to tell me that RGIII wilk be a Redskin. Tell me it's ok to go ahead and buy the jersey.[/quote]

Yes please do. It seems everytime I buy a jersey the team gets rid of them. Maybe if you get yours early the team will pass on him.

[QUOTE=British Andy;881689]Look guys, I appreciate that there are lots of its and buts here and the jury on whether he is fit is still out and there would be few guarantees anyway. But to go from Rex to Peyton is a huge upturn. And there are no knock on effects come the draft.

Manning....Bowe....Reiff....Foles/Weeden (Round 2). Add that to Helu, Davis, Hankerson etc.

Sudenly we don't look so bad on offense......[/QUOTE]

Where you from bud?

I'm living in darkest Norfolk:cool:

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As much as I'd love to keep our #6 overall pick, future picks, and players like orakpo and fill our qb need with signing manning, I can't think of any reason he would want to come here vs teams like Miami, Houston, and Arizona, and San Francisco. Those are all warm weather/stadium teams with much better talent on offense and defense AND coaching staffs who would let manning be manning.

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[quote=Glasgow Celtic;882178]Where you from bud?

I'm living in darkest Norfolk:cool:[/quote]

Over in Warwickshire. Still waiting for the Skins to come to Wembley before i one day get to DC....

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;882173]I need you to tell me that RGIII wilk be a Redskin. Tell me it's ok to go ahead and buy the jersey.[/quote]

LOL - If we pick up Manning or Flynn, I don't think we trade up for RGiii - he'll have to fall to #6.

Good news is we'll know before the draft. :silly:

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;882172]Dalton was always slated as a 2nd rounder. The senior bowl just sealed it.[/quote]

I couldn't help my self....

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/42140-dalton-called-4th-round-talent-yet.html[/URL]

[quote]That may be true, but avid game-tape watcher Greg Cosell of NFL Films doesn’t buy Dalton as more than a middle-round talent.[/quote]


[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/41036-if-we-take-qb-10-who.html[/URL]

Just to show I was in Dalton's corner from the jump, but I made a huge mistake... I didn't think he would be 1st round talent and figured we could get him in the 2nd round.

I've learned from my mistake which is why I'm saying "IF" Weeden is the guy the coaching staff is looking at to draft then don't wait and hope he's there in the 2nd round, take him at #6 and not have to worry about him getting picked up by someone else. and yes I'm lobbying for Weeden this year.

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PFT??? Really??

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What is matt moore's situation? If we want a veteran and rookie (like kirk cousins or any others that need time) he would be a good option. I mean he turned Miami around. He won them some games. I like him better than Orton.

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[quote=SBXVII;882184]I couldn't help my self....

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/42140-dalton-called-4th-round-talent-yet.html[/URL]




[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/41036-if-we-take-qb-10-who.html[/URL]

Just to show I was in Dalton's corner from the jump, but I made a huge mistake... I didn't think he would be 1st round talent and figured we could get him in the 2nd round.

I've learned from my mistake which is why I'm saying "IF" Weeden is the guy the coaching staff is looking at to draft then don't wait and hope he's there in the 2nd round, take him at #6 and not have to worry about him getting picked up by someone else. and yes I'm lobbying for Weeden this year.[/quote]

Looks like that guy Chico was in Dalton's corner from your second link, 2nd page...